Formula 1 FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO HEINEKEN D'ITALIA 2017

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  1. Eva

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    Half the field is going to be starting on the start straight. The other half will be starting in Narnia.
     
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  2. Tired Tyres

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    The latter being the ones that will make it through the first chicane intact.
     
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  3. Eva

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    Not a guarantee. Both Toro Rossos are starting in Narnia.

    EDIT: Official Starting Grid
    1st: Lewis Hamilton
    2nd: Lance Stroll
    3rd: Esteban Ocon
    4th: Valterri Bottas
    5th: Kimi Raikkonen
    6th: Sebastian Vettel
    7th: Felipe Massa
    8th: Daniil Kvyat
    9th: Kevin Magnussen
    10th: Sergio Perez
    11th: Marcus Ericcson
    12th: Pascal Wehrlein
    13th: Max Verstappen
    14th: Nico Hulkenburg
    15th: Carlos Sainz
    16th: Daniel Ricciardo
    17th: Jolyon Palmer
    18th: Stoffel Vandoorne
    19th: Fernando Alonso
    20th: Romain Grosjean
     
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  4. Famine

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    Here's what I understand about grid penalties...

    They are applied to your qualifying position to give you a grid place, and grid places are then ranked to give the grid slot.

    So the qualifying positions were:

    1. Hamilton
    2. Verstappen
    3. Ricciardo
    4. Stroll
    5. Ocon
    6. Bottas
    7. Raikkonen
    8. Vettel
    9. Massa
    10. Vandoorne
    11. Perez
    12. Hulkenberg
    13. Alonso
    14. Kvyat
    15. Sainz
    16. Magnussen
    17. Palmer
    18. Ericsson
    19. Wehrlein
    20. Grosjean*

    *Grosjean was outside 107%, so he cannot start ahead of anyone who qualified. His grid slot is 20.

    Six drivers then have penalties applied. Alonso is +35, Ricciardo is +25, Verstappen is +20, Palmer is +15, Hulkenberg is +10 and Sainz is +10, giving:

    1. Hamilton
    4. Stroll
    5. Ocon
    6. Bottas
    7. Raikkonen
    8. Vettel
    9. Massa
    10. Vandoorne
    11. Perez
    14. Kvyat
    16. Magnussen
    18. Ericsson
    19. Wehrlein
    22a. Verstappen*
    22b. Hulkenberg*
    25. Sainz
    28. Ricciardo
    32. Palmer
    48. Alonso
    20. Grosjean

    *I think this is because Verstappen took his penalty first.

    Since then, three other drivers have taken penalties. Vandoorne is now +25, Perez is +5 and Grosjean has, irrelevantly, taken +5. That now gives:

    1. Hamilton
    4. Stroll
    5. Ocon
    6. Bottas
    7. Raikkonen
    8. Vettel
    9. Massa
    14. Kvyat
    16a. Magnussen*
    16b. Perez*
    18. Ericsson
    19. Wehrlein
    22a. Verstappen
    22b. Hulkenberg
    25. Sainz
    28. Ricciardo
    32. Palmer
    35. Vandoorne
    48. Alonso
    20. Grosjean

    *Magnussen was in 16th first, because he qualified there.

    And that should give the starting grid posted by @Eva... *crosses fingers*

    BOO YAH!
     
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  5. mustafur

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    Weird because Renault applied first(apparently hours after Spa), does it go to the first car to leave the pit lane in FP1?
     
  6. Eva

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    Yes. Then it goes by order applied after qualifying.
     
  7. Milouse

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    Thanks, i was wondering why he's starting last (he looked surprised too).
    I don't understand why he has been applied this 107% rule knowing he just had set the 3rd time when he lost the car. The 107% rules has been created to avoid moving chicanes, and is not supposed to be applied blindly.
     
  8. IforceV8

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    Any chance this is a 2 stopper since the track is green after the rain?
     
  9. NW48

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    Pretty tame start given the mixed up grid, in all honesty.

    EDIT- More bad luck for Verstappen.
     
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  10. Grayfox

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    Max must've been cruel to puppies in a previous life to get such bad luck
     
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  11. Liquid

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    Verstappen.

    No luck.
     
  12. dingodile_r89

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    RIP Max, again.
     
  13. Demon Drone

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    Cars are really strung out already.
     
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  14. Lord Kacperov

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    Raikkonen may already have a problem, according to a team radio a few laps ago.
     
  15. Betty blue

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    Max has really no one to blame but himself. He's too aggressive.
     
  16. Mike-ZENKAI

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    Great start for Max untill the bump with Massa.

    Mercedes disappearing into the distance.
     
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  17. niky

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    Those Ferraris are looking mighty slow in a straight line.

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    Or perhaps Merc's new engines are making extra power by burning oil. Ferrari do have the pace to mug the Merc customer teams in a straight fight.

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    Going to be a long, frustrating afternoon for Vettel. Damage minimized by getting up to third, but he is still going to lose the championship lead this afternoon.
     
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    Danny-Boy: "I like them vulnerable."

    Man, them Aussies...
     
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  19. Grayfox

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    Riccardo: I like them vulnerable
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  20. Spurgy 777

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    I don't see how it's his fault that Massa ran him out of space.
     
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  21. mustafur

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    It was a racing incident, but a more experienced racer may of pulled out if they didn't approach the corner without the overlap being on the outside.
     
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  22. Grayfox

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    The curse of Alonso?
     
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  23. Lord Kacperov

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    Palmer has retired because of some unknown issue.
     
  24. superwally

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    KMag and Hulkenberg have been within a second or so of one another for a dozen laps, but not one second of it has been on TV...

    ...and a couple minutes later, here it is.
     
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    I'd need to see another angle but it looked like Verstappen was slightly ahead going into the chicane so he shouldn't be expected back out because he would have to slow down way too much. Massa looked to take the corner as if Verstappen wasn't even there and didn't even attempt to give space.
     
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  26. niky

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    Alonso has no battery.

    Seems like Stoffel has no engine, either. Surprised he's just idling around and they're still sending him back out.

    EDIT: He's out.
     
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  27. Demon Drone

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    Another race, another failure for Honda. Biggest joke in F1 right now.
     
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  28. Dhalism

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    Hard to say from that angle whether Massa pushed him out too far but when the actual collision occurs Max is off track, the collision is entirely his fault.
     
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    Vandoorne gets the newest spec engine in his car this very weekend and it fails. Critically.

    What is Honda's problem? What do Honda do wrong that Renault, Mercedes-Benz and Ferrari do right?
     
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  30. Bram Turismo

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    Such a shame, Stoffel was driving a great race until his car failed him.
     
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