Five kids killed in violent crash

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So, he had wealthy parents? This signature tells it all, indeed.

It is sad when irresponsible parents let their kids loose in high-powered cars because, from what I've seen here, they have the money, unless the kid 'borrowed' the car from one of his parents? I missed this detail before.

The car was registered in the driver's father's name. It could have been 'his' and the paperwork was in dad's name for insurance and/or banking reasons.

It was not a 550 or 750... it was a 2008 M5 SMG.

According to the following news site, the driver had received 4 tickets within the last 2 years. One for driving with a suspended license.

Scource: http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=news24

Given the facts known so far, it's hard to take a favorable view of the driver and his parents. That is, presuming of course that Ammirato was even behind the wheel... since 3 of them were ejected from the car.

I do feel for the parents though. A parent should never have to bury their own child.


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Which is something I did not gather from you posting the deceased owners forum signature.
 
Which is something I did not gather from you posting the deceased owners forum signature.
So of course, in the interest of better trolling, you decided to completely ignore my next post. That would be the one in which I clearly and simply explained my position.
 
So of course, in the interest of better trolling, you decided to completely ignore my next post. That would be the one in which I clearly and simply explained my position.

It's not trolling when you've replied to a thread numerous times already. Look I have cars in my signature, lots of people do. Just because you are proud of what you own, even if mom and dad bought it for you, doesn't make you a bad person. If I owned those cars I would probably show them like that too.

I know numerous people that had their parents buy them everything under the sun and they turned out just fine. As you said idiocy comes from all social classes and I would honestly think it would come more from lower rungs of society.
 
It was not a 550 or 750... it was a 2008 M5 SMG.

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I figured at first plus it was confirmed when I saw newer pictures that showed the mangled rear deck lid with the M5 badge. (plus it was $80,000)

BTW, I don't think any of those cars were his. At the least since he lied about the M5 and probably the Escalade (probably his mom's or something). But that's kinda off-topic.

My point of the post from M5Board was to show the irony... I guess.
 
I think what Duke is getting at is this guy is lying that these are his cars, when they are infact his fathers, if he is lying to show-off to his internet friends then don't be surprised if he is going to show-off to his friends in other situations such as belting down a airstrip in a 500BHP monster which is what appears to be the case here. So perhaps there is a link between this guys attitude as is apprent in his sig and the end result of his driving on the airstrip. Quite what the fully loaded means is pretty vague, it could be that his dads car is fully loaded with TV's in the back of the seats and with PS3's attached, it could be that the car has been de-restricted with extensive tuning. Either way it appears to be another example of him showing off. I would have thought it was quite obvious Joey.

On the flip side Perhaps this guy was infact driving fast but well within his driving capablilites but the unfortunate tyre blowout occured at the wrong time, it could happen to anyone the best drivers could be well within control then the unthinkable happens.

What gets me is why so many people have condemed this guy to death along with all the passengers, had they survived should they have been shot on site? Did they really deserve to die for this? Knocking some sense into them might be an idea, killing them isn't. I am glad they had the sense to do this on a private airstrip where it is 'safe' rather than tanking it down a highway amoung other traffic. What the real problem he is the fact that they had access to the car, fair enough if it was 'borrowed' then there isn't much the parents could do about although teaching this guy a bit of concequence may have been an idea if this was infact a 'borrowed' car. Unfortunately some people learn consequences the hard way, in this case the hardest way of all. I was fortunate enough to be taught by my parents if I do silly things I get a good old wack (luckily I hardly ever got one as a kid). Still to have them killed because of it, I really don't understand why people are glad.
 
On the flip side Perhaps this guy was infact driving fast but well within his driving capablilites but the unfortunate tyre blowout occured at the wrong time, it could happen to anyone the best drivers could be well within control then the unthinkable happens.

It's always a possibility but this guy has portrayed himself as being so arrogant and so sure of himself I can't help but think that he was over confident that he still had some road left to hit that next 3 or 4 mph to break 150.. or 160 or whatever than oops! No more runway and desperately tried to brake and in panic lost control and then the end result. But yes, it certainly is a possibility it was a blowout. But even if your going 120mph say and you're within the car's capabilities with the circumstances. You're still endangering yourself from mechanical failures that can happen like a blowout.
 
It's always a possibility but this guy has portrayed himself as being so arrogant and so sure of himself I can't help but think that he was over confident that he still had some road left to hit that next 3 or 4 mph to break 150.. or 160 or whatever than oops! No more runway and desperately tried to brake and in panic lost control and then the end result. But yes, it certainly is a possibility it was a blowout. But even if your going 120mph say and you're within the car's capabilities with the circumstances. You're still endangering yourself from mechanical failures that can happen like a blowout.

That is the point I think Duke was making but it was apprently lost on Joey, I think that is quite a likely explanation, although I gave the tyre blowout a mention because we don't no all the details and its easy to jump to conclusions, as many people did with the suspected drink driving which is probably the media's fault.

So yeh I am under the impression the driver was at fault but I am not going to go as far as calling him an idiot who deserves to die. I suspect so many people where outraged because they thought it was alcahol related.
 
My apologies, I missed the link to the forum, I only saw the signature line.
 
The M5Board is at a standstill: 43,000+ views on that one topic.

The parents are not at fault, but they should think twice before permitting a kid to drive a 500hp car. I know a teenager can get in trouble with 100 horses ***cough***, but don't fuel the fire; teenagers don't listen and will test limits.

That said, which licensed drivers on this board, or any other car forum, have never tested the limits of their automobile well past legal limits, or in truly dangerous conditions or in reckless ways? Some people pay the ultimate price, others get lucky, and live to tell stories.

About the best that can be said is that no other motorists were hurt by this display of stupidity, although he killed 4 of his friends in the process.

👍 though we don't even know for sure that it was his fault. It's possible that a friend in the back seat, sufficiently unimpressed, decided to cover the driver's eyes with his hands or something, or someone purposefully distracted him in some other way. People do things like that, and they rarely do it thinking it's going to kill them.

And yes, you're right. I can't claim never to have tested the limits of any of my automobiles. In part, I think it's better to learn what the limit is in a relatively safe environment rather than having to guess in an emergency. It's saved my bacon a couple of times when a hazard made it past my observational / anticipation first line of defence. This, though, of course, has nothing to do with a car's maximum velocity limit.
 
👍 though we don't even know for sure that it was his fault. It's possible that a friend in the back seat, sufficiently unimpressed, decided to cover the driver's eyes with his hands or something, or someone purposefully distracted him in some other way. People do things like that, and they rarely do it thinking it's going to kill them.

Interesting thought and entirely possible.
 
It's possible that a friend in the back seat, sufficiently unimpressed, decided to cover the driver's eyes with his hands or something, or someone purposefully distracted him in some other way. People do things like that, and they rarely do it thinking it's going to kill them.
That would be so stupid it would deserve a Darwin award! And it's almost too stupid to even be remotely conceivable... yet I've seen/almost been a victim of something not too dissimilar. My friend's own (older!) brother thought it was quite hilarious to jerk with the driver's seat (by twitching the thing that controls the angle of the seat) whilst his own brother was driving at 70 mph (*cough*) on a 🤬 motorway... (and I was in the passenger seat in the front) - I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't a) seen it with my own eyes and b) experienced it with my own sphincter...
 
This is very depressing. And, tragically, all too common.

I was a teen once, too. I survived those years, luckily, unscathed. As did all my friends. At times, like most teens, we were idiotic, careless and daring. We had a lot of fun. We did not harm anyone. And we had enough sense to look out for each other.

Dammit!!

I hope this terrible story will inspire a "buddy" system within your circle of friends, should you, or they, ever need a steady hand on the wheel.

It seems common sense is not so common anymore.
 
That would be so stupid it would deserve a Darwin award! And it's almost too stupid to even be remotely conceivable... yet I've seen/almost been a victim of something not too dissimilar. My friend's own (older!) brother thought it was quite hilarious to jerk with the driver's seat (by twitching the thing that controls the angle of the seat) whilst his own brother was driving at 70 mph (*cough*) on a 🤬 motorway... (and I was in the passenger seat in the front) - I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't a) seen it with my own eyes and b) experienced it with my own sphincter...

Yup. Lots of passengers will grab the handrail or door handle to brace themselves when cornering, especially if the driver is cornering with enthusiasm. When I was younger, I had an occasional passenger who had this habit, except she wouldn't grab the handrail, she'd grab the handbrake :scared:. She didn't ever actually pull it but all we needed to do was hit a bump or something that made her engage the handbrake by accident and we'd have been hedgeseekers.

Another friend once opened the back door open while we were moving and pretended he was about to jump out. That was distracting. If I'd looked at him, then looked forward again and been surprised by something jumping out of a side street, and then instinctively swerved in in the right direction, he really would have been ejected. As it was there was no such emergency. I told him to close the door behind him on his way out, we all had a good laugh, and drove home.

I've seen a girl passenger who used to like popping the car out of gear, while cruising, just to annoy the driver.

And it doesn't even have to be a prank gone wrong. Innocent things can get you.

A passenger in the back seat, not wearing a seatbelt, or even an unsecured pet, stands a very high chance of killing a front seat occupant in the event of a frontal collision at legal speeds, by either pushing their chair forwards and crushing them against their own seatbelt, or delivering a blow to the head as they fly past en route to the windscreen. It happens a LOT. How many drivers here are happy to drive when the passenger sitting behind them is unsecured?

How many of you, when packing a boot, ensure that stiff objects like poles or struts or whatever are not aligned in such a way that they will puncture the rear seat and skewer a rear seat passenger if you get rear ended? How many of you keep loose stuff in your car that turns into missiles should you roll?

Even those trying to be safe can put you and themselves in danger. Someone saying to something like "watch out for that truck" or some other arb warning will easily distract you from whatever it is that you were paying attention to, and waste time while you try and figure out the specifics of their warning. What truck? I can see three. And all of them are threatening. Oops! That van I was originally watching pulled out in front of me while I was looking at trucks. Bump.

It's easy from here to say that the driver (or someone else in the car) had been terminally stupid, but had we actually been there, it might not have seemed so stupid until something unexpected went wrong. On the other hand, we could of course had been standing there thinking "that's a stupid idea. They're going to kill themselves."

It's usually the thing you don't expect that catches you out. Not the event itself, but an unpredicted side effect.
 
Well said.

I couldnt care less. Drunk or not, those type of dumasses deserve to die anyway.

Thats what annoys me about statements such of these.

I haven't been driving long at all, but there was one incident when a waterbottle of the passenger behind me rolled under my seat, and under the brake pedal :scared: as a result I found myself unable to stop for a roundabout and procceded to roll straight out into the junction, had there been cars not paying attention it would have ended in a rather nasty incident. As a result people would have probably thought: oh its just some idiot who doesn't think he has to slow down for junctions.

The same applys here, he was certainly driving very fast but that doesn't mean he was driving out of control, the unthinkable may have happened, just like me at the roundabout, I wasn't approaching the roundabout way to fast, but the unthinkable happened.

I would however speculate that this was infact a case of showing-off going wrong but I certainly am in no position to say its all his fault and that he deserves to die.
 
I figured at first plus it was confirmed when I saw newer pictures that showed the mangled rear deck lid with the M5 badge. (plus it was $80,000)

BTW, I don't think any of those cars were his. At the least since he lied about the M5 and probably the Escalade (probably his mom's or something). But that's kinda off-topic.

My point of the post from M5Board was to show the irony... I guess.

You can see stock OE E60 M5 wheels and sport seats from the early videos. But only real diehard BMW enthusiasts would recognize them. Though most of them would probably be in too much shock to make an immediate spot.

Even though I agree the deceased was probably stretching the truth about owning all those cars, I will say it is common for parents to purchase and register a car in their own name for their children to use. It makes financing or leasing easier, since most 18 year olds have no credit history. It also may reduce insurance rates if the kids are on the policy as secondary drivers.

My first car was registered under my father's name. But it was effectively mine, since my parents never drove it. Not that a 1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera was anything to brag about owning.

I'm not trying to justify any claim he made though: the M5 was registered in his father's name and therefore wasn't legally his.


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Well, drinking has been effectively removed from the cause of the accident, but I still feel the need to address some of this.

it amazes me how people can be so RETARDED people wonder why i DO NOT DRINK

Why drink in the first place?

Am I happy I don't drink ANY alcohol, AT ALL, I'll stick with my soda :p

I'm still figuring out what drinking is good for. I mean yeah, so you can use it for an excuse to be a dumbass or become an alcoholic. Kinda sad sometime when a bunch of people NEED to be drunk to be doing a group thing. Anyway, they aren't paths I want to go down.

I don't drink much, and I used to be of the same opinion as those above, that drinking was pretty much evil and if you did it you were a bad person. One thing that a lot of young people aren't familiar with is the concept of stress. The first time I really grasped the concept of a useful swig of alcohol was the night before an important final exam. I knew that I needed to get some sleep, but I was also insanely nervous. I took a few shots to help me calm down and get to sleep - and it worked like a charm.

Since then, I've realized that alcohol is actually quite useful for relaxing - and sometimes it's difficult to force yourself to relax in situations where you really need to... especially in situations where you really need to.

This is why alcohol is an adults-only substance. You need a lot of maturity to understand it and use it properly.
 
I've turned down many good times (and good drinks) just to stay sober on my drive home. It means one less drunk driver on the road, even if it would have been myself.

Drive responsibly, mates.
 
You can see stock OE E60 M5 wheels and sport seats from the early videos. But only real diehard BMW enthusiasts would recognize them. Though most of them would probably be in too much shock to make an immediate spot.
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I noticed those wheels and the trademark dual exhaust or part of it anyway. But I don't want to make a claim I wasn't sure of.
 
One thing that a lot of young people aren't familiar with is the concept of stress. The first time I really grasped the concept of a useful swig of alcohol was the night before an important final exam. I knew that I needed to get some sleep, but I was also insanely nervous. I took a few shots to help me calm down and get to sleep - and it worked like a charm.

Since then, I've realized that alcohol is actually quite useful for relaxing - and sometimes it's difficult to force yourself to relax in situations where you really need to... especially in situations where you really need to.

This is why alcohol is an adults-only substance. You need a lot of maturity to understand it and use it properly.

I understood that even before by seeing how adults use it and well to be honest, are those adults really adults if they let it get out of hand? I precisely don't do alcohol outside of when I'm with friends because I don't want to do or think precisely what you are doing. Yeah, so it's cool that it works for you but just like any other drug you will.. well you might become addicted to it and then need it just to live life. I don't want to go down that path and I my wallet certainly doesn't either.
 
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...I know numerous people that had their parents buy them everything under the sun and they turned out just fine. As you said idiocy comes from all social classes and I would honestly think it would come more from lower rungs of society.


Hmm... That's funny, almost everyone I know who gets everything they want from their parents, drink, smoke, and have terrible grades and are on their way to dropping out of school. Only a select few of them are actual friends that I can trust, and don't do drugs.
 
I understood that even before by seeing how adults use it and well to be honest, are those adults really adults if they let it get out of hand? I precisely don't do alcohol outside of when I'm with friends because I don't want to do or think precisely what you are doing. Yeah, so it's cool that it works for you but just like any other drug you will.. well you might become addicted to it and then need it just to live life. I don't want to go down that path and I my wallet certainly doesn't either.

If it's something you're dealing with long term, you should change your lifestyle rather than relying on a drug to help cover it. But if you try to prevent yourself from ever getting into a situation where you end up a nervous wreck then you're missing out on part of life. You need to push yourself occasionally to really know who you are. Some stress is healthy, and it's also healthy to blow off steam. I have no problem with people using alcohol to help facilitate that.
 
This is why alcohol is an adults-only substance. You need a lot of maturity to understand it and use it properly.
And if anyone figures it out, can they let me know please? :p
 
If it's something you're dealing with long term, you should change your lifestyle rather than relying on a drug to help cover it. But if you try to prevent yourself from ever getting into a situation where you end up a nervous wreck then you're missing out on part of life. You need to push yourself occasionally to really know who you are. Some stress is healthy, and it's also healthy to blow off steam. I have no problem with people using alcohol to help facilitate that.

I have a lot of better alternatives to drinking or drugs.. i.e. Videogames or drawing cars or blowing my ears out to metal. I never did get why people "throw themselves in front of a bus" and knowingly compound their problems.
 
But blowing your ears off could possibly bar you from driving in the first place, in addition to a lot of other things, however I get your point. It isn't fatal, yet all the same, it could cause such an accident (the lack if hearing, I mean).

*listens to what Blackbird has to say* Right! *scrambles amidst paperwork*
 
Not to kill the debate but this topic is about the crash not the responsibilities of drinking. (Actually yeah I am trying to kill the debate)
 

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