Forza Motorsport 6 Review Thread

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Terronium-12
And re-reviewing Driveclub is far from sketchy as it was fundamentally an entirely different game compared to its launch status. In fact, updating reviews of any kind when there's enough justification to do so is a fairly common practice in journalism.
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did they re-review forza 5 after 3 more laser scanned tracks were added? (nurburgring included, a world first) I mean, they have two minus points on their review, and one is " - A paltry number of tracks"
hell,even the second is related " - Less aggregate content than Forza fans may be used to"
well, they added some free cars too, on top of free tracks. did they re-review?

and by the way, if driveclub was ranked ...8 at launch, and after it was fixed the way it was (lets remember now the basics... no working online, no replays, no weather, less cars, less tracks/events, no photomode, not even the leaderboards were working)
became a 9, that makes the obvious complaints about this review even more obvious.

is it worth the big fuss? nope, but its worth a mention, as many gamers dont realize that their hobby has become a big industry with everything that comes along with it.


on topic, game reviews pretty well, congrats to turn10 who have proven to me to be one of the most consistent, quality-driven and super-pumped game factories out there.
 
mrPetros
did they re-review forza 5 after 3 more laser scanned tracks were added? (nurburgring included, a world first) I mean, they have two minus points on their review, and one is " - A paltry number of tracks"
hell,even the second is related " - Less aggregate content than Forza fans may be used to"
well, they added some free cars too, on top of free tracks. did they re-review?
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Were any of those in contrast to a newly introduced weather system or photomode? A greatly improved network infrastructure that didn't buckle every ten minutes? A new replay mode?

No? Then I'm certain that answers itself.
 
Terronium-12
Were any of those in contrast to a newly introduced weather system or photomode? A greatly improved network infrastructure that didn't buckle every ten minutes?

No? Then I'm certain that answers itself.
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For one, why does Driveclub deserve to be re-reviewed when every other game isn't?

Secondly, the largest complaint about Forza 5 is a lack of content and the DLC mostly addressed this issue.

DLC added 90+ cars and 3 environments with 11 track layouts, why doesn't it deserve one?
 
I feel this game has greatly improved over the past iterations, and these are from the pre-releases given to some of the youtube reviewers. Watching them makes me really want this game more than any other racer.
 
FordGTGuy
For one, why does Driveclub deserve to be re-reviewed when every other game isn't?

Secondly, the largest complaint about Forza 5 is a lack of content and the DLC mostly addressed this issue.

DLC added 90+ cars and 3 environments with 11 track layouts, why doesn't it deserve one?
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The changes that came to DriveClub where just so extensive compared to the few DLC tracks, or cars that came into picture. The changes where more on par with full game changing, rather than just DLC that FM seems to produce. They never have any significant change that would warrent a re review.

"We're here re-reviewing Forza 5 because it just one new car!"

Yeah, doesn't really flow to well.

The Forza Franchise is well known to produce much DLC for its game, so even with that factored in, the content still fell short of what the casual user base would have wanted.
 
Terronium-12
Were any of those in contrast to a newly introduced weather system or photomode? A greatly improved network infrastructure that didn't buckle every ten minutes? A new replay mode?

No? Then I'm certain that answers itself.
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with all the above, fact is that driveclub day 1 reviewed as equal to forza5 day 1.
now if you played both games at their launch, you understand how crazy and biased this is and I dont have to comment further on it.
later, when the broken, less in content and features game of the two was fixed/completed, they proceeded marking it even higher.
even now, driveclub a 9 and forza 6 a 6 speaks for itself much more than you can ever write yourself.
facts be facts and life go on :)
 
ImaRobot
The changes that came to DriveClub where just so extensive compared to the few DLC tracks, or cars that came into picture. The changes where more on par with full game changing, rather than just DLC that FM seems to produce. They never have any significant change that would warrent a re review.

"We're here re-reviewing Forza 5 because it just one new car!"

Yeah, doesn't really flow to well.

The Forza Franchise is well known to produce much DLC for its game, so even with that factored in, the content still fell short of what the casual user base would have wanted.
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The changes came to Driveclub afterwards because they rushed it out after delaying it a year. They should be reviewed for what they launched, just like every other game that has ever been reviewed.

I'll stick by the fact that Forza 5 didn't need completely changed, it needed more environments to improve its score and it got 3 laser-scanned tracks for free including the only laser scanned Nurburgring in existence at the time.
 
FordGTGuy
For one, why does Driveclub deserve to be re-reviewed when every other game isn't?

Secondly, the largest complaint about Forza 5 is a lack of content and the DLC mostly addressed this issue.

DLC added 90+ cars and 3 environments with 11 track layouts, why doesn't it deserve one?
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You cannot be that naive. Why would you re-review a game simply because it has additional content that doesn't change the way the game operated from launch? Oh, and:

when every other game isn't?
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If you're going to make a sweeping claim such as this you'd better have something to back it up.

@mrPetros Capital letters. Learn to use them, please.
 
FordGTGuy
The changes came to Driveclub afterwards because they rushed it out after delaying it a year. They should be reviewed for what they launched, just like every other game that has ever been reviewed.
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Ok. Doesn't take away from what I just said though. You asked for why it was re-reviewed, I gave you a perfectly logical explanation why it probably was.

I'll stick by the fact that Forza 5 didn't need completely changed, it needed more environments to improve its score and it got 3 laser-scanned tracks for free including the only laser scanned Nurburgring in existence at the time.
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And the fact still stands, the changes to DriveClub where so extensive, things that very well have altered gameply, compared to what changes came to FM5. 3 tracks is nothing to write a whole review again about.
 
Terronium-12
You cannot be that naive. Why would you re-review a game simply because it has additional content that doesn't change the way the game operated from launch? Oh, and:

If you're going to make a sweeping claim such as this you'd better have something to back it up.

@mrPetros Capital letters. Learn to use them, please.
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Are you completely ignoring that the biggest complaint about Forza 5 was the lack of content?

You're asking me to backup a claim that every other game isn't re-reviewed? Is this a joke?
 
@FordGTGuy

Aren't you happy with how highly rated it is being reviewed so far? That GamesRadar+ review still seems most accurate for me going by experience of demo. Some of the ones that score the game a 10 are really eye-opening :eek: but don't see you calling them out for bringing up the score...
 
FordGTGuy
Are you completely ignoring that the biggest complaint about Forza 5 was the lack of content?

You're asking me to backup a claim that every other game isn't re-reviewed? Is this a joke?
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And you seem to be ignoring the fact that three tracks are hardly enough to bat an eye, especially even more so considering its not changing anything other then barely giving you more tracks. It is nothing that will significantly had changed the outcome of the review, even if those 3 tracks where in game since launch.
 
Saidur_Ali
@FordGTGuy

Aren't you happy with how it is being reviewed. That GamesRadar+ review still seems most accurate for me going by experience of demo. Some of the ones that score the game a 10 are really eye-opening :eek: but don't see you calling them out for bringing up the score...
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I don't agree with 10/10 of any kind as I don't believe any game is perfect but it's a part of the modern scoring system. Are you honestly mad that I'm point out a review I disagree with when the website has already shown shady actions towards the game before and after the review?

ImaRobot
And you seem to be ignoring the fact that three tracks are hardly enough to bat an eye, especially even more so considering its not changing anything other then barely giving you more tracks. It is nothing that will significantly had changed the outcome of the review, even if those 3 tracks where in game since launch.
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Having the only laser-scanned version of Nurburgring in existence is something to bat an eye at.
 
FordGTGuy
Are you completely ignoring that the biggest complaint about Forza 5 was the lack of content?
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And are you oblivious to the fact that new content doesn't change the way the game operated from when it launched? Am I not conveying this clearly enough for you, or are we now pretending that Forza Motorsport 5 evolved in the same way Driveclub had?

Repeating the same thing ad infinitum isn't going to change anything.

You're asking me to backup a claim that every other game isn't re-reviewed? Is this a joke?
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What's the problem? You clearly said it and thus believe it, so you shouldn't have a problem proving it.
 
Terronium-12
And are you oblivious to the fact that new content doesn't change the way the game operated from when it launched? Am I not conveying this clearly enough for you, or are we now pretending that Forza Motorsport 5 evolved in the same way Driveclub had?

Repeating the same thing ad infinitum isn't going to change anything.
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Yet that doesn't change the fact that Project Cars hasn't been re-reviewed after it clearly has improved leaps and bounds over launch.

Forza 5 didn't need to improved the way Driveclub did, beyond content additions.

Terronium-12
What's the problem? You clearly said it and thus believe it, so you shouldn't have a problem proving it.
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Go to any major gaming website and look for a game that has been re-reviewed.
 
SlipZtrEm
TL;DR - Person with bias is upset about another person's bias.
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Everyone is biased one way or another, my bias doesn't affect a metacritic score.

In which companies use as benchmarks for bonuses and more.
 
FordGTGuy
Having the only laser-scanned version of Nurburgring in existence is something to bat an eye at.
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The only one in existence? I'm not so sure that would be the case. Still, no, why would they re-review a whole game, just because of one track? Absolutely nothing would have changed for the review, they'd literally be able to copy and past every single part of the old review, minus the part where they would just have to change the track count by 3 numbers.

Why would you want a re-review, if almost nothing pertaining to the actual review would be changing.
 
ImaRobot
The only one in existence? I'm not so sure that would be the case. Still, no, why would they re-review a whole game, just because of one track? Absolutely nothing would have changed for the review, they'd literally be able to copy and past every single part of the old review, minus the part where they would just have to change the track count by 3 numbers.

Why would you want a re-review, if almost nothing pertaining to the actual review would be changing.
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What about Project Cars then? Maybe I was hyperbolic if I said only one but it is EXTREMELY rare to get a re-review. Project Cars has arguably changed as much if not more than Driveclub but they have not re-reviewed it.
 
Some of you guys really need to chill out. We realise you really, really like the franchise but as soon as anybody criticizes this game even a little bit they get jumped on and attacked. And it's not just here I see the same usernames popping up at review sites and livestreams. FM6 is not perfect, there are problems with it, just like every game. What needs to happen is that the issues that people bring up are listened to and then discussed in a reasonable way. Some of the blind defending that is going on at the moment just makes me value certain peoples opinions less and less. We are all supposed to be racing game fans, no?
 
FordGTGuy
I don't agree with 10/10 of any kind as I don't believe any game is perfect but it's a part of the modern scoring system. Are you honestly mad that I'm point out a review I disagree with when the website has already shown shady actions towards the game before and after the review?
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So you also think it should be scoring lower. ;)

It is not like the review person is literally talking rubbish, I can relate to a lot of points he made and reason why I'm not getting game at launch. I've heard he has quite a lot of experience with racing games too. I hope there are more thorough reviews that don't seem to me like giving the game a free pass. Eurogamer review looks like it might interesting given their early impressions.
 
PzR Slim
Some of you guys really need to chill out. We realise you really, really like the franchise but as soon as anybody criticizes this game even a little bit they get jumped on and attacked. And it's not just here I see the same usernames popping up at review sites and livestreams. FM6 is not perfect, there are problems with it, just like every game. What needs to happen is that the issues that people bring up are listened to and then discussed in a reasonable way. Some of the blind defending that is going on at the moment just makes me value certain peoples opinions less and less. We are all supposed to be racing game fans, no?
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The evidence has already been laid out in this thread that we should be suspicious of this score. It's not as if we're just jumping the guy for having an opinion or reviewing it lowly, we're because his reasons are extremely strange and comments the reviewer has made on twitch.

Not to mention the article they redacted calling the Forza 6 TV spot insulting to older racing games.

Saidur_Ali
So you also think it should be scoring lower. ;)

It is not like the review person is literally talking rubbish, I can relate to a lot of points he made and reason why I'm not getting game at launch. I've heard he has quite a lot of experience with racing games too. I hope there are more thorough reviews that don't seem to me like giving the game a free pass. Eurogamer review looks like it might interesting given their early impressions.
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I'm sorry but a guy that says Forza should have the physics of GRID Autosports is pushing it a bit. His negatives include having to drive slow cars, the existence of things like rewind that can be turned off and a extremely odd claim of accelerating a car in a straight line and randomly flipping it.

I of course think the whole review system is screwed up as it is.
 
FordGTGuy
The evidence has already been laid out in this thread that we should be suspicious of this score. It's not as if we're just jumping the guy for having an opinion or reviewing it lowly, we're because his reasons are extremely strange and comments the reviewer has made on twitch.

Not to mention the article they redacted calling the Forza 6 TV spot insulting to older racing games.
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So ignore him and his score, what does it matter. Why do we need to go endlessly on about it. As I said up thread the only opinion that truly matters is your own when you boot up FM6 for the firs time ;)
 
PzR Slim
So ignore him and his score, what does it matter. Why do we need to go endlessly on about it. As I said up thread the only opinion that truly matters is your own when you boot up FM6 for the firs time ;)
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I'm not endlessly going on about it, I already said twice that it's my opinion and that there is no reason to take it beyond that. Others keep trying to argue against my opinion on it, I'm fine with completely ending it here.
 
Terronium-12
Then what's to prevent Microsoft or Turn 10 from doing the same, thus tainting the review score for FM6?

This is the thing that always gets me whenever review scores are criticized and I'm not directing this toward you: whenever a game someone doesn't like for whatever reason gets a higher score than they'd give it, it obviously means they were paid off. Whenever a game that's critically acclaimed gets a lower score it means someone has a vendetta.

They're called opinions and surprisingly enough they're subjective.
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Oh i have no doubt that MS do the same thing, They were caught paying bloggers $30,000 recently for video's so imagine how much more popular gaming sites receive.
 
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All I can say is roll on Thursday 13.00 UTC. Means we will all be off here and not getting at each others throats because we are all desperate to play!
 
FordGTGuy
I'm sorry but a guy that says Forza should have the physics of GRID Autosports is pushing it a bit. His negatives include having to drive slow cars, the existence of things like rewind that can be turned off and a extremely odd claim of accelerating a car in a straight line and randomly flipping it.

I of course think the whole review system is screwed up as it is.
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He didn't say that in the review, however I also prefer the driving and racing in GRID Autosport and also Driveclub compared to FM6.
 
Absolutely great reviews coming in.. I've only read and watched one bad review and the video review for games radar+ reminded me why I don't go to there site.. Both a bunch of inexperienced game journalists, I find quite annoying.

He faults the game for having bad inconsistently with the AI. Now it was only just last night I had 3 races on the bonce in Forza 5 where the drivatars gave me addreniline fueled races(pro difficulty) I carnt see Forza 6 being any worse but better if anything.

Then he goes on to say the racing is boring!!?? Seriously if your going to get someone to review games at games radar + at least have specialists in generes and do your research before videoing how clueless you both are.

Rant over.. Great reviews all the same. Forza 6 has set a new standard for current gen and I carnt wait to sink my teeth into it!
 
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