Ford Mustang Thread: 2011 General Talk

[Tornado]

The biggest difference between the old Shelby and the 2011 Shelby is the new car has an aluminum block engine, so the engine in general is something like 100 pounds lighter than before. It also has 10 more horsepower, (550) for whatever difference that would make.


But regardless, new or old, the current GT would most likely waste a GT500 around most tracks, so it doesn't really matter how fast a GT500 is in relation to an M3.

 

[The Outlaw]

It doesn't have to share any parts for it to have helped develop the 302. The video posted about the Boss 302 unveiling has the engineers & whoever, saying they used the Boss 302R to dial in on how to develop the 302 road car.

IMO, that's just typical manufacturer/PR talk to hype up their product. Any respectable tuner could do the same very thing Ford has done with the new BOSS 302 without competing in Grand-AM for multiple years with new platform. Having a highly tuned Mustang myself and being fairly knowledgeable in regards to the new S197 platform, I don't see how most of the parts on the Boss Grand-AM race car would help Ford with the development of the street car, especially when you look at the technicalities and the purpose of the modifications done to each variant (street/race).

Back to your original comment:

It better considering that they used a race car for a nearly a whole racing season to develop it.

The production BOSS 302 is more or less a byproduct (more in the theme than anything else) of their Grand-AM program. I wouldn't go as far as to say they have been competing in Grand-AM with the S197 platform just so they could develop the street variant of the BOSS 302, as your comment alludes to.

I thought the 2011 had a much lighter engine with the wustite-coated cylinders and all that.

The engine is roughly 90lbs lighter due to the use of an Aluminum block vs. Iron block.

 

[Keef]

It's the 2010 model with the 5.4ltr 540bhp engine. Don't know if that's the very latest one?

The 2010 model was a pig. The 2011 model has lost 120 pounds total, mostly due to an aluminum block over the front axle. Less weight, no more on-track heat soak, much better balanced car, much quicker car. Nine seconds quicker at VIR actually. Mind you, it's a long lap at 2:58, but it's still a pretty serious improvement. I'm not sure if the European magazines typically get late access to new American cars, but either way I doubt they'd be excited to find a Mustang competing with an M3, and the GT500 beating it.

 

[Paulie]

I'd like to see the Boss 302 up against the M3 GTS now, I suppose the GTS would take that easily, but I still want to see it. I also think the 335i would easily take the V6 Mustang, the 335i will have too much turbocharged pulling power all the way through the rpm range.

 

[TheCracker]

The 2010 model was a pig. The 2011 model has lost 120 pounds total, mostly due to an aluminum block over the front axle. Less weight, no more on-track heat soak, much better balanced car, much quicker car. Nine seconds quicker at VIR actually. Mind you, it's a long lap at 2:58, but it's still a pretty serious improvement. I'm not sure if the European magazines typically get late access to new American cars, but either way I doubt they'd be excited to find a Mustang competing with an M3, and the GT500 beating it.

I don't think any Mustangs are sold officially in Europe, certainly aren't in the UK. There are plenty of imports but they're always considered a bit of a curiosity since there's nothing you can fairly compare them to over here, especially with exchange rates etc.

 

[YSSMAN]

Ford should get on it, I believe Chevrolet is going to be bringing in RHD Camaros next year.

 

[McLaren]

IMO, that's just typical manufacturer/PR talk to hype up their product. Any respectable tuner could do the same very thing Ford has done with the new BOSS 302 without competing in Grand-AM for multiple years with new platform. Having a highly tuned Mustang myself and being fairly knowledgeable in regards to the new S197 platform, I don't see how most of the parts on the Boss Grand-AM race car would help Ford with the development of the street car, especially when you look at the technicalities and the purpose of the modifications done to each variant (street/race).

You & every other Mustang owner in Dallas....

Sorry if I'm more inclined to believe a 302R engineer who says they used the race car to figure out how they should properly the develop the 302 than another 1 of the countless, modified Mustang owners since you didn't get what I was saying.

Back to your original comment:


The production BOSS 302 is more or less a byproduct (more in the theme than anything else) of their Grand-AM program. I wouldn't go as far as to say they have been competing in Grand-AM with the S197 platform just so they could develop the street variant of the BOSS 302, as your comment alludes to.

What I meant is what I just told you in the post following that & above. They claim the 302R helped them to decide on how they should properly build the 302. I apologize for mis-wording my previous post.

That's really all I have to say. :/

 

[The Outlaw]

You & every other Mustang owner in Dallas....

Thanks for the snide remark It means A LOT coming from you

Sorry if I'm more inclined to believe a 302R engineer who says they used the race car to figure out how they should properly the develop the 302 than another 1 of the countless, modified Mustang owners since you didn't get what I was saying.

Hey, if you want to fall victim to being naive...have at it.

What I meant is what I just told you in the post following that & above. They claim the 302R helped them to decide on how they should properly build the 302. I apologize for mis-wording my previous post.

That's really all I have to say :/.

*yawn*

 

[McLaren]

Thanks for the snide remark It means A LOT coming from you

Only for you Mustang owners.

 

[Omnis]

What does the Boss 302 mean for the new Bullitt? Assuming they even make another one of course.

 

[Tornado]

If Ford had a pair, they would pull the supercharger off the GT500 and call that the Bullit. It makes no sense and would probably be slower than the GT, but it would be hella cool.

 

[JCE]

Only for you Mustang owners.

You're not going to treat me that way when I buy my Terminator are you?

 

[McLaren]

You're not going to treat me that way when I buy my Terminator are you?

As long as you aren't like the ones I've encountered in Dallas who believe they are Mustang Gurus.

 

[The Outlaw]

So you find the need to disrespect and look down upon anyone knowledgeable on the subject of Mustangs...that's cool 👍

 

[McLaren]

So you find the need to disrespect and look down upon anyone knowledgeable on the subject of Mustangs...that's cool 👍

Only when they act as if they know better than someone else who has proven, first hand knowledge, which pretty much sums up nearly all Dallas Mustang owners.
Does your job involve running & maintaining a Mustang race car? Do you have first hand knowledge on how the 302 was developed? Have you had a chance to inspect it yet?

If no, why should I take your words as the truth over the guy who does work on the 302? B/c you have a modified Mustang, just like how many thousands of other people?

I'm fairly knowledgeable on Lamborghini's & have had some seat time. Would you believe me if I said the guy who actually builds them is wrong about something he clearly does for a living? Get my point, or do you have the same stubborn-ness the Dallas owners do, too?

 

[The Outlaw]

Only when they act as if they know better than someone else who has proven, first hand knowledge, which pretty much sums up nearly all Dallas Mustang owners.

If you want to believe everything manufacturers claim and then take it in as the holy grail, that's fine with me. At the end of the day it's your loss by being naive, not mine.

I sure didn't believe Porsche when they claimed the GT-R lapped the Ring in something like 10 seconds slower than the 997 Turbo, in their own little "the GT-R can't be quicker than the 997 Turbo around the Ring, we claim BS" private testing.

Does your job involve running & maintaining a Mustang race car? Do you have first hand knowledge on how the 302 was developed? Have you had a chance to inspect it yet?

I have all I need to compare the parts list between the 302R and street variant of the 302. The race car and street car share very few add-on parts (from a stock GT) but these are very simple pieces like upper 3rd link for the solid rear axle, which doesn't take a multi million dollar race team to develop Even at that, the aftermarket S197 community still manufacturers suchs pieces as the 3rd link which are superior performing (in all aspects) to the Ford Motorsports pieces. But don't take my word for it

To continue, I don't see how one can compare or relate a 3-way adjustable Racing Dynamic coilover system specifically designed and tuned for each race track with a non-coilover 1-way adjustable absorbers from Gabriel (a completely different company) and say they used the race car to develop the dampening and spring rates for the street car which has completely different requirements. Same goes for such things as the exhaust systems, wheels, brakes, etc.

If no, why should I take your words as the truth over the guy who does work on the 302? B/c you have a modified Mustang, just like how many thousands of other people?

I'm fairly knowledgeable on Lamborghini's & have had some seat time. Would you believe me if I said the guy who actually builds them is wrong about something he clearly does for a living? Get my point, or do you have the same stubborn-ness the Dallas owners do, too?

That's beyond my point. Ford did a decent job (I'm being generous) with the modifications to the Boss 302, but to say they used the 302R for a year to develop the street version of the 302 (as you and Ford claim) means VERY little (PR hype as I originally said) if you know the deeper technical differences between the two cars.

 

[McLaren]

If you want to believe everything manufacturers claim and then take it in as the holy grail, that's fine with me. At the end of the day it's your loss, not mine.

I never said I did. But it's a guy who worked on the car versus a guy who didn't.

Either way, my issue was more of you coming to your conclusion just because you owned a Mustang & being "fairly knowledgeable". Like I said, Dallas owners use that same reasoning for questioning other people's thoughts on Mustangs.

I have all I need to compare the parts list between the 302R and street variant of the 302. The race car and street car share very few add-on parts (from a stock GT) but these are very simple peices like upper 3rd link for the solid rear axle, which you don't need a multi million dollar race team to develop Even at that, the aftermarket S197 community still manufacturers suchs pecies as the 3rd link wich are superior performing (in all aspects) to the Ford Motorsports peices. But don't take my word for it

As I corrected myself before on him not actually saying parts, he did say they used the 302R as a tool on how they should develop the road car since they wanted to do the 302 "right". There is a difference between that & actually using the parts, one I should have paid more attention to, the first time.

 

[YSSMAN]

If Ford had a pair, they would pull the supercharger off the GT500 and call that the Bullit. It makes no sense and would probably be slower than the GT, but it would be hella cool.

Honestly, they don't need to do a Bullit. They just need to sell the damn thing in Highland Green.

 

[JCE]

Honestly, they don't need to do a Bullit. They just need to sell the damn thing in Highland Green.

+1 Absolutely.

 

[YSSMAN]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ford offer the car in Highland Green up until the New Edge models came along?

 

[JCE]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ford offer the car in Highland Green up until the New Edge models came along?

Not "Dark Highland Green" no but a color that's pretty damn close. That's "Deep Forest Green", a great color BTW.

1994-1998 Mustang colors

For reference:
1999 Mustang colors
2000 Mustang colors
2001 Mustang colors
2002 Mustang colors
2003 Mustang colors
2004 Mustang colors

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God everytime I see a Bullitt, Terminator or Mach 1 SN95 I want one so badly.

 

[Tornado]

Mustangs currently have sequential turn signals? That is awesome.

 

[JCE]

Mustangs currently have sequential turn signals? That is awesome.

Yup, and it does rock.

 

[Tornado]

I would have thought there would be some sort of sissy, socialist "lighting standards law" like the ones that made flip ups go away. I mean, sequential turn signals? Why do people even look at Challengers and Camaros on dealer lots?

 

[Omnis]

Am I the only one that wishes the new mustangs had ambers?

 

[astrosdude91]

When I first saw the sequential tail lights on the new Mustang, I thought it was an aftermarket mod. They do look sweet!

 

[JCE]

I would have thought there would be some sort of sissy, socialist "lighting standards law" like the ones that made flip ups go away. I mean, sequential turn signals? Why do people even look at Challengers and Camaros on dealer lots?

Seriously, those two are cool and all but the Mustang is Subzero. Sequential turn signals...that's just awsome.

Am I the only one that wishes the new mustangs had ambers?

Photoshop one up so we can see what it would look like. I bet it would look ok.

When I first saw the sequential tail lights on the new Mustang, I thought it was an aftermarket mod. They do look sweet!

The first time I saw it in person was actually on a Terminator Cobra about 6 years or so ago.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Chalk this up to potential old-person-crazy-talk, but when I mentioned how the '10+ Mustangs have sequentials to my dad (in an effort to sway his planned purchase of a sports car of that class in 2 years), he mentioned that an older muscle car back in the 60's or 70's had it too. I always wondered why they weren't more popular.

On a similar note, BMW experimented with brake lights that changed their intensity depending on pedal pressure. While I see the problem there (braking lightly would hardly illuminate anything), tweaking the formula could work. Using the Mustang's taillights as an example, light braking uses one bar; medium, two; full on emergency stop uses three?

 

[buickgnx88]

The late 60's Shelbys had the sequentials, as well as the late 60's Mercury Cougars.

 

[ND4SPD]

Speaking of Mustangs, might be ditching my 5.0....Will know by tomorrow hopefully. The chance to purchase an 04 Competition orange GT coupe just popped up.......Competition orange is now my favourite Mustang colour!

Only problem is that competition orange comes out horrible in pictures! Most of the time they look red! Here's a picture of the actual car and see how red it looks in the picture.....


When in reality, it looks like this....