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Just to be sure, we could do what MULE does to set up the grid. We qualify on free run and we write down our positions. Then we reset the track, we join the track and we lineup according to our Qualifying spots. Then we just start the race.
 
dsgerbc
You will if everyone else is also in the pits, not on track.
That's how it worked 99% of the time in Brandon's series. Anyway - if you don't be believe me/Brandon - this is something for you guys to test.
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It's worked fine before, now it doesn't. So either we figure out what's wrong (which we probably won't) or we just switch to the old method.
 
CSLACR
15 minutes, to my knowledge.
Shame you got in late, I'm sure you've seen restarting and/or waiting only seems to compound these issues though, glad you got in the race, we actually had very good luck with DC's tonight, only having 1. Especially considering people couldn't even all enter the first room.
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Thanks. It all worked out I guess for me, sadly not others.
 
R1600Turbo
Ah, but that does make a difference. Say if I got P1 and came into the pits, once I select OK on the tires/fuel, I press pause and let the game pull me into my pit stall and let it sit there. If I do this, then I should stay P1 unless someone beats my time.

Now, if I pressed pause and hit the exit button, yes it would put me in my pit stall, but it would also exit me from the track. (if thats understandable) That could possibly be what is messing up the grid.
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You will always stay P1. If you set fast time and go back to the lounge to watch everyone else qualify, as long as nobody beats your time you will start P1, providing that you've called everybody back to the pits before you start the race. If you have people out on the track (running or parked) when the race starts then you risk having a screwed up grid.

If you wanna test this, have everyone go to the pits (except the host) after qualifying and stay there. Have the host go to the live timing monitor, look at everyone's times and record what the starting order should be (based on fastest laps, not the order they appear in the timing monitor list). Start the race (everyone stays in the pits during countdown) and see if the order matches what the timing monitor showed. Of course it won't show the hosts time since he's not on track so he'll have to make a mental note and slot himself accordingly, but the game will line him up correctly.

Do you use the auto start timer? That could be part of your problem.

CSLACR
I've never once seen that, ever. Certainly not exiting to the lounge.
The best lap will stay on the board, but you won't start there anymore.
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Well we've seen it happen 3 times a week for the past 6 months now so it's very possible and easy to accomplish. 👍
 
StigsHero
You will always stay P1. If you set fast time and go back to the lounge to watch everyone else qualify, as long as nobody beats your time you will start P1, providing that you've called everybody back to the pits before you start the race. If you have people out on the track (running or parked) when the race starts then you risk having a screwed up grid.

If you wanna test this, have everyone go to the pits (except the host) after qualifying and stay there. Have the host go to the live timing monitor, look at everyone's times and record what the starting order should be (based on fastest laps, not the order they appear in the timing monitor list). Start the race (everyone stays in the pits during countdown) and see if the order matches what the timing monitor showed. Of course it won't show the hosts time since he's not on track so he'll have to make a mental note and slot himself accordingly, but the game will line him up correctly.

Do you use the auto start timer? That could be part of your problem.
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Auto start is used, but how does that affect anything? We can just remove it easily, all it's required is for the host to keep track of the time and when the limit is reached, start the race.
 
gravydavy35
i have a problem with this kind if ishh.You make a move on the track you live with it.Racers take each other out all the time in real life this is no diffrent.Everyone trys to race clean but last lap last corner 2nd place expect it lol.See you in the pits.
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No. Because we're all human, we all make mistakes. Mistakes are fine, but eventually it gets carried away and everything is "just a mistake".
This is why it is honorable of Minion to hand Spyhunter the win here, I watched what happened, I can't tell what was intentional or what was a mistake, but I do know if that type of passing technique is let go when it's called a mistake, people will start "messing up" far to often.

To explain, he went dirty/wide right in the last left hand high speed turn, (completely off usable track by rules), then again went completely off track into the grass on the right after coming back on the track, trying to get inside, problem was, Spyhunter was to smart to give up the inside, so Minion ended up 4 wheels in grass, which lead to him sliding (damn real grip :lol: ) deep into the chicane, which knocked Spyhunter possibly off the track in the chicane.
I know Minion to be a completely clean racer, so I know he wasn't trying to make a dirty move, but accidental or not, he made one of the dirtiest passes I've seen in a series. Him bowing the win out to Spyhunter just shows that he is a clean driver, saw his error, and did what was right, to which I say Bravo. 👍

NEPALII
Just to be sure, we could do what MULE does to set up the grid. We qualify on free run and we write down our positions. Then we reset the track, we join the track and we lineup according to our Qualifying spots. Then we just start the race.
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That could definitely work. I just like the simplicity of the current method.
If we can make it work by not entering pits or leaving track, it seems like a win/win to me.

R1600Turbo
It's worked fine before, now it doesn't. So either we figure out what's wrong (which we probably won't) or we just switch to the old method.
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I think the no pit/no leave track will work. I really, really do. Of course testing will continue, but I have utmost faith in it atm.
 
StigsHero
You will always stay P1. If you set fast time and go back to the lounge to watch everyone else qualify, as long as nobody beats your time you will start P1, providing that you've called everybody back to the pits before you start the race. If you have people out on the track (running or parked) when the race starts then you risk having a screwed up grid.

If you wanna test this, have everyone go to the pits (except the host) after qualifying and stay there. Have the host go to the live timing monitor, look at everyone's times and record what the starting order should be (based on fastest laps, not the order they appear in the timing monitor list). Start the race (everyone stays in the pits during countdown) and see if the order matches what the timing monitor showed. Of course it won't show the hosts time since he's not on track so he'll have to make a mental note and slot himself accordingly, but the game will line him up correctly.

Do you use the auto start timer? That could be part of your problem.




Well we've seen it happen 3 times a week for the past 6 months now so it's very possible and easy to accomplish. 👍
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Perhaps the trick is for everyone to exit the track by entering the pits then.

I guess it's up to Turbo if he wants to try it tonight or not, from what I've seen, the no-pit method is solid, so either should work then.
Of course, testing will still commence this week. :D
 
gravydavy35
i have a problem with this kind if ishh.You make a move on the track you live with it.Racers take each other out all the time in real life this is no diffrent.Everyone trys to race clean but last lap last corner 2nd place expect it lol.See you in the pits.
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Yeah, i got your point.
I just wanted to make clear that if i have to be punished and be placed in 2nd, i'm ok with it.

Also, i wanna point out the critical moment of the race for me, Red and Spy. In my opinion, was in lap 11, when you guys were comming of the pits.

We had a 3 man battle for a few laps, then i pited on lap 10 and saw Spy comming out of the pit in front of me, and Red just after me. If i had chosen to pass Spy instead of bumping him, i think we would have had a 3 man war for the 1st place at the final lap, instead of a 2 man war.
 
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NEPALII
Auto start is used, but how does that affect anything? We can just remove it easily, all it's required is for the host to keep track of the time and when the limit is reached, start the race.
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Because that means people are at random places on the track when the race starts which screws up the starting order. If you want your grids to be accurate I think all you need to do is call everyone to the pits before you start the race. I have a timer by my side during qualifying and let the room know when their session has ended and call them back to the pits. Everyone stays in the pits during the countdown and the person with the fastest time starts on pole. If somebody were to go out and start a new flying lap (not warm up lap) then as soon as they tripped the timing line (timer started counting) they would be put on pole because the game will now consider that driver to be physically ahead of everyone in the pits. But as long as everyone is in the pits they will be started by their lap times.
 
CSLACR
I think the no pit/no leave track will work. I really, really do. Of course testing will continue, but I have utmost faith in it atm.
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The only problem with this - making sure that the grid is alright requires a steward that's not racing. Brandon's method doesn't. MULE's one doesn't either.
 
CSLACR
No. Because we're all human, we all make mistakes. Mistakes are fine, but eventually it gets carried away and everything is "just a mistake".
This is why it is honorable of Minion to hand Spyhunter the win here, I watched what happened, I can't tell what was intentional or what was a mistake, but I do know if that type of passing technique is let go when it's called a mistake, people will start "messing up" far to often.

To explain, he went dirty/wide right in the last left hand high speed turn, (completely off usable track by rules), then again went completely off track into the grass on the right after coming back on the track, trying to get inside, problem was, Spyhunter was to smart to give up the inside, so Minion ended up 4 wheels in grass, which lead to him sliding (damn real grip :lol: ) deep into the chicane, which knocked Spyhunter possibly off the track in the chicane.
I know Minion to be a completely clean racer, so I know he wasn't trying to make a dirty move, but accidental or not, he made one of the dirtiest passes I've seen in a series. Him bowing the win out to Spyhunter just shows that he is a clean driver, saw his error, and did what was right, to which I say Bravo. 👍

That could definitely work. I just like the simplicity of the current method.
If we can make it work by not entering pits or leaving track, it seems like a win/win to me.


I think the no pit/no leave track will work. I really, really do. Of course testing will continue, but I have utmost faith in it atm.
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I understand that and it is cool of minion,but imagine if all racing did that some of the greatest finishes in racing are dirty.Picture Earnhardt saying sorry to waltrip.Sorry dude you take the win.Thats rubbish:yuck:
 
gravydavy35
I understand that and it is cool of minion,but imagine if all racing did that some of the greatest finishes in racing are dirty.Picture Earnhardt saying sorry to waltrip.Sorry dude you take the win.Thats rubbish:yuck:
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True, but in real life there's more factors involved. Namely, drivers won't take the risks IRL that people playing video games will. Fixing a car doesn't cost money, we can't get hurt, we can't get immobilized and finish last because of a stupid move, etc.

I think the last one's the biggest. If we crash entering the final chicane, (top 2) We can always hobble to the line. IRL, a good crash right before finish may well mean you can't finish.

Plus, I'd expect many a real world racing series would be very upset to see someone do exactly what Minion did, by accident or not. Just because not every crash IRL ends in penalties, doesn't mean you can't get them, it's just not needed as much for the reasons above.
 
Just checked the Standings CSL and Nastra joint 5th on 71 points :eek: i'm behind them by 6 points :( I will need an epic performance at madrid to get 5th. It's shaping up to be an epic race at madrid :dopey: can't wait.
 
I like gravy's point of view in bringing up real life racing. That's why I had that BTCC video posted. For me THAT is real racing. Notice nobody was taken out but there was contact everywhere, but not with mistakes. I freakin love it. On the other hand, I also understand the very strict penalty systems used as GT5 has poor collision physics. The cars bounce off each other:yuck: instead of actually colliding.
 
Greennarcotics
Just checked the Standings CSL and Nastra joint 5th on 71 points :eek: i'm behind them by 6 points :( I will need an epic performance at madrid to get 5th. It's shaping up to be an epic race at madrid :dopey: can't wait.
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Except Nepalli's current running total is 92.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ZFdvVUt3M1M4TlE&single=true&gid=0&output=html

Which means me and Nastra are tied at 5th/6th, which is the cutoff for guaranteed entry to Laguna! :scared:


NEPALII
I like gravy's point of view in bringing up real life racing. That's why I had that BTCC video posted. For me THAT is real racing. Notice nobody was taken out but there was contact everywhere, but not with mistakes. I freakin love it. On the other hand, I also understand the very strict penalty systems used as GT5 has poor collision physics. The cars bounce off each other:yuck: instead of actually colliding.
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And what about the lack of real danger, financial aspects, and especially cars being immobilized?
I bet it wouldn't take to many totaled cars before people actually calmed down from how they drive now, let alone driving more aggressively.

Imagine going from 1st to last in the last 100 ft because your car could no longer drive. I'm sure that would change the aspect quite a bit.
 
If GT5 had realistic damage, where cars were actually cars and not bouncy Im pretty sure there would be better and more realistic racing. We wouldnt even be bumpdrafting or running so close behind each other. *sigh* When is PD going to bring us decent collision physics? Just look at the PC sims, Kaz and copy them :D
 
Mini race report:

Started in 7th, instead of 4th. Didn't really consider a restart, wasn't sure, I figured at this track, 7th would be good enough, I could make some moves and keep the lead draft. I was right, we ended up with pretty close to the entire field running down the straights like a pissed off locomotive.
Bumps and bruises abundant, small bangs and errors slowed a group down a bit, and we were 2 packs, running around the track in synchronized harmony.
Somewhere in the mix, me, Wardez, Nastra, and Sam lost the leaders, we just kept making little mistakes, and certainly weren't working together like the leaders were, and they started slowly pulling away.
At some point I went wide right off the track, I was easily able to come right back on, but I think I may have failed to yield, if only a little. I thought for sure Nastra and Wardez would have been clear left or past me by then, certainly misjudged it. Once I was back out, the grip loss from being in the grass was still present, so I had to crawl through the following right hand turn, ended up holding all of us up a bit.:ouch:
Decided by lap 7 I needed some sort of strategy for the situation, the leaders were pulling away, and it looked like a dogfight for 4th, so I tried pitting on lap 8, and I was the only one in so early. Strategy seemed to pay off, when they came out of the pits, I was ahead of all of them, which left it with greennarcotics about 2-3 seconds behind, RedReevos about 5-6 seconds ahead, and the leaders as little as 8 seconds ahead.
I was worried for a while Green would catch me, and I'd have to fight for 5th all the way, on worse tires, finally hit my groove around lap 12 and started running 38's for a while. Kept the leaders within 10 seconds for a while, until I had an off around lap 17-18, which I took as my warning to ease up. Pretty much cruised from there on out to take fourth, hoping Minion and Spyhunter would crash into each other. :lol: Looks like they almost did, too. :D

All-in-all one of the best races I've been in, great battling, even if we really should have been teaming up, between me, Wardez, Nastra, and Sam, there must have been at least 20 bumps and bangs just in the first 8 laps alone, very crazy stuff, awesome that we all held it together, given the nature of such close racing.
👍👍👍
 
Tonight's race is why I stick with it. I finally had a clean race and was able to hold on to my starting position, even almost picked up a position on the last lap. Great D2 race tonight!
 
Finding myself working my tail off just to finish 8th place in Division 2. Some really fast guys at the front. At least I lead a couple of laps.
 
1st thru 4th positions finished within 1 second. Welsh was there too at the start of the last lap, think he lost the draft? In any case, WOW.

Edit: Ketiux won, and he earned it.
 
wow i forgot why FMSC is so fun, really enjoyed the race till i spun, when i lead i thought i was being disconnected or caused a lag crash but im relieved that neither happened.
 
Sorry to MotorCity, MuoNiula, JayB, and frogman for that incident on turn 1 at the beginning of the race. I was having trouble with my wheel and pedals moving all race (I need a real stand), but that was no excuse for what happened at the beginning of the race. I made a stupid mistake, hit the brake just a tad too late, and ended up in the middle of a pile. I hope I didn't cost anyone their position. If it's any condolence, I dropped back, and pretty much gave myself no shot of competing in the race.
 
^^^ Forget frogman, he was a random I couldn't kick before the race started. :p

Everyone in the world was playing GT5 online tonight, so many randoms!
 
R1600Turbo
^^^ Forget frogman, he was a random I couldn't kick before the race started. :p

Everyone in the world was playing GT5 online tonight, so many randoms!
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Grid order work out ok?
Sounds like you guys had an equally if not more awesome race then D3.👍
 
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