Ford Mustang Thread: 2011 General Talk

[Tornado]

You could make a tank of a car that would crush all other cars in its path, but would perform horribly in a crash with a solid object because the passengers would be splattered throughout the interior of the vehicle as there would be nothing to absorb the impact.

I acknowledge that, I believe.



Back to the Mustang, what excuse do you think Ford will use to not put IRS in it this time?

Didn't the older Cobra Mustang come with a DOHC?

Yes. So did the Mach 1. That is why they revved better than the 3-valve engine currently in the Mustang GT, but had roughly the same power.

 

[Gashlycrumb]

My money is on them claiming they have built the only "true" muscle car by keeping it real and eschewing IRS.

 

[YSSMAN]

We'll have to see on the IRS issue. Given that both the Camaro and Challenger will have an IRS setup, Ford wouldn't be dumb enough to make the same mistake again. I mean, sure, the LRA has its quirky advantages (many of which I do understand and support), but at the same time, the car needs to keep pace with the others.

...In all, we don't even know that much about this new platform...

 

[Casio]

Why would Honda make the new Accord 10% larger?

Because Americans have got 10% fatter from when they designed the last one.

 

[GT Pro]

Because Americans have got 10% fatter from when they designed the last one.

That doesn't surprise me.

 

[Onikaze]

Regarding the Muscle Car Wars...

I kind of thought the SUV was occupying that spot.

Big, Roomy, V-8, has that whole "king of the road" feel when you drive it, but more or less useless.

The Mustang is a Pony Car, lol, not a Muscle Car.

A Falcon with a big V-8 would be a muscle car.

Regarding Carbon Fiber, you realise the stuff is layed by hand onto molds, layers of resin are applied by hand, and then it is all vacuum compressed, AND THEN baked, until this is automated, it will always be a high priced material.

Regarding the big heavy vs little light argument, you could theoretically make a little car out of effectively unbreakable materials, but as was pointed out, if you didn't have some way to deal with inertia, YOU would be your own inertial dampener.

Take a Thermos.

Try to break it.

Put an Egg in the Thermos.

Drop the Thermos and see what happens.

 

[JCE]

We'll have to see on the IRS issue. Given that both the Camaro and Challenger will have an IRS setup, Ford wouldn't be dumb enough to make the same mistake again. I mean, sure, the LRA has its quirky advantages (many of which I do understand and support), but at the same time, the car needs to keep pace with the others.

...In all, we don't even know that much about this new platform...

Thing is, the Mustang GT (due to its price) is the best all-around coupe on the market for the price. It handles better than people are giving it credit for, JUST BECAUSE it doesn't have the fancy-smancy IRS doesn't automatically make it rubbish. While my opinion differs for the ZO6 due to price--the same can't be said for the Mustang. Its a fantastic car for the value and until the everyone in the rest of the world gets their collective heads out of theirs asses and has an open mind it will continue to be America's little secret.

Because Americans have got 10% fatter from when they designed the last one.

That doesn't surprise me.

You two need to get over it, seriously. I'm sick and tired of hearing obvious hatred. And before you go off thinking I'm just another "fat" American--I'm German. So get off your hatred or don't post it. Jokes or not either way your anti-(another country) attitude is inflammatory and shouldn't be tolerated.

 

[Casio]

You two need to get over it, seriously. I'm sick and tired of hearing obvious hatred. And before you go off thinking I'm just another "fat" American--I'm German. So get off your hatred or don't post it. Jokes or not either way your anti-(another country) attitude is inflammatory and shouldn't be tolerated.

It's not hatred. Take a joke, jeez. In any case statistically, with 66% of Americans overweight then car obviously will be designed to be larger then they would have 15 years ago when the number was about half that.

 

[Prosthetic]

It's not hatred. Take a joke, jeez. In any case statistically, with 66% of Americans overweight then car obviously will be designed to be larger then they would have 15 years ago when the number was about half that.

I have been all over America, and I would have to say that all these fat comments are total bull crap. Remember America is a melting pot, so a lot of these people that are also overweight, ARE NOT AMERICANS. I remember Clarkson on Top Gear saying people in San Fransisico weigh the same as an SUV. Well if you have ever spent more then 10 seconds in there you would realize that the population of this area of California are, Asian, Hispanic, or African-America, and well of coarse about the Caucasian are similar numbers, so I think it's pretty even amongst the world. Yes weight is a problem, it's a problem globally.

And this "Joke" has been taken to far so please don't go any further.

On Topic:

I think the Mustang is one of the only "True" modern muscle cars. To me the Corvette has more of a sports car/race car feel to me. And doesn't have the looks of the muscle car, it's to aerodynamic, to light, to much necessary things to make the thing go around a track bloody fast. Wile the Stang still posses the looks and simplicity of a classic American muscle car. It's a cruiser, not a racer, and I think thats forgotten today. But granted on the way we are headed, we don't need many muscle cars. I say keep the looks, and keep the power in the 300hp range, make them simple (no need for 200 different settings for the gearbox) but make them a whole lot lighter so it will be easy on the gas. So if Ford can keep the Stang simple like the old ones, it will be one killer of a car. And it will sell like popcorn in a theater.

 

[Jim Prower]

you know what, I'm fine with it, as I'm thin and I'm not willing to take offense if the britons decide poke fun at fat americans. But, I suppose, It is rather mean spirited international humor, and the wrong person can take offense.

On topic: I'm really beginning to regret mentioning that the 'Stang mule looked bigger to me.

I'm at least hoping for a competitive engine. I know that Ford's modular "Cammers" haven't been competitive with Chevrolet's LS and LT series engines. If the Mustang GT engine is not at least as powerful as whatever the Z-28 has, we'll have the situation we had back in '02, back when the Camaro left us...

a lopsided matchup.

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm at least hoping for a competitive engine. I know that Ford's modular "Cammers" haven't been competitive with Chevrolet's LS and LT series engines. If the Mustang GT engine is not at least as powerful as whatever the Z-28 has, we'll have the situation we had back in '02, back when the Camaro left us...

Lets hope the "Hurricane" V8 makes it into full-production, although, without things like E85 capability and cylinder-deactivation, they're likely to fall behind... Particularly if GM gets around to putting DIG on the LS-series as well.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I have been all over America, and I would have to say that all these fat comments are total bull crap. Remember America is a melting pot, so a lot of these people that are also overweight, ARE NOT AMERICANS.

Er... if you're a citizen, you're American. Or am I missing something? I suppose I'll leave it at that though, that comment has the potential to be taken very, very poorly.

Anywho, I wouldn't mind seeing the 'Stang a bit lighter in the next form. The chassis is a mutation of the old S-Type/LS one, right? I'm wondering if a shorter, cheaper version of the new XF's could be used, as it's basically a carry-over as well. I wouldn't even mind seeing the Mustang become the more... "dainty" of the muscle cars, like the originals. Nothing so bloated, the GT500 weighs more than it did back in its original iteration!

 

[Jim Prower]

Except, I don't think Ford owns that much of Jaguar, anymore. it's now owned by Tata.

*snicker*

 

[Joey D]

It's funny, Americans are fat, quit taken everything so seriously.

Any ways, will they be bringing the car to North American International Auto Show in Detroit? Or is that to soon to be bringing the car out?

 

[YSSMAN]

Its safe to assume that the production 2009 Camaro shows up in Detroit this year, I don't see why it would be any different for a 2009 production Mustang. Maybe-ish. They've got one more year on the car... It will probably be fanfare for the Mach 1 iteration.

 

[Tornado]

Thing is, the Mustang GT (due to its price) is the best all-around coupe on the market for the price.

*cough* *cough* 350Z *cough* *cough*

That being said, I would rather have the Mustang anyways, but the "best all-around coupe" assertion is quite a tall order.

 

[JCE]

*cough* *cough* 350Z *cough* *cough*

That being said, I would rather have the Mustang anyways, but the "best all-around coupe" assertion is quite a tall order.

Insurance is cheaper with the GT than the Z--that and I can get a GT cheaper. If the Z and GT were the same price I'd choose the Z. 👍

 

[Tornado]

Insurance is cheaper with the GT than the Z--that and I can get a GT cheaper.

I thought they were both around $27,000?

 

[YSSMAN]

*cough* *cough* 350Z *cough* *cough*

That being said, I would rather have the Mustang anyways, but the "best all-around coupe" assertion is quite a tall order.

QFT!

The Mustang wins on personality, IMO. It may not be as fast, but it looks good and drives well, and by-God you can't fault the V8.

Throw the Challenger, Camaro, Solstice Coupe, etc into that field and it only gets more mixed-up...

 

[JCE]

The Mustang wins on personality, IMO. It may not be as fast, but it looks good and drives well, and by-God you can't fault the V8.

350Z is only faster on a track, the Mustang GT beats it in acceleration.

 

[YSSMAN]

Spy shots of the production 2009 Chevy Camaro and 2010 Ford Mustang GT in the same day? It's like these two pony cars have started competing for mindshare before a single one's been built. All the better for us, however, as in addition to the Camaro testers that were just caught on camera, we also get to glimpse the new Mustang GT that will arrive a year after the new bow tie brawler. Ford is playing it smart and will steal some of the Camaro's (and Dodge Challenger's) limelight with this mid-cycle enhancement when it appears in late 2009 as a 2010 model. From these spy shots, however, we can see that the changes are more than a nip/tuck. The 2010 Mustang will sport all-new front and rear fascias, so expect new headlights, a new grille, new taillights, etc. In fact, from what we can see of the high-tech looking headlights on this tester, it appears that the front-end will be carrying design cues from the Guigiaro Mustang Concept, which is a good thing. Check out more angles of the car in our gallery below and let us know what you think in the comments.

(BTW: Thats what Michigan looks like in the winter. It sucks...)

Looks like this one is progressing well, as I do hope that it looks more like the Guigiaro concept... An evolution of sorts on the current body style. We'll see of course, I do wonder if this will debut at the 2008 NAIAS or not...

 

[Jim Prower]

It does look very good from what can be seen, if a startling bit like the '69-'70 models that proceeded the '64.5-'67 cars the current 'stang takes inspiration from. Let's just hope with the mileage laws due in a few years that we don't get another Mustang II. and then a Fox body, in through the '90s, and into a vicious, 40-year cycle...

Interesting taillights, seems that they may be designed for orange turn signals, thus export markets?

 

[Alex.]

I hope it looks like the guigaro aswell. The old mustangs seemed to look thinner and sportier, but now theyre like alot taller and chunkier. I'm no mustang fan but This thing needs to cut down on the pies.

 

[Jim Prower]

It's all about side-impact nowadays. back then, front impact technology was just starting to be implimented (Buckle up for safety!)

 

[ND4SPD]

Looks like its wearing a shelby front end now with that angle on the grill connecting with the headlights.

 

[TopHat]

It feels like 1967.

 

[bennyrrr]

Pray to whatever god you pray to that Ford will grow a spine and put in independent rear suspension

 

[Jim Prower]

I just noticed a trailer hitch on that mule. Now, what's that about?

 

[Gashlycrumb]

They often use trailers to simulate high load stresses on cars. Particularly during take off and high speed runs.

 

[Tornado]

It looks a lot less chunky and tall than the current Mustang does, and I do see Guigiaro in the front end. I wonder what the back end will be like.