Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2011

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My predictions/pot stirring:

Qualy:
1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Vettel

Race:
1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Button
 
My prediction?

Kobayashi blows us all away. Three races later, he's picked up by a works team. Probably Renault.

Looking forward to the race :D
 
So you're just completely ignoring everything that has happened this season ... why, exactly? To embarrass yourself?

Alonso won't win. And if he does, you can at least bet that a Red Bull will be in the top three.
 
So you're just completely ignoring everything that has happened this season ... why, exactly? To embarrass yourself?

Alonso won't win. And if he does, you can at least bet that a Red Bull will be in the top three.

Oh... you're from the future then. Can I go ahead and get next weeks lottery numbers then?:rolleyes:
 
Lets be honest, what are the chances that anyone will beat both Red Bulls on pace alone? The only chance anyone has at the moment is if they have an awful qualifying, mess up their tyre strategies, or retire. Two of those haven't happened yet, and it took till the last five laps for them to be passed with the other.
 
Qualy:
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Webber/Button

Race:
1.Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Button

It's quite obvious that the Red Bullet is the quickest car in QUALY, however, their race pace has been on par or even worse than the McLaren.
 
Lets be honest, what are the chances that anyone will beat both Red Bulls on pace alone? The only chance anyone has at the moment is if they have an awful qualifying, mess up their tyre strategies, or retire. Two of those haven't happened yet, and it took till the last five laps for them to be passed with the other.

Well, when you look at the track, you just have to say Maclaren. It has 6 high speed sections and no fast corners. I honestly think it will be a Hamilton win. Not just hoping or probably like the last few races.
 
One thing I will never have though is the tail between my legs. 👎

Ok, allow me to correct myself. You are now slightly deflated.

Apologies. But when Anghammarad said Alonso to win, I thought we were in the F1 Fantasy thread, by mistake. :lol:


:lol:

Oh... you're from the future then. Can I go ahead and get next weeks lottery numbers then?:rolleyes:

Interludes wouldn't waste his one visit to the future by giving away the lottery numbers. He has spent many years studying and sacrificing beloved pets in his attempts to go to the future. He only has one chance, so he'll keep the lottery numbers to himself.
 
So you're just completely ignoring everything that has happened this season ... why, exactly? To embarrass yourself?

Alonso won't win. And if he does, you can at least bet that a Red Bull will be in the top three.

It was not a strong circuit for Red Bull last year so we could easily see a change in the usual pecking order in race. There is no corner where the RB7 can use its downforce and DRS advantage in qualifying to make a much bigger gap like with most circuits. Cars with less downforce will be more effective here and I expect Mercedes to be up there. Maybe they could jump Red Bull as well and other teams that could cause problems are Renault and Williams.

It all depends on really if Red Bull will have any extra new parts that reduce drag, or maybe they don't think it is worth investing the time in just for a couple of circuits and build on the strengths on the car more which would leave them maybe vulnerable at Monza again but still quite competitive enough to score a good amount of points.

I'm hoping that none of the front running teams who have an advantage to beat Red Bull this weekend fail to capitalize, that is if there are any teams that will be faster. The RB7 has very good levels of traction and maybe they can fly through the last chicane to give them the advantage, but if we see after Friday Practice, Red Bull drivers surprised by lack of pace, then I will be happy. Chance of keeping the championship more alive.

I can see Ferrari giving up on the championship soon, if they are nowhere in the next few races, especially tracks that require good levels of downforce. With Massa it is unlikely they will get anything higher than 3rd this season in the constructors and if they constantly finish behind the Red Bull and McLaren in the next few races, they will most likely give up on the drivers championship and try and give them a better chance for 2012 and use 2011 as a testing season.
 
I'm hoping that none of the front running teams who have an advantage to beat Red Bull this weekend fail to capitalize, that is if there are any teams that will be faster. The RB7 has very good levels of traction and maybe they can fly through the last chicane to give them the advantage, but if we see after Friday Practice, Red Bull drivers surprised by lack of pace, then I will be happy. Chance of keeping the championship more alive.

Don't be fooled if Red Bull are weak this weekend. If someone beats them here, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be able to beat them elsewhere. Some people foolishly stated that Mclaren had turned things around after shanghai, despite the fact the Red Bull lost the race on strategy. They're still winning the development race. Also, as someone else has stated, Mclaren have equal or superior race pace, so don't be so quick to put down Vettel's performances to "just being about the car".
 
Don't be fooled if Red Bull are weak this weekend. If someone beats them here, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be able to beat them elsewhere. Some people foolishly stated that Mclaren had turned things around after shanghai, despite the fact the Red Bull lost the race on strategy. They're still winning the development race. Also, as someone else has stated, Mclaren have equal or superior race pace, so don't be so quick to put down Vettel's performances to "just being about the car".

I expect them to be strong elsewhere, as you can can clearly see if you read my post. It is one of the few tracks like Monza, can make high downforce cars worse and give others an advantage to catch up or close the gap between the whole field.

McLaren did not turn things around completely in Shanghai but they did win the race. I doubt many people foolishly stated that McLaren are a complete match or overtaken Red Bull after the Shanghai race. But many people thought foolishly that McLaren had caught up the qualifying gap to Red Bull by race two in Sepang but it was just a case of Red Bull being slower, maybe something to do with cooling. About Red Bull losing it on strategy, I disagree on that as the main reason why they did that strategy is because they were behind the McLaren drivers due to the poor start. Vettel for all we know could have finished a few places down if he mirrored Lewis's strategy as it would have required passing other cars such as Button on the same strategy. I can't remember what position Vettel was before making the final stop so what I said just now could be rubbish but I think it was the case if my memory serves me right or at least a possibility with the undercut.

You say Red Bull are still winning the development race, if they have lost their race pace advantage then surely they are losing it as they are being caught up rather than pulling away or at least maintaining their advantage. I think McLaren are similar to Red Bull on race pace but Red Bull still clearly hold a downforce advantage in race and qualifying but with the tyres being so much slower in race with fuel, their race advantage becomes much less and McLaren being quicker in straights closes that gap as they don't have to fly through corners to make their advantage.

It is just Vettel maximizing the potential of the car as much as possible and in every race so far, they had the speed to win every race.
 
I expect them to be strong elsewhere, as you can can clearly see if you read my post. It is one of the few tracks like Monza, can make high downforce cars worse and give others an advantage to catch up or close the gap between the whole field.

McLaren did not turn things around completely in Shanghai but they did win the race. I doubt many people foolishly stated that McLaren are a complete match or overtaken Red Bull after the Shanghai race. But many people thought foolishly that McLaren had caught up the qualifying gap to Red Bull by race two in Sepang but it was just a case of Red Bull being slower, maybe something to do with cooling. About Red Bull losing it on strategy, I disagree on that as the main reason why they did that strategy is because they were behind the McLaren drivers due to the poor start. Vettel for all we know could have finished a few places down if he mirrored Lewis's strategy as it would have required passing other cars such as Button on the same strategy. I can't remember what position Vettel was before making the final stop so what I said just now could be rubbish but I think it was the case if my memory serves me right or at least a possibility with the undercut.

You say Red Bull are still winning the development race, if they have lost their race pace advantage then surely they are losing it as they are being caught up rather than pulling away or at least maintaining their advantage. I think McLaren are similar to Red Bull on race pace but Red Bull still clearly hold a downforce advantage in race and qualifying but with the tyres being so much slower in race with fuel, their race advantage becomes much less and McLaren being quicker in straights closes that gap as they don't have to fly through corners to make their advantage.

It is just Vettel maximizing the potential of the car as much as possible and in every race so far, they had the speed to win every race.

I did read your post. Was just on a semi rant. Not completely at you. However, Vettel is so far ahead, that a 3rd or 4th place finish at a track they expect to be weak at, will do nothing for the championship.

As for the whole shanghai thing, Vettel passed Hamilton, followed button into the pits and emerged ahead. They could easily have changed his strategy at that point to cover the mclarens. He would have won had he used the same strategy. A lot of journalists were quick to praise Mclaren. I remember a few headlines "Hamilton topples Vettel" "Mclaren turn it around" etc.
 
I expect them to be strong elsewhere, as you can can clearly see if you read my post. It is one of the few tracks like Monza, can make high downforce cars worse and give others an advantage to catch up or close the gap between the whole field.

McLaren did not turn things around completely in Shanghai but they did win the race. I doubt many people foolishly stated that McLaren are a complete match or overtaken Red Bull after the Shanghai race. But many people thought foolishly that McLaren had caught up the qualifying gap to Red Bull by race two in Sepang but it was just a case of Red Bull being slower, maybe something to do with cooling. About Red Bull losing it on strategy, I disagree on that as the main reason why they did that strategy is because they were behind the McLaren drivers due to the poor start. Vettel for all we know could have finished a few places down if he mirrored Lewis's strategy as it would have required passing other cars such as Button on the same strategy. I can't remember what position Vettel was before making the final stop so what I said just now could be rubbish but I think it was the case if my memory serves me right or at least a possibility with the undercut.

You say Red Bull are still winning the development race, if they have lost their race pace advantage then surely they are losing it as they are being caught up rather than pulling away or at least maintaining their advantage. I think McLaren are similar to Red Bull on race pace but Red Bull still clearly hold a downforce advantage in race and qualifying but with the tyres being so much slower in race with fuel, their race advantage becomes much less and McLaren being quicker in straights closes that gap as they don't have to fly through corners to make their advantage.

It is just Vettel maximizing the potential of the car as much as possible and in every race so far, they had the speed to win every race.

I'd say this is on point. 👍 McLaren has narrowed the gap on race pace--hopefully they will find the fractions of a second they need at qualifying. But Vettel has displayed incredible talent and consistency thus far.
 
So you're just completely ignoring everything that has happened this season ... why, exactly? To embarrass yourself?.

First off, it's just a harmless prediction. Don't get your panties in a twist as usual just because I said Alonso/Ferrari (the team you love to hate) would win :lol:

On a more serious note - this is a track (like Monza) where pure downforce is not of the upmost importance - meaning, RB are far from being a clear favorite as you imply, especially when it comes to race pace on this low DF/high speed track. Also, Ferrari have some handy upgrades coming for this race that should help their cause (of course assuming that Red Bull don't bring the same amount of improvement). Pirelli will also be bringing the the super soft and soft for this race, which will be of a big benefit to characteristic of the F150 Italia (as it has a hard time getting the harder compounds into their optimum temp. window).

Lastly, it's quite foolish of you to act as some type of authority on the results for this weekends race. I'll be sure to serve you a nice dish of crow if Alonso does win.

Alonso won't win. And if he does, you can at least bet that a Red Bull will be in the top three.

Why say "if he does", when in the same sentence you say "Alonso won't win." Which one is it - He won't win? Or there's a possibility that he will win". You tell me, great one :bowdown:
 
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OK, so Interludes says Alonso won't win, Outlaw says Alonso will win. Someone is correct, I will let you know on Monday who it is.

I think I fall on Interludes' side of the fence, in that it is unlikely that Alonso will win, and equally unlikely that neither Red Bull will be in the top 3. Stranger things have happened though...
 
This should be a great race. It's the first race that requires very, very low downforce. I can't wait to see whose car is suited for it.
 
I think people are getting carried away in their anticipation of a thrilling race. I'm sure it will be good, but I think people are over-stating the effect of tyres.
 
I always love the Canada race, and just rewatched last years!
Sadly, it will probably come out with Vettel on pole and finishing first, but JB, Schumi, Hamilton and Alonso are also world champs, so we better see somebody challenge the Red Bulls.

Hopefully McLaren!
 
I think people are getting carried away in their anticipation of a thrilling race. I'm sure it will be good, but I think people are over-stating the effect of tyres.
I'm just interested to see two DRS zones. They're doing the same thing the next race in Valencia.
 
Just to cut into everyone arguing in here...

I'm fairly excited for this race :) Lots of speed, fast corners, hard braking...action is bound to happen

I'm just super excited I don't have to wake up at 04:30 in the morning to watch it live LOL. I believe FOX is showing it in the USA
 
niky
And in unrelated news, Kobayashi gets signed to a five year deal with Red Bull Racing... :lol:

I can see him racing alongside Vettle, not webber though.
Wish it was true. :(
 
I'm really hoping it is the same as in 2007 and 2010. Lewis Hamilton on Pole then taking the win in the race. Would be better if it was a McLaren 1-2 like last year. :)
 
Tuesday before the race... I'm Australian... Monday - even in Australia....
If you let one under the radar, sooner or later you have to let all under the radar.

I pretty much agree a line should be drawn but rather than make it Tuesday local time for whatever one's local time is, how about we make it midnight Tuesday morning GMT (or UCT if you prefer)?
 
According to BBC, Sergio Perez has passed the FIA test on Thursday and fit to be racing in Montreal.
 
I pretty much agree a line should be drawn but rather than make it Tuesday local time for whatever one's local time is, how about we make it midnight Tuesday morning GMT (or UCT if you prefer)?
I really don't care. The spirit, rather than the letter of the law applies here. It's mostly to stop people from creating a race thread as soon as the last race is over. True, Monday isn't the biggest transgression, but like I said - there was barely anything to discuss on Thursday, much less Monday.
 
So you're just completely ignoring everything that has happened this season ... why, exactly? To embarrass yourself?

Alonso won't win. And if he does, you can at least bet that a Red Bull will be in the top three.

It's not as unlikely as you have it out to be. This track relies far less on downforce and more on the mechanical grip, which Ferrari has a lot of. Especially since Montreal is on the super soft and softs again, which the Ferraris like a whole lot.

If there are any races Ferrari can win this year, this is one of them. And if there are any races Vettel won't win, this is one. The Red Bull won't stand a chance on the straights.
 
If there are any races Ferrari can win this year, this is one of them.
Sure - except that both Alonso and Massa have a history of struggling in Canada. Alonso has one win and one podium; Massa has never finished higher than fourth.

The Red Bull won't stand a chance on the straights.
Based on what, exactly? It did just fine on the straights at every other circuit, most of which were longer than the straights at Montreal.
 
Sure - except that both Alonso and Massa have a history of struggling in Canada. Alonso has one win and one podium; Massa has never finished higher than fourth.

And you expect them to always suck at Montreal. Maybe they can change that. But then again, maybe not.

interludes
Based on what, exactly? It did just fine on the straights at every other circuit, most of which were longer than the straights at Montreal.

Red Bull has always been the slowest in a straight line. Straightline speed is not their advantage, it's their disadvantage. Last year at Montreal ,where were Red Bull? Where were they at any low downforce, top speed tracks? And where were McLaren and Ferrari?
 
If Red Bull are the slowest in a straight line, but have been proven to be faster overall at circuits with longer straights than Montreal so far this year, why do you think they will be nowhere this year? Last year's data doesn't mean anything because the cars change so much from eyar to year. And before you try to use that argument to suggest Alonso and/or Massa will be fast this year, bear in mind that drivers don't change as much as cars from year to year.

Ferrari fans are deluded. They concoct these wild theories about how Ferrari will win all these races, but the core component of their argument seems to be "Ferrari will win because they are Ferrari".
 

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