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Discussion in 'Forza Horizon 4' started by SlipZtrEm, Jun 11, 2018.
They lost themselves.
This sucks. I'm going to miss the Evo VI.
We lost good cars. I'm in pain.
Camaro SS 2002
Pontiac Trans Am WS6
Mercedes 300 SEL 6.3
Nissan Fairlady Z32
Subaru Legacy RSK
Alfa Romeo 155
Alfa Romeo 75
Honda Prelude '91
These were staple of my garage. Added to the absence of Toyota (I know. Not T10's fault), it makes the game feel a bit empty. I don't know, I kinda hate how it feels like a copy-paste list with some random exclusions, game after game. I mean, it's fine if they want to sell them afterwards (not fine really), but make it a waiting game to see when you will be able to add these cars again is a bit frustrating. If they are going to copy-paste models, might as well add all of them. It's not like they are making these from scratch. Some models (at least in FM7) are from FM3, and I wouldn't doubt they will be the same in FH4.
If it was as easy as Ctrl C + Ctrl V then you'd see all of these in FH4. The reality is that this clearly isn't the case, we've had a number of games (and statements from the devs) showing that it isn't is simple as that. They also won't sell them on as DLC. Pretty much post FH2 every single DLC has been a new franchise car or a FM4 360 Gen Model. (I doubt) this will change in FH4.
Man! We lost a whole manufacturer in Mitsubishi. I was looking forward to finally getting to drive my GTO in a Horizon game.
No this is not the full list so many cars are missing for this list
There will be only two people on the playground car list selection staff. A 14 year old boy. And an old man born before WWII.
The FH4 car list was more biased towards the newest and vintage. And lots of the wonderful 1980-2000s cars were lost.
I feel deep sorrow and disappointment as I was a fan of cars deleted by them.
I sincerely wish that they will regain the jewels of these ages with updates and DLC.
Which is why they need to debut the cars that make more sense in the Horizon series...in the Horizon series!
Yup. Now it looks like all the DLC trucks and SUVs are just stuck in Motorsport.
I feel sorry for T10 and PG... I can only imagine how they felt when Mitsubishi puled out. I understand that cars need to be licensed, that there needs to be some sort of exclusivity in racing games, that racing games are a big business, that the end of the day is all about money. But I also understand that people behind racing games are often also car enthusiast. I was watching yesterdays stream with Mr. Ekberg and I could felt his pain reading so many negative comments on the chat. They selling high quality products every year we should at least understand that with such a peace some flows are inevitable. I still think the list is awesome. I know I will drive the out of that Fiesta M sport. And I can't wait to test that Ironking.
I remembered that in John Schommer's recent #ForzaFriday Forza Horizon 1 livestream, John discussed about how Mitsubishi is going in a weird direction and was kind of sad that SUVs and crossovers was the direction that Mitsubishi was heading. He kind of did complain about how the "Eclipse" name is now used on a crossover known as the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross.
So Mitsubishi pulled out?
What did I miss?
Nope. Not entirely.
2018 Dodge Durango SRT
2015 Honda Ridgeline HPD Baja Trophy Truck
2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT Trackhawk
2018 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
2017 Ram 2500 Power Wagon
2016 Toyota Land Cruiser Prado Arctic Trucks AT37
Now it suddenly makes sense why there was also no Mitsubishi in The Crew 2. Man FH2 really starts to feel more and more of a gem as it included ALL major car brands: both Porsche and RUF are there, VW is there and from the JDM side you still have Toyota with Lexus and Mitsubishi.
But let's look on the bright side, the game will still be awesome with hundreds of nice cars to drive. Let's hope in the future Toyota and Mitsubishi will get persuaded to be licensed again.
There are both some very egregious exclusions (like the Ferrari 812 Superfast, which I have an odd feeling we may see back as DLC) and surprising inclusions (the Porsche 917/20) from FM7's car list. But regardless, the final list is not very surprising, and I am quite pleased with it.
Rolls Royce probably saw all the mud in the first gameplays and pulled out in disgust, as for Mitsubishi... Well, they have lost it entirely, I am afraid, if they are going the Toyota way of not licensing cars to videogame developers.
Nope! Just those that made the least sense to have in Motorsport.
I wonder how Bigbang Interactive got their licenses for the new V-Rally 4. Well, we will never know that. I'm trying not to think much about it, but... damn you nostalgia!!
That would be correct. Now we'll never be able to drive our 3/Ss in an open world game aside from Midnight Club Los Angeles.
Not having a single Evo in what's likely to be an even more popular game than FH3 was is utterly ridiculous. I get that Mitsubishi knows people only like their long gone cars and being included in video games doesn't benefit them right now, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have past models in video games. Hopefully we'll get a rally/motorsport car from them in the form of DLC as we've seen from Toyota in FM7, but I'm not holding my breath.
I'm starting to feel the same as well, something else is going on than just "this is the list". And I don't mean the absence of Mitsubishi, I mean more the absence of for example the following 3 cars:
* 2017 Ferrari 812 Superfast - There has always been an abundance of Ferrari cars in current gen Forza games, always including the newest Ferrari models. Having their newest car absent while almost the entire catalogue is back again makes no sense.
* 2018 Honda Civic Type R - A brand new car, the newest Civic, even introduced to FM7 seperately with a lot of Honda advertising and events. No way they cannot get the license for that car now.
* 2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS - Microsoft even made a 5-year deal with Porsche to include their cars in their games. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have the newest car of the brand absent.
* Maybe some cars didn't make the cut since a "follow-up model" will be released as DLC in the future.
Those 3 cars are just some strong examples but there are many more really weird situations of certain car models lacking within a brand.
Probably some stuff of the following is happening :
* There might be a VIP car pack like other years where popular and new cars are included (makes sense for the above mentioned 3 cars to be in it).
* Cars that are rewarded from in-game events and/or barn finds are not included in the list to keep the surprise. Remember in FH3 you could get the Lamborghini Murcielago, Mini Cooper, and Bentley Continental from the perk unlocks? Or the BMW M3, Buick Regal GNX and Mazda RX7 from street races?
* I don't think the missing cars will be used in the Car Pass weekly car drop, normally they don't resell us the exact same cars again (the only exception I can remember from recent years is just 1 car, the Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX from the FH3 Mountain Dew Car Pack while that car was also in FM6 and FH2). But they might keep some existing cars (from previous Forza games) aside to be used in special Forzathon events. Turn 10 got a lot of flak for stating FM7 got over 700 cars while over 100 of those were locked behind events. Maybe Playground is a bit more cautious now and they just announce over 450 cars with cars that are immediately accessible, being from the autoshop. So there could be a bunch of cars they still hold back.
Maybe the list we now got from Turn 10 is just the list you can buy from the Autoshop, but there will be quite a lot of cars as well you cannot buy (barn finds, event rewards, special Forzathon events, Forzathon shop, maybe some cars are unique to the wheelspins or super wheelspins now to keep those a bit more interesting once you don't need credits anymore).
I'm already glad there are no Forza Edition cars in the 450 cars announcement since for FM7 they included those as well and that felt a bit cheap. They announced over 450 cars and the list we have now is 460 unique cars so that is nice.
Sounds like a good theory, but there is one thing that debunks it: there won’t be any Forzathon vehicles that can’t be obtained otherwise, so they either add them to the dealer or keep them out
What hurts most for me isn't even Mitsubishi, it's that the 2 rally spec Lancias getting axed while the neutered street versions are kept.
As it stands, FM7 will have significantly more offroad/rally oriented vehicles than FH4...
PG never said anything about post launch free vehicles being locked behind Forzathon. Just base roster cars.
Well if they do a special event with a unique reward car, they can always add it to the pool of wheelspins + Forzathon shop a little later.
To continu on my thought that some or all of the barn finds would be excluded from the list, if you look only at the DLC packs for FM7 then there are already 16 strong barn find candidates (cars older than 25 years) :
1932 Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Spider
1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Veloce
1939 BMW 328
1970 Citroën 2CV (***)
1948 Ferrari 166 Inter Sport
1968 Holden Monaro GTS 327
1957 Maserati 250F
1967 Nissan R380 II
1985 Nissan Safari Turbo
1962 Porsche 804
1964 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS
1966 Porsche 906 Carrera 6
1980 Porsche 924 Carrera GTS
1993 Porsche 911 Turbo S Leichtbau
1968 SUBARU 360
1967 Volkswagen Type 3 1600 L
I'm not saying these will all be barn finds, but I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of them are, mixed with other "missing" cars from previous Forza games which is an even longer list of classics to pull from. And I know some cars I mentioned here are in the Birth of Grand Prix or Vintage GT Racing division in FM7, but in the confirmed list for FH4 we already have a lot of cars from these groups.
(***) I want to write something special about the Citroën 2CV as well. This car was introduced in FM7 with the Totinos car pack back in Januari 2018. This car was so incredibly popular in Europe (and I assume also in Britain) it's probably one of the most iconic European cars ever, next to the VW Beetle. This simply has to be in FH4 since it's set in Britain and it would probably make for the perfect barn find car in that setting as well. Also, remember the Citroën DS3 Racing being in FM5 but then the car brand as a whole was not seen in any other Forza game for several years? Well in 2017 Turn 10 probably re-signed a licensing deal with Citroën to get the 2CV in their franchise. Not for FM7, who cares really if that car would be in there or not. But I'm sure they had FH4 in mind and really wanted that car in since it's so iconic for Europe. And part of the deal probably also included to release the car into FM7 as well, which was just the icing on the cake since they needed to build the car for FH4 anyway.
Honestly, if they would solely get Citroën back on board with licensing, only to have their iconic European car for just 1 year in a game, and that game would be FM7 while the car would be absent in FH4 the year after that would absolutely make no sense at all. Mark my words, that 2CV will be in FH4 (one way or the other) and I'm 95% sure it will be as a barn find since that would make 100% sense.
The leaked Barn Finds are already on the official list. 15 in total.
Spoiler: FH4 Barn Finds
It's a list that's already out for a while so who knows if they didn't change anything. And still, there can always be post-launch barn finds as well as we've seen with FH3, I think we got close to 5 added (not just from expansions, also monthly content updates).
That 2CV *has* to be in FH4. Or else nothing makes sense in this world anymore.
edit - below is the list of European cars older than 25 years that was present in FH3 but not in the official FH4 list, another great pool to pull barn finds from and it would be really weird to see some of these models not present in the game anymore:
1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4
1992 Alfa Romeo Milano Quadrifoglio Verde
1977 Aston Martin V8 Vantage
1998 Aston Martin V8 Vantage V600
1959 BMW 507
1986 BMW M635 CSi
1952 FIAT 8V Supersonic
1969 FIAT Dino 2.4 Coupe
1975 FIAT X1/9
1988 Lamborghini Jalpa
1975 Lancia Stratos HF Group 4
1985 Lancia Delta S4 Group B
1967 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL
1972 Mercedes-Benz 300 SEL 6.3
1968 Opel GT
1979 Opel Kadett C GT/E
1970 Porsche 914/6
1993 Porsche 928 GTS
1990 Renault Alpine GTA Le Mans
1967 Volvo 123GT
1972 Volvo 1800E
Many of these were even introduced in FH3 (or FM6 DLC) so their 3D models are even quite new and detailed, which is another reason it doesn't make much sense to see them go. And at the same time old "ugly" models with less detail (like the Bugatti EB110) just keep being repeated game after game.
Wait a second... Didn't the Group 4 Stratos pop up in one of the official streams, too? As it stands I am not too sad about losing them (poorly implemented as they were), but damn, this is getting messy.
It's easy to forget how many avenues PG has if it intends to return vehicles that didn't make the cut at launch. Barn finds are one of them, and it's not unthinkable that the monthly "spotlights" we've seen in FM7 will carry over to FH4. I also think there was a mention of additional Showcases? Those don't have to use vehicles already in game, and may even add in new cars to give them out as prizes.
P.S. the 166MM got dropped? Oh, drats. I certainly hope they have something special in store to bring it back...
Yup. The Aston Martin DBS was spotted in one of the streams too.
The 166MM is in, but the 166 Inter Sport got the axe even though it was also in one of the streams...
Oww my car is no longer in game
It was in Forza 7, not in FH4 ;(
All of a sudden, what seemed to be a perfect Forza horizon game has just turned into the worst based on the car list....I agree though, there are some weird omissions of cars and now taints this game in a way.
Why no Subarus in V-Rally 4 but we have Subarus Horizon 4 but V-Rally 4 has Mitsubishi, Lancer Rally, MiEV Evo II, Lancer Evo X but no Subarus very odd. No Subarus or Mitsubishi The_Crew 2 . Makes no sense.
On the other hand Gravel by Milestone (recent release) with mud everywhere had Lancia, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Nissan and Porsche. I am not sure why some games are getting all cars and others are not. Makes no sense as you say.