FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Bogie 19th]

This time keep your eyes open.

FM3 vs FM4 Head to Head Nurb GP (Fm3 is modded full polygon mode)

Even better yet...all the people that have been to Gamescom, E3 and demoing the game on the show floor have already stated the game looks night and day better and drives night and day better.

Hands on reviews are indeed the best ones.

 

[HBK]

Heck, October can't come any sooner.

 

[McLaren]

I just play both games, and came cross stuff that I don't like and stuff that is wrong in both games, I'm against the FM3 model and some aspects from GT5 model, that's what I'm truly against, addressing such things is wrong, discussing such things is wrong?

No, you're not. You're only there to create posts that you know sit on the borderline of causing replies.

You're not addressing anything by going, "The more I see FM4, the more it looks like FM3". You're after flame-baiting just as you always were in the GT5 forum when you made up BS facts about what Forza does/doesn't do in comparison to GT5. Quite a few videos have been posted now that show side-by-side, just how much better the graphics & lighting engine behind FM4 has become over FM3, yet you actually think it's looking more & more the other way around?

If you are not for the discussion, why are you even in this forum, then?

This is not a discussion. This is you being a hidden troll, as you near always have been in the past. I've yet to see you offer any sort of positive discussion in the pros of Forza, only posts that you know stir the pot. And I don't believe I've ever seen a post form you that ever highlights these GT5 model aspects you claim to be against, only how FM4 fails in comparison to it & other games.

 

[Akira AC]

No, you're not. You're only there to create posts that you know sit on the borderline of causing replies.

You're not addressing anything by going, "The more I see FM4, the more it looks like FM3". You're after flame-baiting just as you always were in the GT5 forum when you made up BS facts about what Forza does/doesn't do in comparison to GT5. Quite a few videos have been posted now that show side-by-side, just how much better the graphics & lighting engine behind FM4 has become over FM3, yet you actually think it's looking more & more the other way around?

This is not a discussion. This is you being a hidden troll, as you near always have been in the past. I've yet to see you offer any sort of positive discussion in the pros of Forza, only posts that you know stir the pot. And I don't believe I've ever seen a post form you that ever highlights these GT5 model aspects you claim to be against, only how FM4 fails in comparison to it & other games.

According to that, then this would be trolling:

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And further replies made to them, Trolling and not agreeing with everyone are two very different things, people who tent to reply to these posts are actually people who discuss, people who say simply FM for the win just don't hold themselves too much, still I'm not seeing any mods or other users addressing my posts as trolling, if that's true then half of this discussion would be trolling.

Also, all I'm saying is that I look a the produced gameplay trailers, Autovista and some gameplay, and it does looks like FM3, I already said that the lighting engine was refined, I wont deny that, but the game doesn't show improved textures from the last game, and the dash of that M5 looks terrible compared to what other games dashes and cockpits provides(not only GT5).

 

[JDMKING13]

The videos look pretty good in my opinion, however watching the interior view in the video looks very weird. It looks like they are floating, also with the BMW understeering in the one video looked very unnatrual. Other than that looks pretty good. 👍

 

[theotherspongey]

The videos look pretty good in my opinion, however watching the interior view in the video looks very weird. It looks like they are floating, also with the BMW understeering in the one video looked very unnatrual. Other than that looks pretty good. 👍

Uh-oh...

*thinks NFS Shift*

 

[Griffith500]

The videos look pretty good in my opinion, however watching the interior view in the video looks very weird. It looks like they are floating, also with the BMW understeering in the one video looked very unnatrual. Other than that looks pretty good. 👍

That's how I saw it, too. However, the steering-wheel doesn't seem to turn much, so that might bias things.

 

[James1436]

I highly doubt that Shift2 can acchieve more accurate laps than GT5 with equal to real life settings. Maybe you tried only with default setups or wrong tires.

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Who said that you can not experience the simulation in the same way that you would be supposed to experience a real drive?, all that fancy screens are not going to make the game more realistic just for displaying values in a graphical form. All games even arcade have a physics engine doing a lot of internal calculations, is not a thing exclusive of sim games.

Here is a video of a car with exact settings as the real life car.
It looks pretty accurate, look through this guys channel, he has alot of real life setup comparisons. Shift 2 and Forza 3 have telemetry to back up the data; even if Gt5 has far more advanced physics, we will never know. But I will agree that Shift 2's stock car setups are pretty bad.

 

[McLaren]

According to that, then this would be trolling:

No, this would be.

Not sure, but after seeing this, and plenty of other videos, it seems that FM4 cars quality doesn't match GT5's premiums.

The more I see this game, the more it looks to FM3.

So, RUF in game = No Porsche in game

There goes all the claims that said such thing otherwise, and I still wonder why would someone take the licence for two cars, just to use roughly the same model(which is not the same as taking two cars and tag them as different).

Ariel is probably the void A one.

In reply to Bogie telling you this is false (esp. when the proof was posted several times of the course of this thread).

True, Driver San Francisco.

After Justin posted that wasn't fact, either.

Not sure if joking or denial

Even after being corrected, you still claim otherwise. Looks like troll posts to me.

And further replies made to them, Trolling and not agreeing with everyone are two very different things, people who tent to reply to these posts are actually people who discuss, people who say simply FM for the win just don't hold themselves too much, still I'm not seeing any mods or other users addressing my posts as trolling, if that's true then half of this discussion would be trolling.

When you pick out your best posts, of course it's not going to highlight what I'm talking about. Look above, however.

There are many other examples such as where you claimed there were no "wind physics" even after being proved otherwise. I believe Bonefork was the one who had to prove to you again that you make things up. You've also made complaints about how the Forza series doesn't bring any new content & such, yet the same logic applied to GT5. Then you complained about DLC issues, issues that actually applied to nearly any game with extra content released after the game. Add in the fact that you claimed the DLC packs where twice as much as they really were.

As for people who say, "FM for the win", they're no different than you were. Again, you held that same mentality in the GT5 forums, & would make up things about Forza to show why you didn't like it. I believe at one point, you even said FM3 just carried over content from FM2 including the rather poor cockpits....

Also, all I'm saying is that I look a the produced gameplay trailers, Autovista and some gameplay, and it does looks like FM3, I already said that the lighting engine was refined, I wont deny that, but the game doesn't show improved textures from the last game, and the dash of that M5 looks terrible compared to what other games dashes and cockpits provides(not only GT5).

It clearly looks nothing like FM3 did. It's nowhere near as bright or colorful as FM3 was, & the textures are very much improved.

But despite that, you say things like this because it was already in your head that FM4 was going to be somewhat the same as FM3, & seeing as you didn't like anything in FM3, you're already set on not liking a thing about FM4.

And as far as dislikes or likes goes,I don't see why stuff that isn't in the game should be excluded from the list,My mayor dislike of FM3 is almost everything,as I said before FM2 was a terrific game that was ruined by its sequel,and FM4 doesn't seem too far from there.

So, why are you here, then if FM4 doesn't seem too far from FM3, a game you claim to like almost nothing about.

 

[Luminis]

Honestly, to whomever thinks that Forza 4 has not improved over FM3: Stop making excuses like "they're using different TVs!!" and get your eyes checked instead.

It can't be that hard to notice a difference that big.

 

[theotherspongey]

Honestly, to whomever thinks that Forza 4 has not improved over FM3: Stop making excuses like "they're using different TVs!!" and get your eyes checked instead.

It can't be that hard to notice a difference that big.

So how was Gamescom, I heard you went.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Of course there's a big difference, comparison videos like that are stupid though. You can only compare with the same display/capture card. One direct feed and one off-screen from two different sources is nonesense, unless you compare small details in the modeling, but not for an overall impression.

 

[Luminis]

So how was Gamescom, I heard you went.

Got a ticket for Saturday. Gamescom isn't even open to the public until tomorrow (or rather, later today, as it's already 3 in the morning).

Of course there's a big difference, comparison videos like that are stupid though. You can only compare with the same display/capture card. One direct feed and one off-screen from two different sources is nonesense, unless you compare small details in the modeling, but not for an overall impression.

Uhm, what? There's a fine difference between making a perfect comparison video of both games and pointing out that one of those clearly looks different than the other.

I mean, c'mon, what's next? "You can't go by what you're seeing at E³ and Gamescom because they're using different TVs than you will"?

 

[G.T.Ace]

Why putting the "same" (or better similar car) on the same track and even using a not-so-normal copy of the game? It was meant to be a serious comparison, which I, personally, find stupid when made this way.

I mean, c'mon, what's next? "You can't go by what you're seeing at E³ and Gamescom because they're using different TVs than you will"?

Gosh, typical German attitude, using an extreme example to prove a "point". You should never completely judge game graphics from off-screen footage, doesn't mean you cannot tell or say it looks good/bad, jeez.

Like I said myself, of course there's a big difference, doesn't change that the comparison is completely flawed.

 

[Akira AC]

*sigh*

If you want me so much out of this thing, granted, but here is a little reminder; both games are compared by the same people who will by Forza and probably are Forza fans, the discussion looked really promising but it has become really sided since 8 pages ago. Apart from that, you know how things will turn out to be for the whole Porsche thing, at least you have enough reason to know that.

In any case, I stand corrected on the whole bullcrap about wind physics, after all, there are plenty of engines that support this function, I just assume that GT5's engine did this.

In any case, replying to troll posts makes me a troll, you are pretty aware of that, so why not point that out, instead of creating this whole drama about me being a troll, and if I did the whole bullcrap posts as you said, then there wouldn't be any good posts in the first place, I avoid to mention that wnd physics thing because it was a mistaken assumption by my part, something that doesn't even crosses through a mind of a fanboy.

By seeing this, the only thing that crosses trough my mind is that such discussion cannot take place seriously, specially when a newer game comes out, I understand the mod's thinking in the creation of this thread, but still doesn't work, there are GTvsFM comparisons everywhere in this section, which thankfully it is only limited to the 40-50 users who cares.

Still, I wont leave the forums because someone said so, there are plenty of things on these forums that I usually explore, FMvsGT just happens to be one of those, if some people cannot stand such opinions, then they have to deal with it, after all, ordinary users do not regulate individual thinking.

(I cannot believe how much time I wasted on this)

 

[theotherspongey]

Got a ticket for Saturday. Gamescom isn't even open to the public until tomorrow (or rather, later today, as it's already 3 in the morning).

Uhm, what? There's a fine difference between making a perfect comparison video of both games and pointing out that one of those clearly looks different than the other.

I mean, c'mon, what's next? "You can't go by what you're seeing at E³ and Gamescom because they're using different TVs than you will"?

Oh yea, where I am it's almost noon, wasnt paying attention to time zones... ><

 

[McLaren]

*sigh*

If you want me so much out of this thing, granted, but here is a little reminder; both games are compared by the same people who will by Forza and probably are Forza fans, the discussion looked really promising but it has become really sided since 8 pages ago. Apart from that, you know how things will turn out to be for the whole Porsche thing, at least you have enough reason to know that.

Where has it become sided besides you bringing up other games? That's your fault, as far as I've seen.

By seeing this, the only thing that crosses trough my mind is that such discussion cannot take place seriously, specially when a newer game comes out, I understand the mod's thinking in the creation of this thread, but still doesn't work, there are GTvsFM comparisons everywhere in this section, which thankfully it is only limited to the 40-50 users who cares.

It can be taken seriously. But, not when folks like you post incorrect information about 1 of the games.

Still, I wont leave the forums because someone said so, there are plenty of things on these forums that I usually explore, FMvsGT just happens to be one of those, if some people cannot stand such opinions, then they have to deal with it, after all, ordinary users do not regulate individual thinking.
(I cannot believe how much time I wasted on this)

That's cute. I never told you to leave. I asked why you where here because you said FM4 was looking to be the same as FM3 & you didn't like that game. So, one can conclude you aren't very fond of FM4 either, so why bother posting in this section other than to stir the pot. But not surprisingly, that's exactly what you've done in a few posts.

These are the posts that are not opinion. Again, they are posts you know very well on the verge of garnishing reactions b/c you worded them to show obvious dislike towards the game. We've dealt them before by repeatedly calling out your claims & correcting your posts. But, you ignore them & go on posting these claims anyway.

Oh, and just so people can see how you reacted towards Forza before this section.

BTW whet people don't see is quality of textures and quality of the models,increase the number of polygons in a car doesn't make it more detailed or better, which is the case of both standard cars in GT5 and all the cars in Forza 3,Forza 3 have great courses but sadly is obscure by:textures of both cars and tracks,the driving aids,the quality of world class tracks(i.e. nurburgring) and this is because Forza tries to engage a more average user,instead of the normal GT market,Forza is a Gran Turismo ripoff by microsoft but sadly the cant recreate the racing experience that GT offers.

But to be fair

Forza=Gran turismo Rip off

seriously the idea got such a mayor success that it was copy by the company who try to make profit of everything,sure the xbox GT counterpart had to be good but is not match for the original that is my point of view.

BTW: I had Forza 3 and trust me they make you PAY for all the cars that should be in the stock game in the first place,like

-458,599xx,430 scuderia(can you believe it)
-lambo superleggera(not even the newer one that came out the old one)
-all the new astons
-the new zondas(not the ones that came along in 2009,the ones from 2005 and 2007)

and forza fans will say 200 premium cars for you but is way better than 400 cars,pay for the rest and all of them being half asset, with worst engine and fewer tracks(I man common they say like 80 variations but they count the nurburgring as stages and they make like 8 tracks out of it, ridiculous)

and to finish my rant I have to say that this yet another chapter on the console war,this is a particular heat up discussion but the graphics on the last generation GT games had been from the top, GT prologue trash the forza graphics,and that is still prologue,for GT5 I hope something like this,not the 800 old cars issue but the insertion on the racing experience,the area that GT series has been truly a winner,since GT4 people love GT and even forza take damage and the customization the people could not care less,GT experience is way better and GT4 stood as a great experience,so much that they even was compared to next gen game(forza 2)and even so it could not be beaten,and trust me forza 4 will come in response for this but at the end you know what is the game of choise

The reason you don't talk like this now is because this is the Forza section & you're smart enough to know you'll get driven right out of this forum. But, I'm making posts like these above known so folks know that you're attempt at making a "discussion" is not how you've really thought about the Forza series.

 

[Luminis]

Why putting the "same" (or better similar car) on the same track and even using a not-so-normal copy of the game? It was meant to be a serious comparison, which I, personally, find stupid when made this way.

So, we shouldn't make any comparisons at all until the game's out? What kind of logic is that?

Gosh, typical German attitude, using an extreme example to prove a "point". You should never completely judge game graphics from off-screen footage, doesn't mean you cannot tell or say it looks good/bad, jeez.

As pointed out below, I never intended to judge the game's graphics completely based on an offscreen video. Besides, that statement was made to, you know, mock that attitude a bit.

Like I said myself, of course there's a big difference, doesn't change that the comparison is completely flawed.

And in case you missed it, that's what I said. Even if the footage isn't perfect, it's easily good enough to see there's quite the difference. And that the game doesn't look worse (or much akin to) FM3. That's all I was saying and that's all I was mentioning the comparison videos for.

Oh yea, where I am it's almost noon, wasnt paying attention to time zones... ><

the discussion looked really promising but it has become really sided since 8 pages ago

I know, this probably never crossed your mind, but: There might be valid reasons as to why the discussion has become more favourable for one game... Aside from bias. Just food for thought.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Wow. I think someone just got put in their place. McLaren you are merciless.

 

[JJ72]

All that hard talks and now playing victim, I am disappoint.

alright back on topic

 

[jabofu]

*sigh*

If you want me so much out of this thing, granted, but here is a little reminder; both games are compared by the same people who will by Forza and probably are Forza fans, the discussion looked really promising but it has become really sided since 8 pages ago. Apart from that, you know how things will turn out to be for the whole Porsche thing, at least you have enough reason to know that.

In any case, I stand corrected on the whole bullcrap about wind physics, after all, there are plenty of engines that support this function, I just assume that GT5's engine did this.

Thats the case why you are being criticised. You constantly bringing facts up without backing it up with some proof or support unproofed "facts" from somebody else.

As stated from several others above, you have been participated in quite a few pointless situations and false information spreading.

Using an argument and not backing it up and seeing heavy confrontation surprises you? If you dont consider FM 3 + 4 a valuable game, why are you here anyway? Does it make you happy to mock other people and ridicul the game?

And now show me the proof that GT5 supports windphysics and that Forza 3 does not. If not, you are officially discredited.

 

[PzR Slim]

Where has it become sided besides you bringing up other games? That's your fault, as far as I've seen.


It can be taken seriously. But, not when folks like you post incorrect information about 1 of the games.

That's cute. I never told you to leave. I asked why you where here because you said FM4 was looking to be the same as FM3 & you didn't like that game. So, one can conclude you aren't very fond of FM4 either, so why bother posting in this section other than to stir the pot. But not surprisingly, that's exactly what you've done in a few posts.

These are the posts that are not opinion. Again, they are posts you know very well on the verge of garnishing reactions b/c you worded them to show obvious dislike towards the game. We've dealt them before by repeatedly calling out your claims & correcting your posts. But, you ignore them & go on posting these claims anyway.

Oh, and just so people can see how you reacted towards Forza before this section.




The reason you don't talk like this now is because this is the Forza section & you're smart enough to know you'll get driven right out of this forum. But, I'm making posts like these above known so folks know that you're attempt at making a "discussion" is not how you've really thought about the Forza series.

Very good post.

And just to try and get this back OT, FM4 is getting better the more I see of it.
The section through the trees on the Alps track in particular looks stunning. October really can't come soon enough. I'm not sure FM4 is going to match GT5 when GT5 is at it's very best but overall I think it's going to blow it out of the water. Actually the Alps track IMO looks better than anything GT5 does in terms of tracks.

 

[HBK]

Adding fuel to the fire, I don't think FM3 and FM4 look *that* much different. After all, they are made by the same people on the same hardware, reusing most of the assets. Still, the improvements in lighting and overall colorimetry makes FM4 looks loads better than FM3, there's no denying that.

And it would appear we now get full "LoD" for the player's car, at last

 

[Griffith500]

Wow. I think someone just got put in their place. McLaren you are merciless.

Because people can't change their opinions. They are set in stone.


Anyway, I agree. We can't make any final judgment until we have the game. Until then, it's looking good, if still very similar in some ways.

 

[G.T.Ace]

As pointed out below, I never intended to judge the game's graphics completely based on an offscreen video. Besides, that statement was made to, you know, mock that attitude a bit.


And in case you missed it, that's what I said. Even if the footage isn't perfect, it's easily good enough to see there's quite the difference. And that the game doesn't look worse (or much akin to) FM3. That's all I was saying and that's all I was mentioning the comparison videos for.

And I don't care what you think and make out of it (not saying you are wrong), the comparison is still useless to compare things like color saturation, lighting (which is better, based on direct feed footage) and other things like that. Something I noticed in this video though, is that they still kept the strange soccer field textures for the Ring, but at least in a much higher resolution.

 

[Griffith500]

And I don't care what you think and make out of it (not saying you are wrong), the comparison is still useless to compare things like color saturation, lighting (which is better, based on direct feed footage) and other things like that. Something I noticed in this video though, is that they still kept the strange soccer field textures for the Ring, but at least in a much higher resolution.

Only at the edges, where it meets the track and curbs and is all roughed up (probably additional "splats"). The textures themselves look the same (to me), but tweaked for colour.

 

[jabofu]

And I don't care what you think and make out of it (not saying you are wrong), the comparison is still useless to compare things like color saturation, lighting (which is better, based on direct feed footage) and other things like that. Something I noticed in this video though, is that they still kept the strange soccer field textures for the Ring, but at least in a much higher resolution.

I have to admit that the Nürburgring GP track felt graphically out of place in FM 3. It was great to drive, but the colours were completely different from the other tracks. But they improved with FM 4 a lot and it doesnt look like a candy shop anymore.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Because people can't change their opinions. They are set in stone.

Anyway, I agree. We can't make any final judgment until we have the game. Until then, it's looking good, if still very similar in some ways.

I don't understand your point or why you have chosen to quote me.

 

[Scaff]

Lol, why are you even in this forum, then? You seem to only constantly be on the look out for ways to disagree with any pro-Forza posts, much like you were in the days leading up to GT5's release.

It would be appreciated it you would not tell members what they should or should not be posting. That's the staff's job and no one else's.

The post in question is valid considering the thread topic. If you disagree with the point then explain why, do not however tell the member they should not be posting it.

I also strongly suggest you re-read the opening post in this thread in regard to your repeated use of the term troll, as right now both of you are looking at a time out for an off-topic spat and wasting my 10,000 post on rubbish.



Scaff

 

[JDMKING13]

You guys have to stop using that word its getting annoying. This is a cool thread and if it gets locked over a few people who cant follow direction its going to be a shame.