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Maybe ditch the chicane?
This will give us a good high speed section of the track which can lead to some overtakes underbraking

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SugaredFlyer
F1 will never abandon Monaco, it's under contract until 2031
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Yes, I know. Therein lies the impasse that's under discussion everywhere.

The cars are too big and fast for Monaco, which cannot be solved if they are to retain the powertrain that's basically locked in for the next decade and current safety standards. The cost-cap also precludes smaller, Monaco-specific chassis, so you'd have to cut corners on driver safety at the other 23 races.

Monaco is too small and twisty for the cars, which cannot be solved without major changes to the circuit - which is itself just about impossible if the landmarks are to be retained, as it uses the roads of four wards of Monaco and it has some of the highest-price land area in the world (which is why they build up on every spare parcel). Adding one overtaking spot by shifting a chicane looks nice on the face of it, but it requires shifting land and really just adds one place to defend every lap. It's not a solution.

If the cars can't be changed and the track can't be changed, that leaves...
 
And the track won't go away, what's left is changing the format for the weekend. Eliminate the F1 race entirely and turn it into an F1 time trials. Make Monaco it's own special event since it is so "special" to F1 anyway. That's the only other thing I can think of and I'm standing by it.
 
AshenGraey
And the track won't go away, what's left is changing the format for the weekend. Eliminate the F1 race entirely and turn it into an F1 time trials. Make Monaco it's own special event since it is so "special" to F1 anyway. That's the only other thing I can think of and I'm standing by it.
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Yeah that won't work

Liquid
Make it either non-championship or every four years to keep it "special".
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Non championship races will never comeback in F1
 
To be a fair comparison, how many of those overtakes are when the car has the extra power and AWD? Do that with the F1 cars and let's see what happens.
Disclaimer - I'm a fan of FE but attack mode does make overtaking ridiculously easy at times.
 
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Fezzik
To be a fair comparison, how many of those overtakes are when the car has the extra power and AWD? Do that with the F1 cars and let's see what happens.
Disclaimer - I'm a fan of FE but attack mode does make overtaking ridiculously easy at times.
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How many DRS overtakes were there in F1? How many passes were made because of new tyres in F1? How many passes were made because a driver used their Hybrid system to deploy only at certain points on the track? Point is Formula 1 has the same kind of things that drivers can use to change the pace of their car through the race and around the track and some are gimmicks some aren't. Even with the tools making the difference, one series has successfully made the racing work around Monaco and one hasn't.
 
Been waiting for the new thread to go up, but it's not here yet, so here goes...

I will be popping down to Catalunya this weekend and need tips if anyone has any. I don't have grandstand seat.

So far, I've identified the following:
1. Best viewing spot is around turn 4/5/6 on the hill inside the track (so there must be a tunnel under the track as I've not noted any bridges driving around in FM23, GT7 etc?)
2. Take lots of water (allowed up to 1.5L) - are there water filling stations? And suncream obviously.
3. Taking an umbrella with me to keep off sun when I can.
4. Get there early as possible (though in my case I have transfer from the Hotel so arrival time won't be down to me).

Much like my bottom after sitting on the hill all day, to any tips you can provide on here, I say grassy ass ;)
 
Have qualifying on Saturday as normal.

Then make it a 4 lap time trial for each car on Sunday, starting with whoever qualifies last. Fastest time wins, simple. Points as normal.

Pros:
1. Fans will get upto 88 laps of "action" at high speed vs 78 low speed laps currently
2. 4 laps adds strategy into the mix also - how do you manage your tyres and ERS to get 4 consistent and quick laps
3. Qualifying will still mean something
4. Races aren't ruined because of one bad Saturday lap
5. Still a good risk of crashes and drama as people chase times

Cons:
1. Weather could heavily impact some drivers unfairly
2. No actual "racing"
3. It's not a traditional race
 
sirjim73
Been waiting for the new thread to go up, but it's not here yet, so here goes...

I will be popping down to Catalunya this weekend and need tips if anyone has any. I don't have grandstand seat.

So far, I've identified the following:
1. Best viewing spot is around turn 4/5/6 on the hill inside the track (so there must be a tunnel under the track as I've not noted any bridges driving around in FM23, GT7 etc?)
2. Take lots of water (allowed up to 1.5L) - are there water filling stations? And suncream obviously.
3. Taking an umbrella with me to keep off sun when I can.
4. Get there early as possible (though in my case I have transfer from the Hotel so arrival time won't be down to me).

Much like my bottom after sitting on the hill all day, to any tips you can provide on here, I say grassy ass ;)
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Formula 1 Aramco Gran Premio de España 2025

After the enclosed space of Monaco, Formula 1 heads to Catalunya for the last Grand Prix in Barcelona for the foreseeable future before this race heads to the Madring (yes it is called that). Since the removal of the heinous final Chicane racing has improved markedly at the well-known Testing...
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Jimlaad43



Formula cars having epic races around Monaco in 2025?

Also these overtakes aren't the Peleton-style ones that some circuits see, these are genuine passes for position that mattered.
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F1 should turn the Monaco GP into a green race weekend and highlight Formula E. Get all the FE teams together and partnered with an F1 team, and have the F1 drivers race the FE cars.
 
OutlawQuadrnt
Never really expected the two-stop experiment to garner the optimistic results people were wanting; the problems with Monaco are far too fundamental. I will say it made the race barely watchable because at least there was something to talk about, from whether the Lap 1 starters were really going to get an advantage to who was going to get ahead in the Hadjar/Alonso/Hamilton strategy battle to Mercedes pulling a strategy "masterclass" Ferrari would've been proud of to the Williams shenanigans and finally whether Max was going to somehow steal a win due to a late VSC/SC/Red Flag.

And for those wanting this race to go away, it only takes one look around the track to see why it's a fantasy. Rich man sport attracting rich people in a rich city? Yeah, let's not pretend this race is for people that care more about the on-track product.
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It was still more interesting than the last 5 or more Monaco races. Unfortunately the takeaway for many is that it was a bad race and that the mandatory 2-stop was a bad idea.

In my opinion most (not all) races with cars doing multiple stops are better than one stop races.. It is just more things happening and more strategic opportunity, while a single stop race is just mostly more boring... they have all the team there, I just don't see any benefit to doing 1 stop only.

Qualifying was epic and I think the driver challenge makes it a spectacular addition to the calendar still... maybe smaller cars, maybe cars that have longer braking distances, maybe some kind of energy spend limitation combine WEC energy allocation so that cars after pitstop get extra boost if they change to push to pass or maybe they can spend boost then need to pit to reset their energey etc, sorry rambling...

maybe slight adjustments to how it's run....

Terronium-12
At least Kimi gave the position back. George was all "Nah mate. Too erratic, gimme penalty."
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So the stewards were capable to see the unsportsmanlike behaviour of deliberately keeping the advantage and rightfully game him a more severe penalty.

Touring Mars
Even the drivers who benefitted didn't like doing it - it's not racing, pure and simple. It's stopping racing in order to prevent others from racing too - this is about as antithetical to the spirit of F1 as it gets.
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It was clearly unsportsmanlike behaviour so why didn't they use black and white flags?

Seriously it was clear that multiple drivers were acting unsportsmanlike and bringing the sport into disrepute so why didn't the stewards take any action?

It seems like incredible level of incompetence, seriously! Why couldn't they see the first driver doing more than two laps that looks like it's deliberately slow - slap out the black and white flag - next lap if they haven't picked up the pace, give them a driver through penalty. That would have seriously changed up that race.

Sure there's grey areas as to how much pace the driver needs to pickup as the team is going to complain - the stewards are the referees so just make a call.
 

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