FM7 vs. PCars 2 vs. GT:Sport

Discussion in 'Forza Motorsport 7' started by HighSeasHoMastr, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. PzR Slim

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    You are a very sad person.
     
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    @CopperySinger

    I don't understand. Why do certain GT fans like you gotta care so much about Forza? Can't you simply just ignore it and stick with GTS? No, because you have to keep bashing Forza (or any game for that matter) as if it's your life?

    Also, you call people haters yet here you are, acting in the same matter because the game isn't GT. Is GTS really that boring to you or...?
     
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    Let me clarify, project cars2 is not on the 'semi' sim level as fm and gt; thought i stated it clearly. But it pretty much is in the same class as Assetto Corsa, what makes you think it is not? Both games offer complex sim physics but one maybe has better handling model and the other has better tire model. AC and PCARS are pretty much on the same level but you are not going to see much fanboyism here because these are more of what i would classify as 'deeper sim' racers available across all platforms. Also as I been trying to make this point many times during GTS demo that GTS was going to say more than 'Hello' to Forza7, and it did; it said 'see ya later'.

    I must not be as boring or sad after all, because you are following my comments with interest just about every single time I post. here you go posting senseless negativity that doesn't even contribute to anything but personal trolling. Whats up with you? are you mad bro? have i said something that offended you? all you have to do is hit the ignore button bro...
     
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  4. ImaRobot

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    In terms of sales, of course. Not that anyone was denying that, however. In what they actually output, I think both games have aspects that they can say "see ya later" to each other.

    It's ironic that most of your post consist of exactly this. Let us not forget the whole Taylor Swift Livery fiasco.
     
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  6. CopperySinger

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    oh okay, yes I meant that project cars2 is like on a different level. I don't like to compare it to FM7 and GTS because of their mainstream audience once you become more passionate about sim racers you tend to explore more fullsim games. in comparison to PCARS2 popularity hugely favors FM7 and GTS because the typical mainstream audience would be like "dude don't buy project cars 2, the game sucks; the cars don't turn" but that should be expected because chances are they probably haven't learned to master tuning in FM7 or probably haven't fully learned proper race craft in GTS.

    Nah I don't think so because the direction Forza Motorsport is going it will soon be a memory of the past. Its headed for extinction if the game doesn't get improved I mean having many cars alone is just not going to make the cut; Quality over quantity wins everytime. Next; you will have Horizon 4 to carry the torch for the Forza series.
     
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    You don't think so because what? What is holding the game back in your opinion?

    I doubt it's going to be a thing of the past, because if PD can get away with reusing ps2 assets for the better half of a console generation, and still redeem itself, than literally anything is possible. That you prefer PD and GT, that should be extremely apparent to you.

    As for quality vs quantity - I've said it a million times, that only makes sense if there was an absolute dramatic drop in quality, and there really isn't. With them having 700+ car models, the difference in quality isn't as major as you're trying to make it seem. There is variances in modeling, that is correct, but the minimizing of the car list from PD didn't stop them from having their own modeling issues as well.

    I'm glad that the Horizon series is doing amazing. We need games like that, the less serious kind, to get people more interested in this niche genre again. You're trying very hard to paint it as a bad thing, but it's quite the opposite.

    Also please don't forget to reply to the points from your past post, that was responded to. I'd love to see what you have to say about it.
     
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    As long as we're all yelling and pissing one another off, i need to vent about PCars 2.

    I bought the game, jumped in the stock Mustang they had and went to go drive the California coast road (which is an AMAZING track BTW.) The car felt pretty good up to the limits, so i decided to try and cross those limits. I got a little drift angle, everything felt fine and then i went for it, big oversteer....aaaannnd spun. I tried again, another spin.

    "Hmmm maybe they're just bad at controller integration" i thought. So i hooked up my wheel (i had the game on PC) I probably should've done this in the first place, as the FFB was pretty great. Again, I tiptoed up to the limits, slightly beyond and then BAM! Unrecoverable spin. Over and over again no matter how many times I tried.

    I turned off the game and immediately returned it.

    Opinion: You can't make a game that claims to be a rigorous simulation of vehicle handling dynamics that completely ignores/gets wrong what happens after a car completely loses grip. That's a thing that happens in the real world. It happens frequently in the types of environments i'm trying to simulate with a game like this. Yes, i know that the game has drift cars that work fine. I don't care. If you have to have a car set up specifically to drift, you've already failed a very serious realism test. I have absolutely zero troubles drifting in the following: Assetto Corsa, Forza, Gran Turismo, R factor 2, real life.

    There is a ton to like about PCars 2, but if you plan to ever exceed the limits of grip, the game has what i consider to be an unacceptable lack of realism, one that should exclude it from being considered a true sim.

    Anyway, that's my hot take.
     
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    Man, I don't even feel like wasting my time or much effort replying to most of your responses Imarobot. you are always shouting "prove! ;who! what! where! when! how! I didn't say that!!!" on the offensive about everything posted; while all you are doing is self opinionated damage control for Forza. At first I didn't think you was a real human I thought you was a Forza damage control robot for real. dude chill or bring some substance we can talk reasonable about .
     
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    :lol: You make long drawn out posts about opinions and such, but now all of a sudden you dont have the time to "waste"? Not that you were making any effort whatsoever, anyways.

    See ya around! You're welcome to come back and bring in any sort of factual information, for once, at any time. Until then, you're just blowing smoke like always, and spewing misinformation with pretty much no proof whatsoever of anything you've claimed.

    I've long acknowledged Forza's faults. So much so that I've uninstalled the game, but anything to try to portray yourself as a victim I guess.
     
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    Here you go again dude, always on the offense about what is posted. Im going to just come out and ask you; are you a real human? or are you just an attack robot programmed in this website? If you are human, I think the best way to handle this Forza7 criticism is to first knowledge it. Im willing to discuss ideas but not willing to be going back and forth ranting.

    edit: since you edited your post and said you acknowledged and uninstalled the game. I take it you see where improvement is needed, because I have been a long time forza fan too. Id much rather see Forza as a great game than to see it fail.
     
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    @CopperySinger First and foremost, please use the edit button when there are no new posts and you're replying to another post in a short amount of time.

    Citation needed.

    Citation needed. There's also the fact of FM7's prolonged post-game development schedule, so much so FM8 isn't being worked on at a time where it would otherwise be the status quo.

    They're two completely different games targeting two completely different audiences. Of course, there's going to be mass carryover as there's enough "Forza DNA" to attract Motorsport veterans, but the fact remains the target audience is different. So unless Horizon becomes a jack of all trades and incorporates Motorsport tracks, I don't see this happening anytime soon.

    Oh, and finally, even if thinly-veiled, attack the point and not the person.
     
  13. McLaren

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    Why is it everything you accuse others of, you're as guilty. You're the one who couldn't accept GT Sport criticism without claiming all the Amazon reviews on the game were fake....
     
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    Thank you for the netiquette reminder I will remember it next time.


    I don't feel a citation is needed on my behalf when Imarobot is the one who has been imagining FM8. Thats good If they are still working on forza 7, I have already read the article.

    As for the Forza Horizon vs Forza 7 are you basing this on Imorobot's twisted assumption of my statement? certain things he say I don't respond to because of this reason. But to clarify; I think that Forza horizon 4 could better fit to prevail in popularity and sales than FM7 but not at all in competition with each other.

    Thinly veiled attacks? I'm very happy to see someone put an end to attacking the person and not the point.
    are you referring to attacks such as "you are a sad person" instead of describing a state of feeling, name calling on the 'person' is implied here?




    Quote me where I said "All" Amazon reviews were faked. I have never assumed 'All' were faked reviews, don't build a false narrative on me. I assumed some reviews were faked because they seemed to beg people not to buy GTS. I felt it was not mainly about GTS vs FM7 but more about a xbox vs PS fan war. So yeah, I handle the criticism but I gave my opinion as well.
     
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  15. McLaren

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    If you insist, b/c there certainly was no "some".
    This was your reaction to the game having a 2/5 Star rating. But because your view is the only one that holds true, you took issue with others giving a negative review and said people just made accounts to downfall it, even though Scaff pointed out you had to be a verified purchaser to leave a review meaning those people bought the game.

    "Wow, I hate the game so much I'm gonna buy it just so I can leave a bad review." That's beyond stupid. :dunce:
     
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    I'm going to stop you right there. If you don't feel a citation is necessary, then don't make baseless claims along the lines of FM7 marks the end of the Motorsport series and all variations thereof. It's a simple request really: back up what you put down into text, or refrain from doing so altogether.
     
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    I wonder, do fake reviews include 10/10 ones mere hours after a game releases?
     
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    If people took everything in life as seriously as their favorite videogames, we'd probably have solved 95% of humanity's problems...
     
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    Again you are twisting things to fit your false narrative.
    You don't have to be a verified purchaser in order to write a review but you have to purchase in order to have 'verified purchase' written on your review.

    Very funny, But GTS hit the numbers like a 10/10 racing game should. The best reviews are watching the actual gameplay video from a user's perspective (twitch or youtube). Slipstream, I think you could have given GTS a few more points higher in the 'value for your money' but a few people here built you up a nice little narrative in hopes to alter your perspective to deflate the game. Apparently, quality is not as valuable as quantity in your perspective. but I think the quality of GTS is what blessed it with high sales.
     
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    Those are your words. The one with the false narrative is the one believes everyone lined up on Amazon to write a fake review because their game isn't sitting about 3/5 stars.
     
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    One time, I liked a game, but then my friend didn't like it and so we fought over it to the death until only one of us survived. Panting over the body of my fallen foe, i stared at my hands covered in blood and wondered what i'd done, was it really worth it? Was shaq fu actually a bad game like he claimed it was? I contemplated what my life would look like going forward...oh no wait.

    i'm remembering it wrong.

    we actually just agreed to disagree and then never thought about it again after returning the game to blockbuster.

    Things were so different in the 90's.....
     
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    So, if GTS was a 10/10 when it launched, what's up with all those updates I've heard about? :odd:
     
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    Northstar, very good. Your right it does not deserve a 10/10 as a whole at release. Some reviews hold more weight than others. For an instance, An Angry Joe review score would have more validity than one single meteoritic user score except when you add up every persons score and find a median score.
     
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    So it’s weird that you’re arguing for that point and against it at the same time.
     
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    I see you’re still conflating review scores with sales figures.

    :lol:

    It’s amazing the stories you tell yourself to explain away people having different opinions to your own. Whether it’s the bogeyman of “paid reviews” — again, only with differing opinions to your own, never any that mirror yours — or suggesting I can’t come up with a review score on my own, it’s borderline delusional.

    Fun fact: the GTS score — and in fact, every review score for games — was discussed amongst the entire editorial team.

    Quality is what kept Sport’s score as high as it was. The game at launch was far, far smaller than what else was out there.

    As an aside: the name is literally on the screen. It really shouldn’t be too difficult.
     
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    I think it was the Gran Turismo name that blessed the game with high sales.
     
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    Man. I remember when the PS4 came out and i was like "i'll buy one when they make Gran Turismo 7"

    Then I bought an Xbox to play Forza.

    I played GT sport. It wasn't worth the purchase of a second console for me. Don't get me wrong i'd own it in a heartbeat if I already had a PS4, but its not a platform seller for me like Forza 4 was (originally owned a PS3, had to buy an Xbox 360 for forza 4)

    Maybe i'm in the minority, but i prefer 'quantity' over 'quality' ....to a point. I remember Kaz getting killed for the non-premium models in GT5. I didn't love them, but absolutely agreed that it was the right move, better a bunch of cars than a few really nice ones.

    I still remember being in 7th grade and seeing a tiny screen cap in GamePro magazine. It was a screen cap of an upcoming racing game. What blew me away was the car that was featured in that postage stamp sized picture. It was unmistakably an acura integra. I couldn't believe my eyes, a racing game that was going to contain real, normal cars; cars i could someday hope to own. I counted down the days until Gran Turismo would release and begged my mom to take me to the mall to pick up a copy of the game and a dual shock analog controller the day it came out.

    For me, its always been about the cars and the car variety. I'd drive every car in the world if i had the time and resources to do so. Honestly, Forza and GT are the next best thing. So yeah. When GT Sport came out with...not that many cars, that....didnt have that many tuning options, i tuned myself right out.

    AlsohottakeGT5wasthebestever.

    But that's what I like about these games. Everyone is allowed to like them for their own reasons in their own ways. Or not like them for that matter. Lord knows, the latest Forza and GT games both have their flaws.
     
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    So this thread was revived and just continues to deliver :lol:
     
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    Forza Motorsport, the only series to be continuing the gameplay style popularised by Gran Turismos 1 through 6. A memory of the past.

    The Gran Turismo that people grew up with and loved is a memory of the past. All we have now is iRacing: Gran Turismo edition. Forza Motorsport is keeping the Gran Turismo dream alive when even Polyphony won't.

    For all its problems, and there are many, Forza Motorsport 7 is the best Gran Turismo game available.
     
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    I also don't see this recipe getting old or a memory of the past: Many cars, many tracks, car collecting, racing of predominantly street legal cars
    Yes we have a few sort of hybrid games out there but the classic car collection and real racing tracks formula still is alive, it's just the way how Forza 7 handles it where i think it falls a bit flat. I for example don't find the game to be graphically top of the class, which these games actually used to be. GT or Forza were always top notch when it came to graphics and sounds (Forza at least soundwise), now we have racing games with better sounds (R3E), better visuals overall (not saying every aspect) (PCars2 or AC on PC on Ultra). There was even a time when Forza and GT physics were regarded as actually good simulator physics. This time is also gone. So what i think is that it's not a problem of the formula of these games, it's a problem of their quality. Competition got bigger and better while Forza has not improved within the formula. GT Sport tried and it was somewhat successful i'd say. But still, people want a real GT game.