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[rosckolove]

"That guy" Answered your question, while also explaining to you WHY people kick people from other countries in great detail

I'm happy for you that you have good internet and have no issue connecting to people from far away - But other Americans frequently do have issues and definitely cause them.
That's why it's easier for people to just kick instantly rather than risk it.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Stop taking it personally.

Once again, I answered you. So don't get snarky as if all I did was tell you why you're getting kicked. You can only change your flag by setting your residence elsewhere.

Apparently this is hard to grasp....

I already know why people insta kick, why are you under the impression that I was asking why people kick? (just ask yourself don't bother actually replying)

No one is taking anything personal.. I'm simply interested in making it easier to find a good room. Not having a reason to get kicked makes finding a good room easier.

Now I've said it once... Must I say it again?

The topic at hand wasn't clear?

 

[carracerptp]

I have also looked for how some don't have a flag. Never found anything.

 

[seanneedscar]

Perhaps you should change your room entry greeting to "I voted for Obama" and maybe then, you wont have such a problem getting kicked by foreigners

 

[Veyron Tony]

I`m not sure if the country of origin is really the factor as far as lagging goes.
Most ppl never clean their cache and when they enter a room it affects game play.
It could also be that the server isn`t adequate for the amount of users.
But I have experienced being kicked and attacked, based on what I would have to say was simply the flag over my car, all other factors being equal, like car allowed and driver attitude.

 

[Veyron Tony]

Perhaps you should change your room entry greeting to "I voted for Obama" and maybe then, you wont have such a problem getting kicked by foreigners

Well there goes this conversation...

 

[ChOs3n]

It is a shame some people are predjudice to other nationality's we are all on the same planet and all human.

If you ever see a room hosted by me join you will be welcomed happy new year all

 

[Aquarelle]

Apparently this is hard to grasp....

I already know why people insta kick, why are you under the impression that I was asking why people kick? (just ask yourself don't bother actually replying)

No one is taking anything personal.. I'm simply interested in making it easier to find a good room. Not having a reason to get kicked makes finding a good room easier.

Now I've said it once... Must I say it again?

The topic at hand wasn't clear?

I already answered you. SO YES THE TOPIC AT HAND WAS PLENTY CLEAR I was simply giving you additional information that your responses plainly ignored.

It is a shame some people are predjudice to other nationality's we are all on the same planet and all human.

If you ever see a room hosted by me join you will be welcomed happy new year all

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I can always count on this thread for a good laugh.

 

[Veyron Tony]

It is a shame some people are predjudice to other nationality's we are all on the same planet and all human.

If you ever see a room hosted by me join you will be welcomed happy new year all

Yeah, we (humans) don`t have a natural enemy, so we hate on one another, and it goes deep into the gene pool...
That`s pretty much the best argument for removing the flags altogether.

 

[rosckolove]

I already answered you. SO YES THE TOPIC AT HAND WAS PLENTY CLEAR I was simply giving you additional information that your responses plainly ignored.

Maybe they are getting ignored for a reason. This is about how to change the flag.. everything else is babble..

 

[Aquarelle]

Maybe they are getting ignored for a reason. This is about how to change the flag.. everything else is babble..

Ah, well now I get precisely why you get kicked.

 

[bs13]

1. If it was possible to make your flag disappear wouldn't you see it more often?

2. If it was possible and everybody was doing it wouldn't the bug be patched?

3. If you were hosting a room would you be more likely to kick a person for having a certain flag or for having no flag at all? Wouldn't you suspect the person with no flag as having a hacked PS3 or being a cheater? Or didn't you think of that as a possible consequence?

4. Create a 2nd fake account, use a fake Trinidad and Tobago address (google for one), go into a lobby and see if you have a flag. If it works then you have your answer. Just don't be surprised if you get kicked for not having a flag.

5. Until you're willing to accept that you can't make your US flag disappear or compromise and try suggestion #4 this thread is going nowhere.

 

[rosckolove]

Ah, well now I get precisely why you get kicked.

You don't "get" anything. Its like we are having a conversation about dogs and you keep bringing up fish...???

1. If it was possible to make your flag disappear wouldn't you see it more often?

2. If it was possible and everybody was doing it wouldn't the bug be patched?

3. If you were hosting a room would you be more likely to kick a person for having a certain flag or for having no flag at all? Wouldn't you suspect the person with no flag as having a hacked PS3 or being a cheater? Or didn't you think of that as a possible consequence?

4. Create a 2nd fake account, use a fake Trinidad and Tobago address (google for one), go into a lobby and see if you have a flag. If it works then you have your answer. Just don't be surprised if you get kicked for not having a flag.

5. Until you're willing to accept that you can't make your US flag disappear or compromise and try suggestion #4 this thread is going nowhere

Both of you should ignore this thread....

i'm not trying to come off as an a 🤬. But I just figured I would ask the people of GTP if they knew how to accomplish this. You guys obviously don't know how and are literally just giving me a hard time.

If I made a Trinidad account, everything would be in a different language right?

 

[Famine]

You don't "get" anything. Its like we are having a conversation about dogs and you keep bringing up fish...???

Both of you should ignore this thread....

Be worth you paying attention to what they said.

The first and second points listed above are true - you can't change your flag (you may be able to by changing the country in which your PSN account is registered, I haven't looked into it - it'd be a PITA to do though). The fourth is also true - if you start a new PSN account and register it to a country for which PSN has no national flag (like Trinidad and Tobago), no flag will be displayed.

But the why of it remains. If you're being kicked because you're an American, displaying no flag will only fix it until you open your mouth. If you're being kicked because people don't want to take the chance of having a single Transatlantic connection dragging the lobby down, it won't help you find better lobbies - and it will stop other people finding them because no-one has any idea where you are and can't prevent you from joining.

 

[rosckolove]

Be worth you paying attention to what they said.

The first and second points listed above are true - you can't change your flag (you may be able to by changing the country in which your PSN account is registered, I haven't looked into it - it'd be a PITA to do though). The fourth is also true - if you start a new PSN account and register it to a country for which PSN has no national flag (like Trinidad and Tobago), no flag will be displayed.

But the why of it remains. If you're being kicked because you're an American, displaying no flag will only fix it until you open your mouth. If you're being kicked because people don't want to take the chance of having a single Transatlantic connection dragging the lobby down, it won't help you find better lobbies - and it will stop other people finding them because no-one has any idea where you are and can't prevent you from joining.

My only goal is to get into a server, that I would usually get kicked from. I ONLY want to do this because sometimes, rooms with a good spec are scarce.

I know if I spoke it would never work. I know if I WAS lagging it wouldn't work. But if I am not lagging, and I don't speak. I get to stay in the only freakin room open that has decent regulations set up.

 

[Famine]

If they keep kicking you from it, either you are lagging (if they're European, you are - there's no question about it) or they are not people you want to be anywhere near.

 

[rosckolove]

If they keep kicking you from it, either you are lagging (if they're European, you are - there's no question about it) or they are not people you want to be anywhere near.

I am only referring to getting insta kicked for having an american flag. I could have 4-5 bar connection while joining, and load up really fast. Its just the insta kick I am trying to avoid.

I race UK guys all the time. Sometimes in full rooms. I often get no complaints of lag after specifically asking them.

 

[mistersafeway]

As long as you don't mind having a new save, making a Canadian account would be a good bet as you'd be from the same general area for connection as far as people were aware (meaning you could tell if it was fear of lag or prejudice more easily). Also, Canadians do generally have a better online reputation for whatever reason.

 

[rosckolove]

As long as you don't mind having a new save, making a Canadian account would be a good bet as you'd be from the same general area for connection as far as people were aware. Also, Canadians do generally have a better online reputation for whatever reason.

Good Idea. Thank you.

 

[Famine]

I could have 4-5 bar connection while joining, and load up really fast.

The strength of your connection is irrelevant, I'm afraid.

I race UK guys all the time. Sometimes in full rooms. I often get no complaints of lag after specifically asking them.

That's because it's peer-to-peer. The entire chain is the strength of the weakest link. You may have 10-20ms of latency to your local exchange, but you're not sending information to your local exchange - you're sending it to Europe.

Let's talk about the speed of light. Any information you send is limited to it (it's a rule of the universe) and commonly doesn't get near that due to processing times.

You say you're "East Coast USA", so let's be kind and assume you're in New Jersey, where the transatlantic cables arrive/leave the USA. Let's be also kind and assume that the people you're playing all sit on top of the exchange in Katwijk in the Netherlands. We can assume the cable is laid on the great circle between the two points, because it is.

It's 3,630 miles from Jersey City to Katwijk. Your information has to go down it (and back). It takes a few tenths of a millisecond at each end to get information from computer to exchange (and back), which we can ignore. 3,630 miles at 99% the speed of light is 51ms.

So now we have information from you being sent across the Atlantic to eleven guys in Katwijk. Their consoles see you where you were 0.05s ago and you see every one of them where they were 0.05s ago. Fun fact - your HD display refreshes every 0.01s, so you're five screens old and so are they. And because it's peer-to-peer, they're all five screens old to each other. At 100mph, those five screens are seven feet - you're seven feet away from where they think you are, and they're seven feet away from where you think you are.

Now we drop you out of the network. They're running through a local switch atop the exchange. They have a latency of 1ms to each other - 0.001s (1.8 inches) - and what they see on their screens is live, without the American dragging them down. They don't know it when you're in there, but they'll sure notice it when you leave.

Can you see that you're lagging and harming their lobby simply due to geography and physics? And that's optimised - the reality of it is you're running much nearer to 100ms (0.1s, ten screens, fifteen feet) of latency and if you're West coast you can forget it.


And you don't have to believe me either, even though I've taken time to explain it. Go to Pingtest.net. Don't select your local server - pick Manchester in the UK. If it's much less than 120ms with a 10ms jitter, I'll be surprised. That's your latency to Europe. At best.

 

[rosckolove]

I tested it to Newbury multiple times. (Couldn't find Manchester)

Best Ping 98 jitter 1

Worst Ping 101 jitter 1

while multiple people are playing online poker here. Either way I am not trying to prove anything here..

I can get into a room and not have any issues. That is the only reason I wanted to learn how to remove the flag, So I had more options on rooms to join.

P.S. thanks for the lesson, no pun intended.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

The strength of your connection is irrelevant, I'm afraid.That's because it's peer-to-peer. The entire chain is the strength of the weakest link. You may have 10-20ms of latency to your local exchange, but you're not sending information to your local exchange - you're sending it to Europe.

Let's talk about the speed of light. Any information you send is limited to it (it's a rule of the universe) and commonly doesn't get near that due to processing times.

You say you're "East Coast USA", so let's be kind and assume you're in New Jersey, where the transatlantic cables arrive/leave the USA. Let's be also kind and assume that the people you're playing all sit on top of the exchange in Katwijk in the Netherlands. We can assume the cable is laid on the great circle between the two points, because it is.

It's 3,630 miles from Jersey City to Katwijk. Your information has to go down it (and back). It takes a few tenths of a millisecond at each end to get information from computer to exchange (and back), which we can ignore. 3,630 miles at 99% the speed of light is 51ms.

So now we have information from you being sent across the Atlantic to eleven guys in Katwijk. Their consoles see you where you were 0.05s ago and you see every one of them where they were 0.05s ago. Fun fact - your HD display refreshes every 0.01s, so you're five screens old and so are they. And because it's peer-to-peer, they're all five screens old to each other. At 100mph, those five screens are seven feet - you're seven feet away from where they think you are, and they're seven feet away from where you think you are.

Now we drop you out of the network. They're running through a local switch atop the exchange. They have a latency of 1ms to each other - 0.001s (1.8 inches) - and what they see on their screens is live, without the American dragging them down. They don't know it when you're in there, but they'll sure notice it when you leave.

Can you see that you're lagging and harming their lobby simply due to geography and physics? And that's optimised - the reality of it is you're running much nearer to 100ms (0.1s, ten screens, fifteen feet) of latency and if you're West coast you can forget it.


And you don't have to believe me either, even though I've taken time to explain it. Go to Pingtest.net. Don't select your local server - pick Manchester in the UK. If it's much less than 120ms with a 10ms jitter, I'll be surprised. That's your latency to Europe. At best.

Wow, thanks for explaining all that Famine. I've often wondered about all this and you have just made it plain as day to understand. I have just learned alot from your simple write up. Thanks for taking the time to explain it out like that. Really appreciated.

 

[Aquarelle]

The strength of your connection is irrelevant, I'm afraid.

Thank you for elaborating, this thread has been driving me to insanity..

Good Idea. Thank you.

Are you kidding me? I told you that you could do this already and you completely ignored me, in favour of abusing me for giving you additional information as to why what happens to you happens.

EDIT: I'll also add - If your problem is the fact rooms you come across don't have the regulations you're after, why don't you just make a room yourself. Alternatively, go and check out the Online Events sub forum and find yourself a league based in America, where you wont be impeding other peoples enjoyment with latency.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Going back a little in the discussion, about faking a Canadian account because of reputation. Although I suppose that's sorta true (and I don't mean anything bad by that), I do associate Canadian connections as some of the laggiest that I come across. I don't think I've ever raced a Canadian on any racing game without lag destroying the experience several times. My experience with US connections is always rock solid, no matter whether it's from the North, South, East or West area of the country.

 

[rosckolove]

Thank you for elaborating, this thread has been driving me to insanity..



Are you kidding me? I told you that you could do this already and you completely ignored me, in favour of abusing me for giving you additional information as to why what happens to you happens.

EDIT: I'll also add - If your problem is the fact rooms you come across don't have the regulations you're after, why don't you just make a room yourself. Alternatively, go and check out the Online Events sub forum and find yourself a league based in America, where you wont be impeding other peoples enjoyment with latency.

Dude... he answered the question, he isn't going around stating obvious things like people are stupid and can't figure it out on their own. You think I'm getting kicked and taking it personally, and continuously act like I'm a tard and don't understand that it MAY not be discrimination, but indeed a product of internet latency. I already know both, and neither of them have anything to do with removing the flag.

And just changing the flag isn't as ideal as completely removing it. It is ideal because late at night, when there are hardly any rooms up, the good ones are usually hosted overseas. Late at night, GTP online events forum won't help me find a race that late. Starting your own room sometimes takes hours to fill up if you are running a certain spec. I just want to hop into a nice sized grid.

So if I remove the flag I can generally solve this problem. And it will be easier to find a good full room.

My bad if I seemed a little ignorant.. this thread is also frustrating me.

Can someone answer this. Is it possible to make a Japanese account but still have everything In English?

 

[Aquarelle]

Can someone answer this. Is it possible to make a Japanese account but still have everything In English?

Since you're constantly complaining about me trying to help, I'll just get straight to the point.

No, the moment you change "Country of residence" it changes everything to Japanese. You can't change the language back again in the Language list.

EDIT: Okay, I know I said I'd stop there but;

Late at night, GTP online events forum won't help me find a race that late.

I'm sure with a community this big you've got to be in with a chance to find a group of people that race late at night, I'm with a GT300/500 group that races from 10 pm till about 4 am and they're from Australia/New Zealand just like me.

 

[rosckolove]

Since you're constantly complaining about me trying to help, I'll just get straight to the point.

No, the moment you change "Country of residence" it changes everything to Japanese. You can't change the language back again in the Language list.

EDIT: Okay, I know I said I'd stop there but;



I'm sure with a community this big you've got to be in with a chance to find a group of people that race late at night, I'm with a GT300/500 group that races from 10 pm till about 4 am and they're from Australia/New Zealand just like me.

lol... lets just relax. thanks for the replies. gt500? perfect, do you kick americans because we lag?

 

[MichoRexo]

Ummm... I've been racing with Auzies for the past few weeks on C.R.A.P. No lag at all while I trail in their wake only a few feet from their bumpers. PS: Time Warner Cable sucks...

 

[mistersafeway]

Removing the flag entirely sounds good on paper, but I've thought of an issue; the only countries I'm aware of that don't have flags are Trinidad and Tobago, somewhere in eastern Europe (former USSR country I think, the language was reminiscent of Polish) and possibly somewhere in the middle east. None of those regions have a great Internet infrastructure, hence the missing flags. Any host who wants to avoid lag would probably kick anyone without a flag as readily as they'd kick anybody who displays an "undesirable" nationality.

 

[iainoflo85]

Removing the flag entirely sounds good on paper, but I've thought of an issue; the only countries I'm aware of that don't have flags are Trinidad and Tobago, somewhere in eastern Europe (former USSR country I think, the language was reminiscent of Polish) and possibly somewhere in the middle east. None of those regions have a great Internet infrastructure, hence the missing flags. Any host who wants to avoid lag would probably kick anyone without a flag as readily as they'd kick anybody who displays an "undesirable" nationality.

This is my opinion. Having no flag would still get you kicked as having your own flag.