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Oscar still leads the WDC by 3 points from Lando. Max 25 points off the top.

Good battle for 2nd in the WCC - 5 points between Merc in 2nd and Ferrari in 4th, with Verstappen in the middle (Max has 95% of Red Bull's points this year).
 
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Not entirely optimistic of a good race at Barcelona next up, but then there should hopefully be 4 bangers in a row (Canada, Austria, GB, Belgium) and Hungary has been better of late as well.
 
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DK
How it feels to have Alex Dunne flying the flag for your country:
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Martins should also take responsibility for that crash
 
Never really expected the two-stop experiment to garner the optimistic results people were wanting; the problems with Monaco are far too fundamental. I will say it made the race barely watchable because at least there was something to talk about, from whether the Lap 1 starters were really going to get an advantage to who was going to get ahead in the Hadjar/Alonso/Hamilton strategy battle to Mercedes pulling a strategy "masterclass" Ferrari would've been proud of to the Williams shenanigans and finally whether Max was going to somehow steal a win due to a late VSC/SC/Red Flag.

And for those wanting this race to go away, it only takes one look around the track to see why it's a fantasy. Rich man sport attracting rich people in a rich city? Yeah, let's not pretend this race is for people that care more about the on-track product.
 
AshenGraey
Yeah, Monaco needs a major revamp. If they are going to keep it on the calendar, they need to change the layout or do something more extreme because the fun around this race is OVER after Saturday. My take, get rid of the nouvelle chicane, at least that will be a long enough straight for some overtakes. Because even with this 2 pit stop experiment, it was a weird race and a still a bit of a ****show for me.
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There has to be a chicane somewhere on that straight, although I have to confess I wouldn't mind seeing a slight variation at some point e.g. moving that chicane 200m further along and/or incorporating the roundabout next to Portier. The latter would surely make it tougher on older tyres to get sufficient momentum into the tunnel vs the point+squirt out of Portier.

The main issue with that of course is safety, there'd be roughly 100m of moderately uphill "run-off" before any car hits the barriers at turn 1, not to mention what kind of carnage could happen at that speed if someone gets it wrong, has a brake/tyre failure e.t.c.

As it is, both of those ideas were tossed into the hat long ago along with plenty of other proposals and gimmicks over the years, some more desperate than others... even if today was the first time in my recent memory that something slightly different was tried, the reality is there's barely any wiggle room (in more ways than one) as to what they can do.
 
Just catching up on the race as I was dead asleep earlier, but what the hell is going on at Ferrari?

It's infuriating how incompetent this "team" continues to be. Costing Lewis a grid penalty; not giving him information he wants and instead feeding him superfluous nonsense; [allegedly] not answering him at the end of the race; putting Charles into a perpetual state of manic depression, and the list goes on.

Adami and half of the pitwall needs to be jettisoned out of a cargo bay door or something.

And then there's Mercedes and whatever hefty bag of devil's lettuce they were passing around to come up with (or be forced into, whatever it was) that "strategy".
 
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Just catching up on the race as I was dead asleep earlier, but what the hell is going on at Ferrari?

It's infuriating how incompetent this "team" continues to be. Costing Lewis a grid penalty; not giving him information he wants and instead feeding him superfluous nonsense; [allegedly] not answering him at the end of the race; putting Charles into a perpetual state of manic depression, and the list goes on.
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Once again a good performance by Ferrari. We should be seeing them consistently on the podium for the remainder of the season. Lewis should be there soon.
 
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Just catching up on the race as I was dead asleep earlier, but what the hell is going on at Ferrari?

It's infuriating how incompetent this "team" continues to be. Costing Lewis a grid penalty; not giving him information he wants and instead feeding him superfluous nonsense; [allegedly] not answering him at the end of the race; putting Charles into a perpetual state of manic depression, and the list goes on.

Adami and half of the pitwall needs to be jettisoned out of a cargo bay door or something.

And then there's Mercedes and whatever hefty bag of devil's lettuce they were passing around to come up with (or be forced into, whatever it was) that "strategy".
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Mercedes strategy was to follow the Williams.
 
Terronium-12
Just catching up on the race as I was dead asleep earlier, but what the hell is going on at Ferrari?

It's infuriating how incompetent this "team" continues to be. Costing Lewis a grid penalty; not giving him information he wants and instead feeding him superfluous nonsense; [allegedly] not answering him at the end of the race; putting Charles into a perpetual state of manic depression, and the list goes on.

Adami and half of the pitwall needs to be jettisoned out of a cargo bay door or something.
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Every time I hear an exchange between Adami and Lewis, I can't help but wonder how things would be if Bono had somehow been able to go to Ferrari with Lewis. I genuinely feel like there would be a night-and-day difference in Hamiltons races.

At this point, I think it's clear that Adami isn't a good fit for the pitwall, considering his issues not just with Lewis, but also with Sainz and Vettel.
 
Blitz24
Mercedes strategy was to follow the Williams.
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Makes sense why they divebombed at Nouvelle then. :lol:

At least Kimi gave the position back. George was all "Nah mate. Too erratic, gimme penalty."
 
Dreadmed
There has to be a chicane somewhere on that straight, although I have to confess I wouldn't mind seeing a slight variation at some point e.g. moving that chicane 200m further along and/or incorporating the roundabout next to Portier. The latter would surely make it tougher on older tyres to get sufficient momentum into the tunnel vs the point+squirt out of Portier.

The main issue with that of course is safety, there'd be roughly 100m of moderately uphill "run-off" before any car hits the barriers at turn 1, not to mention what kind of carnage could happen at that speed if someone gets it wrong, has a brake/tyre failure e.t.c.

As it is, both of those ideas were tossed into the hat long ago along with plenty of other proposals and gimmicks over the years, some more desperate than others... even if today was the first time in my recent memory that something slightly different was tried, the reality is there's barely any wiggle room (in more ways than one) as to what they can do.
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I can understand the safety issues and I'm all for keeping things safe. That said though, if they can't make any changes to the track, then they need to do something about the Monaco weekend as a whole.

IMO, maybe don't make it a race anymore. Turn it into multiple time trials shootouts taking place on both Saturday and Sunday. Depending on how drivers do on Saturday, they get certain advantages or perks comes Sunday. Add some different handicap/rules to keep things interesting (i.e in one session they can only set their time on hard tires or something). And depending on driver positions, they accumulate their points over both days. This is just me throwing something out there because I'd rather see something like that than watching those crappy "races" (if you can even call them that nowadays) that take place there.

The Saturdays are always exciting. I was on the edge of my seat watching them qualify and then comes Sunday, it's an absolute bore. Everyone up to P6 got lapped, and up to P8 or P9 got lapped twice....that's just ridiculous if you ask me.
 
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Yes. Gimmicks is what a racing series needs.
 
Or... hear me out... make it an "All Star Race".
 
Just put them in boats and let them race in the harbor, might be a better race actually. Wait, that idea sounds familiar...
 
Grayfox
Well we will have it till 2031.

People want it because its "Historic" yet no one defends other "Historic" tracks like Spa or Catalunya wont wont defend them if they were to be replaced.
Catalunya which is being replaced.
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I'm defending Spa! I'll even go in to bat for Catalunya.
 
How to fix this disasterclass of a track and car combo. And thank Russell for showing us the way.

Track cuts. 3 per race. Keep the Nouvelle Chicane, but you've got 3 track cuts during a race to use how you think works in order to pass. Anything past a third track cut is a drive through.
 
Redneckchef
How to fix this disasterclass of a track and car combo. And thank Russell for showing us the way.

Track cuts. 3 per race. Keep the Nouvelle Chicane, but you've got 3 track cuts during a race to use how you think works in order to pass. Anything past a third track cut is a drive through.
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Something needs to be done. There can't be another race like this.

Even the drivers who benefitted didn't like doing it - it's not racing, pure and simple. It's stopping racing in order to prevent others from racing too - this is about as antithetical to the spirit of F1 as it gets.

Given Monaco's unique and historic position on the F1 circuit, I'd like to see the FIA be bold and do something different - they've already introduced Sprint races, so why not try another different format?

Qualifying is more interesting and fun to watch than a processional race at Monaco, so why not double quali and 'halve' the racing?

2 full qualifying sessions, and 2 half-distance races. Half points awarded for combined quali times, half points awarded for combined race results. And perhaps throw in some tyre/strategy restrictions to mix the grid up a bit for the second sessions.

That and the track cuts idea - at a circuit where DRS is useless, an alternative means of passing slower cars would be a good idea.
 
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Not fully thought through, but how about 2 sprint races with 10 cars each? Only one driver from each team per race so they can't pull this nonsense.
 
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What is the point of cutting laps or cars? These tractors can't overtake on this kart track. If you want to keep Monaco and other classic tracks, make the cars a lot smaller. Simple as that.
 
Dennisch
If you want to keep Monaco and other classic tracks, make the cars a lot smaller. Simple as that.
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Smaller cars can't fit all the hybrid gubbins in, nor are they anywhere near as safe. A unique, small chassis for Monaco also cuts into the cost cap.

The solution is either abandon Monaco, or use those LEGO cars.

Or a spec race in 20 Citroen Amis.
 
Make Formula E have the title of "Monaco Grand Prix". Their races around this circuit have always been epic and put F1, F2 and F3 to shame
 
Famine
Smaller cars can't fit all the hybrid gubbins in, nor are they anywhere near as safe. A unique, small chassis for Monaco also cuts into the cost cap.

The solution is either abandon Monaco, or use those LEGO cars.

Or a spec race in 20 Citroen Amis.
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F1 will never abandon Monaco, it's under contract until 2031
 
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