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Emotions aside, dropping an F bomb during the post-race interview with MBS standing 20 paces away is certainly a mood.
 
Piastri butt-hurt about the penalty on the podium is the kinda thing that makes me dislike a driver.

"APPARTeNly yoU'RE NoT AllowED to bRAkE BEhiNd the SAFeTY car ANyMoRe"

You're getting paid 20 million dollars... ****ing deal with it like a professional.
 
MatskiMonk
Piastri butt-hurt about the penalty on the podium is the kinda thing that makes me dislike a driver.

"APPARTeNly yoU'RE NoT AllowED to bRAkE BEhiNd the SAFeTY car ANyMoRe"

You're getting paid 20 million dollars... ****ing deal with it like a professional.
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Or maybe the fact this exact scenario went unpunished in Canada shows he has reason to be upset. This inconsistent as hell dog**** stewarding has ruined this sport.

Or maybe the fact that intentionally slamming you car into someone else also got the same penalty. I can go on.
 
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Great race overall by the way. Well managed by the director I think.
 
Demon Drone
Or maybe the fact this exact scenario went unpunished in Canada shows he has reason to be upset. This inconsistent as hell dog**** stewarding has ruined this sport.

Or maybe the fact that intentionally slamming you car into someone else also got the same penalty. I can go on.
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Going by the telemetry they were reading on Sky he braked twice as hard as Russell did in Canada. It was excessive and I think he'll acknowledge that later.

When the clerk of the course had declared that the safety car was coming in that lap and the lights were extinguished, Car 81 suddenly braked hard (59.2 psi of brake pressure) and reduced speed in the middle of the straight between T14 and T15, from
218 kph to 52 kph, resulting in Car 1 having to take evasive action to avoid a collision.

This momentarily resulted in Car 1 unavoidably overtaking Car 81, a position which he gave back immediately.

Article 55.15 of the FIA Sporting Regulations required Car 81 to proceed at a pace which involved no erratic braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers from the point at which the lights on the safety car are turned off.

What Car 81 did was clearly a breach of that article. In accordance with the penalty guidelines, we imposed a 10 second time penalty to Car 81.
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If I heard right Russell was 30 psi in Canada and the stewards said that was the limit.
 
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That a driver of his talent had to wait so long for a podium finish is incredible.

Congrats Hulk.:bowdown:

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Demon Drone
Still not worth a 10 second penalty though.
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It was in those conditions, what the main issue was it was after the safety car was called in.

So in wet weather the margins are increased, max made a meal of it but ultimately in 100% visibility and grip no issue, in a wet race on inters.
 
Fezzik
Yes it was. That's what's in the rules. I'm an Oscar fan but this was fair.
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That's the problem. The rules are clearly aren't being applied when you have the same penalty being for applied for slamming into another car. The stewards have zero credibility.
 
McLaren
Irrelevant, but fun stat from Reddit since we're celebrating Hulk. Since Spain, he's outscored Max; 31 points to 29 points.
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It’s a fun stat but I’ll bet my hat that RB and max will come out of the summer break strong, considering it’s mostly max getting the most from the car vs the car being dominant. I’d also imagine Ferrari have some response as well, with the 2026 regs on the fringe I’d imagine we are seeing a slightly different tactic from the teams in terms of what they want to learn and try.
 
Demon Drone
That's the problem. The rules are clearly aren't being applied when you have the same penalty being for applied for slamming into another car. The stewards have zero credibility.
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That’s a different discussion entirely.

The penalty against PIA is well deserved.

The only person who seems to think it’s not a clear penalty is …. Oscar himself who TBH is a bit of a tool today.

It was super unnecessary too.

He must still be the favorite to win the thing, but not like this.
 
In situations like this, I think less about the rules and simply use common sense. Compared to what happened in Canada, it's raining, visibility is poor, and you're braking much harder. Any driver behind will not only have less time to react, but the car will take much longer to slow down. Drivers will always try to pull shenanigans but that was far too risky to attempt in that way, especially when your primary rival at the moment is your teammate, not Max.

Oscar would've lost his championship lead today had Max plowed into him and the McLaren was dominant enough that he limited the position loss to one. He may be griping about it now, but he should ultimately feel lucky the damage was kept to a minimum.
 
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It’s a fun stat but I’ll bet my hat that RB and max will come out of the summer break strong, considering it’s mostly max getting the most from the car vs the car being dominant. I’d also imagine Ferrari have some response as well, with the 2026 regs on the fringe I’d imagine we are seeing a slightly different tactic from the teams in terms of what they want to learn and try.
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I think it'll be more Red Bull than Max, if there's a real fear he may be swayed to Mercedes. He voiced his displeasure multiple times that the car was still awful to drive (although I think today was down more to the decision to go for speed than down force) & I'm not sure how much Red Bull will be able to correct Max's points of displeasure with it with half the season to go.

And at one point will either party decide to concede & look toward 2026? Red Bull could keep developing the car to help Max, but they're more likely going to finish in a no-man's land of 4th. I'm sure Max wants to keep his title hopes alive, but it looks more like George will be there sooner or later to take 3rd.
 
Max somehow ending up 5th after all the troubles and moaning, that hasn’t helped him trigger his escape clause.

18 points ahead of Russell if it’s top 3 based.
46 points ahead of Leclerc if it’s top 4.


Sauber up to 6th in the constructors thanks to Hulk. Audi could start off very well, they are doing good things there. Probably equal best pit crew with Ferrari and an improving car.
 
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OutlawQuadrnt
In situations like this, I think less about the rules and simply use common sense. Compared to what happened in Canada, it's raining, visibility is poor, and you're braking much harder. Any driver behind will not only have less time to react, but the car will take much longer to slow down. Drivers will always try to pull shenanigans but that was far too risky to attempt in that way, especially when your primary rival at the moment is your teammate, not Max.

Oscar would've lost his championship lead today had Max plowed into him and the McLaren was dominant enough that he limited the position loss to one. He may be griping about it now, but he should ultimately feel lucky the damage was kept to a minimum.
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This is exactly it.

There really isn’t any debate other than teams appealing it but that will be futile and Zak kinda was resigned to that in the post sky chat.

What Oscar has going against him is the first rules of racing, drivers are expected to be going at racing speed in racing conditions. This isn’t road driving and you are suppose to really pushing on. All fair, for everyone around you as well.

Safety cars let the field bunch but the expectation is you are going to go to racing speeds especially as you can’t overtake before the marker.

Unfortunately Oscar was a little late on his prerogative especially relative to the close field and bad visibility conditions.

It was also trying a little gamesmanship to test those rules. I can’t see a problem with the Pen but maybe 5s would have been more appropriate but the rules mandate the 10s

As for drive throughs they are very very rarely used in Modern F1, I don’t know why that’s the case though.

Edit: on thinking about it, you’d just pit and take the pen or serve it in the pit box makes way more sense
 
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GlamFM
That’s a different discussion entirely.
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I disagree. This has been a big problem since the 2021 season and we're seeing the quality of driving get worse. I don't remember this many top drivers doing this many egregious things from past seasons. Yeah it's a pretty open and shut penalty but the level of punishment isn't. They set the unforgivable precedent by not disqualifying Max after hitting Russell. They apply the rules when they feel like it and that the issue I have with this penalty they gave Oscar. At this point every penalty beyond or the same as 10 seconds should be questioned because of this precedent.
 
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Demon Drone
I disagree. This has been a big problem since the 2021 season and we're seeing the quality of driving get worse. I don't remember this many top drivers doing this many egregious things from past seasons. Yeah it's a pretty open and shut penalty but the level of punishment isn't. They set the unforgivable precedent by not disqualifying Max after hitting Russell. They apply the rules when they feel like it and that the issue I have with this penalty they gave Oscar.
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Non of this makes what Piastri did ok and not a penalty therefore it’s a different discussion.

Piastri messed around and found out today.

I hope his fans will be able to get over it…
 
Demon Drone
I disagree. This has been a big problem since the 2021 season and we're seeing the quality of driving get worse. I don't remember this many top drivers doing this many egregious things from past seasons. Yeah it's a pretty open and shut penalty but the level of punishment isn't. They set the unforgivable precedent by not disqualifying Max after hitting Russell. They apply the rules when they feel like it and that the issue I have with this penalty they gave Oscar.
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This has been a thing not a problem but a thing for many years earlier than 2021…. Schumacher mansell? Etc 🤣

Cynical and tactical driving has existed as long as racing has.

Reflecting on the incident and the driver room dialog even Nico said “the whole field just bunched up” that’s not a wet weather expectation.

Dry clear visibility races sure but when it’s 100m spray, hard braking is not cool when it’s not necessary.
 
Demon Drone
The rules are clearly aren't being applied when you have the same penalty being for applied for slamming into another car. The stewards have zero credibility.
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Could you enlighten me as to how the same penalty being given for two different offences indicates that the rules aren't being applied, when the same penalty is listed for both offences in the penalty guidelines? You might not like the penalties, but that's not the same thing as not applying the rules.
 

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