MarkWebber
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You can't really make excuses for Webber anymore.
Mark is extremely poor during the opening lap of a Gran Prix.
Mark is extremely poor during the opening lap of a Gran Prix.
You can't really make excuses for Webber anymore.
Mark is extremely poor during the opening lap of a Gran Prix.
As for talent, well he isn't much more than Barrichello or Trulli or whichever other average driver on the grid, couple that to the way Ferrari is managing him and failing miserably both drivers in such hard moment and then you'll have the recipe for a loser. Time to move to a lesser team and give room to younger and more talented drivers? I think so.
I disagree, Massa has yet to prove himself as good as Rubens, he is nowhere near as consistent. Rubens has at least regularly beaten all of his teammates, even if not overall through the season, with the only exception obviously being Michael, which goes without saying wasn't really a fair fight (though to be fair, Michael was faster most of the time anyway).
Put it this way, I can't see Massa ever matching any of Barrichello's stats.
Nobody else noticed a great drive by Nick Heidfeld, dead last start to eighth place finish?
Certainly the TV coverage missed it.
Dont get me wrong, I never said they were bad. I just said they were old
In the scheme of things, they are the most likely ones of the current generation to get the shove.
I'm wondering if anyone noticed Kobayashi?
His soft tyres punctured on the first lap of the race, not only did he effectively start in last place, he also started effectively a minute down on everyone else. Despite this, he finished 10th, 2 places behind heidfeld and much less than a minute behind.
I don't see how "slasher" Sutil, slower than diResta, can maintain his seat any longer.
I'm wondering if anyone noticed Kobayashi?
His soft tyres punctured on the first lap of the race, not only did he effectively start in last place, he also started effectively a minute down on everyone else. Despite this, he finished 10th, 2 places behind heidfeld and much less than a minute behind.
Good point. I completely forgot about that. Very impressive.
It's criminal that we don't see Kobayashi on the screen very often.
SaberFireWe do, but only when he's attacking the big names like Schumacher and Massa etc,. Otherwise it's just another meaningless midfield squabble to the camera guys.
Just remember that, no matter what you've read, Sutil hasn't been found guilty.Submerged"Slasher" Sutil? Care to elaborate?
I disagree, Massa has yet to prove himself as good as Rubens, he is nowhere near as consistent. Rubens has at least regularly beaten all of his teammates, even if not overall through the season, with the only exception obviously being Michael, which goes without saying wasn't really a fair fight (though to be fair, Michael was faster most of the time anyway).
Put it this way, I can't see Massa ever matching any of Barrichello's stats.
I don't see how "slasher" Sutil, slower than diResta, can maintain his seat any longer.
Massa has a better win/start percentage
Massa: 11/140= 7.8%
Barrichello: 11/308=3.5%
I know its just one stat, and an unreliable one at that, but you said any, and I found one.
Compared with Hamilton and Vettel who are both up around 20%
Consistency is just one of the traits that define a champion, Rubens isn't fast and the only places he ever showed some serious driving were a couple of races in ferrari, his early Jordan races and his car-breaking performances on Jackie Stewart's team. That isn't enough to be a champion, he is just good and that means average on F1, whose grid holds many highly skilled and competitive drivers.
Well considering Barrichello has double the amount of race starts and has spent more seasons in non-winning cars than winning cars, not really much of stat there.
What about beating Button at Honda 2008? What about his second half of 2009? What about last year scoring points in a lot of races and dominating his very highly rated rookie teammate, Hulkenburg?
Rubens was almost champion in 2009, perhaps if he had sorted his brake issues earlier he might have fought Jenson harder in the season. Ok, he didn't do that in the end...but "average" doesn't win races. Average doesn't almost become champion.
Let me ask, what do you think of drivers like Damon Hill, Jacques Villenueve, Nigel Mansell, Alan Jones? Because Rubens is as good as if not better than these drivers, and they were champions!
Let me ask, what do you think of drivers like Damon Hill, Jacques Villenueve, Nigel Mansell, Alan Jones? Because Rubens is as good as if not better than these drivers, and they were champions!
Dan_Honestly, Rubens lacks one quintessential ability to be considered one of the all time great drivers : ambition. Although your post really made me think about it, I honestly still can't see him as more than average.
ArdiusAwful is Nakajima, awful is Yuji Ide, awful is Ricardo Rosset. There are so, so, so very many drivers I can name as worse than Fisichella.
+1. Jos remained a bit of a personal hero of my friends and I until we heard about the wife beating and assault cases. Now he's more of a "fallen hero" imo. Certainly not awful.ArdiusAs for Jos Verstappen, heroic drives for Arrows anyone?
So are you saying the only drivers worth watching in the current field are Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Button and Schumacher?Dan_Bah, opinions man. He's average, not a world champion, not a great driver to watch.
Moving on.
So are you saying the only drivers worth watching in the current field are Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Button and Schumacher?
How do you rate Nico Rosberg? He's not a world champion, but he's walking all over his team mate who just so happens to be THE MOST SUCCESSFUL DRIVER OF ALL TIME...