FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Tornado]

I dunno Mint.


I haven't played that much Forza, but are Dreams in fact Driven?






Edit: OH. MY. GOD. Someone just made the same joke as I did, but they absolutely didn't intend it to be a joke. Poe's Law EVERYWHERE!

 

[Minty]

Tough to say since, well, dreams can't really be proven as fact.....

 

[Daverytimes]

I dunno Mint.


I haven't played that much Forza, but are Dreams in fact Driven?






Edit: OH. MY. GOD. Someone just made the same joke as I did, but they absolutely didn't intend it to be a joke. Poe's Law EVERYWHERE!

Well it was a joke thank you sir, and it was directed at both games thank you very much.

 

[Tornado]

Tough to say since, well, dreams can't really be proven as fact.....

When you Drive a Dream, is it an automatic or a manual?

 

[Vaxxtx]

This is getting funny. I cant wait to hear ocalots answer to this.

 

[KreepaEvox]

Wow, lol... We are reaching that point

 

[zr1chris]

Did the box say all 1000 were customizable? Leaderboards? I didnt see where kaz promise that but ill let you have that. What else did kaz supposedly promise?

Right here in case you conveniently forgot.

and here

Sorry for the pics being taken with my phone but you can still see what it says.

 

[ocalot2k5]

"Making cars AWD makes them more powerful"
" I rather have no cockpits than dead ones"
"Engine Swapping is Stupid"
" How can a Civic make more than 600 hp when in GT it can only make 400, GT is more real so they have to be right, right"
.... And the like are silly little statements that some of you people use get old when you can't do any of them.

I can: Visually and Mechanically upgrade my brakes, Engine swap, Livery edit/buy, paint any car anyway I want without any hassle( paint chips I'm looking at you), have someone tune for me, sell that car for in game money once I'm done with it, Have a more categorized modification upgrade list ( Heads, cams, Block, pistons, etc ), tires by width, rims by size, a more sensible/logical choice of tire compounds, un-restrict race cars... I could keep going about all the "incompleteness" that is Forza. Sure, they patched the hand animations, patched the drag strips because some people whined their 600 hp 1,700 pound car couldn't hook off the line with circuit slicks (lol), but it has leaderboards for every track, every car category and every mode. "But, we have night and weather"... great, now go run those tracks in a Kubbelwagen with a engine type 2 a rom chip (lol) a dirt bike muffler and a herbie horn... lol

Lol list wars with forza 3 or 4? Better cockpits, Karts, nascar, dynamic weather, dynamic time of day, rally, Snow terrain, special events, super gt, The better green hell, More tracks,Course maker, Head tracking, GTTV, 3D, pits, No leaderboard but we have GTacademy and tons of other events and seasonal events. We can both do lists. My point is GT5 Was completed and shipped. And so was forza 3 and forza 4 in the end.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Wow, lol... We are reaching that point

99% of the time I see Blue or Purple text, I know its going to be a post of awesomeness, and actual....intelligent thought.

 

[Daverytimes]

I want to point out something, If Forza's catchphrase is "Were dreams are driven" and GT5's catchphrase is "The real driven simulator" why cant i drive my dream? You know because GT5 says it is the "Real driving simulator"?

 

[Tornado]

I want to point out something, If Forza's catchphrase is "Were dreams are driven" and GT5's catchphrase is "The real driven simulator" why cant i drive my dream? You
know because GT5 says it is the "Real driving simulator"?

Puffery and material statements aren't the same thing, and joke or not the only thing cracking it will do is mess with someone who is already quite confused as it is.

My point is GT5 Was completed and shipped.

Then your point was wrong.

 

[Terronium-12]

This has become rather redundant.

 

[ocalot2k5]

Right here in case you conveniently forgot.

Like i said, ill give you that. Customization, leaderboards and matchmaking. Those aren't and franky leaderboards are the most important. So because of those the game is incomplete?

 

[Tornado]

Like i said, ill give you that. Customization, leaderboards and matchmaking. Those aren't and franky leaderboards are the most important. So because of those the game is incomplete?

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[zr1chris]

Like i said, ill give you that. Customization, leaderboards and matchmaking. Those aren't and franky leaderboards are the most important. So because of those the game is incomplete?

In a word. YES. It's right there on the cover but yet it isn't in the game A YEAR LATER. Everything T10 puts on the back cover is in the game day 1.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Did the box say all 1000 were customizable? Leaderboards? I didnt see where kaz promise that but ill let you have that. What else did kaz supposedly promise?

Like i said, ill give you that. Customization, leaderboards and matchmaking. Those aren't and franky leaderboards are the most important. So because of those the game is incomplete?

Yes, its INcomplete if something is on the box but NOT in the game. How dense can you be? A car you buy that comes with 3 wheels, is also incomplete. So you see the trend?

Sorry but you tried to make some points, and it failed.

 

[Minty]

Lol list wars with forza 3 or 4? [1]Better cockpits, Karts, nascar, dynamic weather, dynamic time of day, rally, Snow terrain, special events, super gt, [2]The better green hell, More tracks, Course maker, [3]Head tracking, GTTV, 3D, pits, No leaderboard but we have [6]GTacademy and tons of other events and seasonal events.

1 and 2 are opinions, and not a fact in any way.

3, Forza 4 has head tracking. And here's the best part.....you can use it in actual races.

So because of those the game is incomplete?

Now you're getting it.

 

[ocalot2k5]

Yes, its INcomplete if something is on the box but NOT in the game. How dense can you be? A car you buy that comes with 3 wheels, is also incomplete. So you see the trend?

Sorry but you tried to make some points, and it failed.

Dense? hahaha. Im sorry people i thought gt5 was only a game my bad. Im sure polyphony is shivering in their boots because gt5 leaderboards, matchmaking and customization have made their game incomplete. Thankfully driving doesn't require any of that.

 

[Minty]

It is only a game. And an incomplete one at that.

 

[zr1chris]

Lol list wars with forza 3 or 4? Better cockpits, Karts, nascar, dynamic weather, dynamic time of day, rally, Snow terrain, special events, super gt, The better green hell, More tracks,Course maker, Head tracking, GTTV, 3D, pits, No leaderboard but we have GTacademy and tons of other events and seasonal events. We can both do lists. My point is GT5 Was completed and shipped. And so was forza 3 and forza 4 in the end.

I can also put together a list of things Forza has that GT doesn't

Better car sounds
Cockpits on ALL cars
No standard cars that are only up to par with the last gen of consoles.
Livery editor
Auction house
Storefront
Savable tunes
Wheels available for every car
Better tuning options
WAY BETTER car list
Monthly DLC
A brand new game every 2 years.
Mechanical damage

I could go on but thats just off the top of my head.

Edit: The sad thing is this is FM3. Don't even get me started on FM4.

 

[ocalot2k5]

It is only a game. And an incomplete one at that.

I agree buddy, its incomplete That sentence is also incomplete because it doesnt have a fullstop. I can still read it tho.

 

[Minty]

Better tuning options

And if we want to get specific this could be expanded to almost double the size of the list.

I agree buddy, its incomplete That sentence is also incomplete because it doesnt have a fullstop. I can still read it tho.

Not sure if intentionally ironic.


On second thought, it's probably not intentional.

 

[Daverytimes]

Puffery and material statements aren't the same thing, and joke or not the only thing cracking it will do is mess with someone who is already quite confused as it is.


Then your point was wrong.

So you choose to blindly follow one catchphrase because it is puffery while you dismiss the other because its a material statement? A quick question my dear sir: out of those two catchphrases which game lives up to it the most? and does it matter?

 

[Tornado]

So you choose to blindly follow one catchphrase because it is puffery while you dismiss the other because its a material statement?

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What the hell are you talking about? Do you know what puffery is?

I agree buddy, its incomplete

Good. Then we are making progress.

 

[Daverytimes]

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What the hell are you talking about? Do you know what puffery is?

From my understanding puffery is an exaggeration, and the way you put it is this "I can let Forza's catchphrase slide because it's an exaggeration but i won't let GT5's catchphrase slide because it is a material statement.

 

[zr1chris]

Come on guys both the catchphrases are just that. Nothing more and nothing less. Neither one is more accurate or inaccurate than the other.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Come on guys both the catchphrases are just that. Nothing more and nothing less. Neither one is more accurate or inaccurate than the other.

Dont tell some people that. Thems fightin words!

 

[Tornado]

From my understanding puffery is an exaggeration,

Puffery is opinion. Material statements are fact.

and the way you put it is this "I can let Forza's catchphrase slide because it's an exaggeration but i won't let GT5's catchphrase slide.

Neither of the catchphreases (Driving the Dream, Real Driving Simulator, etc.) are anything but puffery. Puffery has nothing to do with this.

Features listed on the back of the box are not puffery, because those are material claims for what the game contains. Or, in GT5's case, what it is supposed to contain.

 

[KreepaEvox]

I can also put together a list of things Forza has that GT doesn't

Better car sounds
Cockpits on ALL cars
No standard cars that are only up to par with the last gen of consoles.
Livery editor
Auction house
Storefront
Savable tunes
Wheels available for every car
Better tuning options
WAY BETTER car list
Monthly DLC
A brand new game every 2 years.
Mechanical damage

I could go on but thats just off the top of my head.

Edit: The sad thing is this is FM3. Don't even get me started on FM4.

Even funnier is that in tha "list" he provided some features are easily comparable... Nascar? u have the license and the liveried cars... In FM3 there were stock cars, which, get this, the community replicated ALL Nascar liveries and even created some of their own... and better yet, they sold, many times you could get them for free, so you could use them all. GTTV, when was the last time they put something worth mentioning in that bad boy? Head tracking? in arcade mode only? More tracks? 100 variations against 70, and we are not even counting the DLC tracks.... DLC, you know that thing you didn't need and all of a sudden can't wait for? Better cockpits? out of the 200 30% were recycled from similar models?(Nascar guilty) Course Maker, great let's debate that useless 3-d...erm feature. Super GT? don't Forza have more models than you? Pits, you mean that waste of resources of watching 4 animatronic puppets refueling the air while you get passed? I concede the dynamic time/weather, ut those are only 2 of a very long list friend

 

[Daverytimes]

Puffery is opinion. Material statements are fact.


Neither of the catchphreases (Driving the Dream, Real Driving Simulator, etc.) are anything but puffery. Puffery has nothing to do with this.

Features listed on the back of the box are not puffery, because those are material claims for what the game contains. Or, in GT5's case, what it is supposed to contain.

Hold on a minute, puffery is not opinion (unless i am massively wrong), Puffery is not only an exaggeration but something that is false or not true. Infact i just checked the definition and was greeted with this
puff·er·y
noun /ˈpəfərē/ 

Exaggerated or false praise
So either you have it wrong or i have it wrong.

Bolded:
In your original post you said:

Puffery and material statements aren't the same thing, and joke or not the only thing cracking it will do is mess with someone who is already quite confused as it is.

Since you were replying to me it leads me to believe that you are indeed talking about the catchphrase, nowhere in the above quote did you mention anything concerning words writing on the back of the box.

Ediit: Am about to sleep so this conversation rests till another day.