Why can't you guys stop slating the 'Ring in FM2? As 1 or 2 people have said, including me, if you don't like the way it is, then just don't drive it full stop. Simple.
Nitro_2005Have you guys even considered that maybe, just maybe, they altered it because it might just make it that little bit easier for first time players to enjoy the 'Ring and have a good time on it. That people who have hated the 'Ring before can now start to like it that little bit more. That maybe it would make driving on the 'Ring for novices and people who aren't very good at driving it less arduous and difficult. Didn't think so.
Then why make the Ring, the Ring with without the any of the corners of the Ring, isn't the Ring. If they want a track that's easy, why not amke a scratch built track that no one can complain about rather than butcher the Ring. You can bitch and moan about people bitching and moaning all you want, as I said I will still enjoy FM2 a lot. But what they have done with the Ring is pathetic. As for lap times being complained about in GT4, I've seen a hell of a lot of them, they wern't directed at the track, because the track was the best version out there by far (not couting EPR's which is very close).Have you guys even considered that maybe, just maybe, they altered it because it might just make it that little bit easier for first time players to enjoy the 'Ring and have a good time on it. That people who have hated the 'Ring before can now start to like it that little bit more. That maybe it would make driving on the 'Ring for novices and people who aren't very good at driving it less arduous and difficult. Didn't think so.
From what I'm hearing, it sounds like most of the people are just a bit too critical. That you guys seem to seek perfection or near perfection in terms of realism. Well, sometimes it's fun to be a bit unrealistic sometimes. You guys have been setting sub-6-minute times around the 'Ring in GT4, even 1 or 2 with sub-5-minutes. And have you complained about that once? Not to my knowledge. I'm sorry if you disagree with my views, but I'm just putting in my 2 cents into this debate as it's now sort of become.
Have you guys even considered that maybe, just maybe, they altered it because it might just make it that little bit easier for first time players to enjoy the 'Ring and have a good time on it. That people who have hated the 'Ring before can now start to like it that little bit more. That maybe it would make driving on the 'Ring for novices and people who aren't very good at driving it less arduous and difficult. Didn't think so.
Is not what a simulator does? Seek perfection?From what I'm hearing, it sounds like most of the people are just a bit too critical. That you guys seem to seek perfection or near perfection in terms of realism.
But simulators are not made to be unrealistic. If something is difficult in real life, a true simulator is not made to give in to folks and make it easier. It makes folks who will one day go to the course have a bad mis-interpretation of the track.Well, sometimes it's fun to be a bit unrealistic sometimes.
Some of us have. And that's due to there being no fear. That's basic on more of the game's physics. A track can accurately be laid out, but it will depend heavily upon physics if it can be run fast. And btw, 90% of GT4's players do not hit the highest times that we've seen here at GTP. I don't even come close, and I'm sure there are others who don't either.You guys have been setting sub-6-minute times around the 'Ring in GT4, even 1 or 2 with sub-5-minutes. And have you complained about that once?
So Turn 10 widened it for Live play. Better that than the course being so tight any sort of fair play is nigh-on impossible due to people ramming you off track.
It's just a game and no game will get it spot on. I find GT's representation too tame, because the car handling is duller than dull.
agreed 👍Why do you guys have to point out one fault out of a great game that you all love and stuff. Sure the ring mabey poorly made but who cares, dont use it. Just race on the many other tracks that they graciously made us. This is a awesome game so just enjoy it and if there are any parts you dont like dont rat on turn 10 because this is a great game they made and 1 track isnt going to ruin it.
Why do you guys have to point out one fault out of a great game that you all love and stuff. Sure the ring mabey poorly made but who cares, dont use it. Just race on the many other tracks that they graciously made us. This is a awesome game so just enjoy it and if there are any parts you dont like dont rat on turn 10 because this is a great game they made and 1 track isnt going to ruin it.
Why do you have to get so serious and nitpicky OVER A GOD DAMN GAME?!?!?!?!?
Believe me, Forza 2 has many more flaws, and believe me, people picked up on GT4's shortcomings as well. If you don't believe that then you have tinted glasses on. What is the point in a discussion that goes...Why do you guys have to point out one fault out of a great game that you all love and stuff. Sure the ring mabey poorly made but who cares, dont use it. Just race on the many other tracks that they graciously made us. This is a awesome game so just enjoy it and if there are any parts you dont like dont rat on turn 10 because this is a great game they made and 1 track isnt going to ruin it.
It's you that seems to be having the problem here.Why do you have to get so serious and nitpicky OVER A GOD DAMN GAME?!?!?!?!?
Anyone else a little bummed out at how it turned out?
I love, love, love the 'ring in GT4 and is 95% of what I run in the game these days.
I basically bought this game so I could run cars not in GT4 on the 'ring. But it's just not the same. Kerb placement is wrong... as well as kerb type. Where's the 'grasscrete?'
I've never been to the track itself... but have seen enough in-car lap videos to make a pretty good comparsion between the real track and the ones in the game. GT4 has the least errors in their track (some of which, I think FM2, got right, oddly enough).
Thank you kindly.Did you happen to notice the title of this thread, its specifically for discussing the 'ring as portrayed in FM2, naturally its going to be compared to the real thing and to other sims. From a pure topographic point of view I can tell you that GT4s 'ring is very, very accurate (backed up by personal experience) and while accuracy may be a minor factor in an arcade game such as PGR, its a bloody big deal in what is presenting itself as a simulation.
As for who cares about this one track, I seriously think you may have misjudged a large part of your audience with that one, because I think most of us do (hence again a dedicated thread to it). I've said it before and I will say it again I would have bought GT4 if the only track in it was the 'ring. The reason being that its a very good recreation of it, the same I would not say of Forza.
Edit - @JCE3000GT - I've just noticed your favourite quote in your profile, can you please change that ASAP, the AUP applies to all parts of the site and as such its currently a violation - thanks.
..in a thread that had been made especially for members to talk about that one particular track within the game. The conversation was always going to have comparisons, favourably or non-favourably, with GT4 or any other game.
It's like going into the 'Caddy's own Blue Devil' thread in the 'Auto News' forums and commenting about all the fuss been made over a car that's ONE and only ONE car from a manufaturer who makes dozens of others.
Have you guys even considered that maybe, just maybe, they altered it because it might just make it that little bit easier for first time players to enjoy the 'Ring and have a good time on it. That people who have hated the 'Ring before can now start to like it that little bit more. That maybe it would make driving on the 'Ring for novices and people who aren't very good at driving it less arduous and difficult. Didn't think so.
From what I'm hearing, it sounds like most of the people are just a bit too critical. That you guys seem to seek perfection or near perfection in terms of realism. Well, sometimes it's fun to be a bit unrealistic sometimes. You guys have been setting sub-6-minute times around the 'Ring in GT4, even 1 or 2 with sub-5-minutes. And have you complained about that once? Not to my knowledge. I'm sorry if you disagree with my views, but I'm just putting in my 2 cents into this debate as it's now sort of become.
Some of us just quit caring about some of the points and address the ones we see fit to.
I'm glad there are at least two people that have been to the Ring and driven it. There comments actually mean something unlike the other 98% of the people who haven't. I'm all for criticizing something in a game, but at least have real life experience with it. But I have better things to do then argue about if a track is slightly off...like actually play and thus reap the entertainment value out of it instead of being so fussy and thus losing the enjoyment.
Same reasons here. I just got the game, took the Fous SVT on a free run at the ring. Did 3 laps, and found alot of "mistakes". Surface to smooth which takes away alot of the challenge, and most corners are no challenge. So disapointed that I needed a break and go to Gtplanet and complain, but thread already started
Dude, give up. We are alone in our opinion, and last time I checked going 1 VS everybody or 2 VS everybody usually ends up in the smaller side losing due to the overwhelming opposition almost everytime. Its like bringing a hunting crossbow to Iraq and expecting to partisipate equally with the combatants. You may have a great weapon, but you won't even get the first step off the plane before you get shot in the face.
Some of us just quit caring about some of the points and address the ones we see fit to.
I'm glad there are at least two people that have been to the Ring and driven it. There comments actually mean something unlike the other 98% of the people who haven't. I'm all for criticizing something in a game, but at least have real life experience with it. But I have better things to do then argue about if a track is slightly off...like actually play and thus reap the entertainment value out of it instead of being so fussy and thus losing the enjoyment.
Don't use a video game to help you learn how to drive a track, video games while fun are not substitutes for real life...unless you are a god/goddess then you can play The Sims all you want.
I quite agree that having been to the 'ring no game or sim is a true substitute, however you could say exactly the same about driving. I'm yet to come across anything that comes close to recreating the real feel of a car on the limit, yet I still play driving and racing sims. The simple reason why is that I can't spend all my time in the car and I can't always go to a track or proving ground, so they are a handy simulation of it. What I can say from personal experience is that my time driving has made me very fussy as far as sims go and my trip to the 'ring has made me very fussy as far as its recreation in game that claim to be sims. After all if you claim its the 'ring and you claim to have made a sim then no excuse for trying your best to do that is valid (for me at least).If I personally had driven the Ring I would think all game sucked at recreating the experience. Once you've had the real thing a virtual world can not compare. I don't think I really have any other experience with this other then maybe comparing a real game of <insert sport> to the video game counter part.
I think I might be the same way when I get back from Germany in August and have experienced a ride around the Ring myself.
Yes and no, while you certainly don't want to use it to learn how to drive a track, a good recreation of a track will at the every least allow you to know the basic layout and corner structure of a track. Its something that has been used by racers the world over, with perhaps Seb Loeb being the most well know example. He claims to have used GT4 to learn the layout of Le Mans prior to his first time racing at the track.Don't use a video game to help you learn how to drive a track, video games while fun are not substitutes for real life...unless you are a god/goddess then you can play The Sims all you want.