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Any word on the game's Achievements?
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With the game already gone gold, I can imagine some people getting copies earlier than even early access for those who pre-ordered digitally (Premium Edition).
 
This means that FM8 has six known Forza editions. I really hope these are the only Forza editions so far, because they take up unnecessary space in the car list. In my opinion, an oddball car would be a lesser evil compared to a Forza edition car.
I think Welcome Pack cars are worse. At least Forza Editions have completely different specs and often different bodykits, whereas Welcome Pack cars are pure pre-tuned duplicates but take up space as separate vehicles.
 
I think Welcome Pack cars are worse. At least Forza Editions have completely different specs and often different bodykits, whereas Welcome Pack cars are pure pre-tuned duplicates but take up space as separate vehicles.
That too. It's no wonder I wouldn't count both Forza editions and Welcome Pack cars as actual cars.
 
I know; I've been waiting for them since Friday and the preload made me think people would have access to them.

The INSTANT I went downstairs for some food...
 
But that's the thing. The body matches the shape of the '89. The '90 cars I posted above; they have the Whistler livery but not the same body, not to mention the wrong car number.
The only difference I see is the hood and that just means that it has the V8 engine instead of the V6.
 
The only difference I see is the hood and that just means that it has the V8 engine instead of the V6.

Okay, let me break it down again.

All I'm saying is the FM6/FM7 rendition of this car appears to have:

  • The body of the 1989 (hood scoop, roof line, front bumper)
  • The Whistler/Cougar XR7 livery of a 1990... (self-evident)
  • ... but with the car number #15 of a 1991, which only appeared IRL on a livery with Mustang lettering (also self-evident).

I couldn't find a single real-life photo of a #15 Whistler Cougar with that body style, specifically, and I think the car/livery/number as shown in Forza never existed. Hence why I think it's a mashup. All three of these elements, individually, existed, but not all three at the same time. Every time I try to look this up I just find Forza screenshots. Went as far as looking up the 1989, 1990, and 1991 IMSA schedules on RSC to try and get a clue, but no dice.
 
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Okay, let me break it down again.

All I'm saying is the FM6/FM7 rendition of this car appears to have:

  • The body of the 1989 (hood scoop, roof line, front bumper)
  • The Whistler/Cougar XR7 livery of a 1990... (self-evident)
  • ... but with the car number #15 of a 1991, which only appeared IRL on a livery with Mustang lettering (also self-evident).

I couldn't find a single real-life photo of a #15 Whistler Cougar with that body style, specifically, and I think the car/livery/number as shown in Forza never existed. Hence why I think it's a mashup. All three of these elements, individually, existed, but not all three at the same time. Every time I try to look this up I just find Forza screenshots. Went as far as looking up the 1989, 1990, and 1991 IMSA schedules on RSC to try and get a clue, but no dice.
This came directly from the same site that your pictures did:

The 1990 Roush IMSA Cougars were piloted by the team of Pete Halsmer, Robby Gordon and Dorsey Schroeder. The car to the right (#6) was stuffed with a turbocharged V6, as noted by the flat hood. However, as certain tracks demanded different engines, a V8 car was used. Again there were three main cars, with #9 and #15 joining this one. Corporate sponsor for the 1990 Mercury race team was Whistler, a major manufacturer of radar detectors.

There was, at least according to this site, a #15 Whistler Radar Cougar. Then again it also says Pete Halsmer drove for them, which he didn't so it probably isn't entirely accurate either. It does seem actual pictures are hard to find.

I wouldn't be surprised if they found a replica somewhere that was incorrect the only thing I was able to find was a painting of a #15 Whistler Radar Cougar.

This one is a little odd.

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Oddly enough I found a photo of a #11 Whistler Radar Cougar at the 1990 24 Hrs of Daytona it finished 8th, but look at the car in 5th:

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It existed! It took a lot of digging, but I found it.

 
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Just thought I'd keep a track of some cars not yet in FM2023 from FH5.
  • This list doesn't include any FM7 or FH4 exclusive cars
  • Didn't include any off-road vehicles or vans or SUVs.
Obviously the final list has yet to be revealed so this is very much a WIP. But some cars here would be baffling to cut IMO. Like some real Forza staples. Not the end of the world if they don't make it, but certainly very weird.

These ones stood out to me;

2011 Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
2013 Ford Shelby GT500
2012 Hennessey Venom GT
2003 Honda S2000
2008 Koenigsegg CCGT
2010 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SV
1997 Lotus Elise GT1
1998 Mercedes-Benz AMG CLK GTR
2010 Pagani Zonda R
2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster
1963 Volkswagen Beetle

Full List:

2017 Abarth 124 Spider
2016 Abarth 695 Biposto
1980 Abarth Fiat 131
1968 Abarth 595 esseesse
2002 Acura RSX Type-S
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
2014 Alfa Romeo 4C
2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4
1968 Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Stradale
1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ2
2012 Ascari KZ1-R Limited Edition
2010 Aston Martin One-77
2018 ATS GT
1991 Bentley Turbo R
1931 Bentley 4½ Litre Supercharged
1931 Bentley 8-Litre
2016 BMW M2 Coupé
2014 BMW M4 Coupe
2011 BMW 1 Series M Coupe
2009 BMW M5 V10 E60
2008 BMW M3 E92
2008 BMW Z4 M Coupe
2003 BMW M5 E39
1995 BMW M5 E34
2011 Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
1996 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport
1964 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport 409
1960 Chevrolet Corvette
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air
1955 Chevrolet 150 Utility Sedan
1953 Chevrolet Corvette
2022 CUPRA UrbanRebel Concept
1982 DeLorean DMC 12
2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat
2008 Dodge Magnum SRT8
1968 Dodge Dart Hemi Super Stock
2011 Eagle Speedster
2022 Ferrari 296 GTB
2017 Ferrari GTC4Lusso
2015 Ferrari 488 GTB
2010 Ferrari 599 GTO
2010 Ferrari 599XX
2007 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
2005 Ferrari FXX
1968 Ferrari 365 GTB/4
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E 1400
2016 Ford Mustang GT350R
2014 Ford Fiesta ST
2014 Ford FPV Limited Edition Pursuit Ute
2013 Ford Shelby GT500
2010 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
1994 Ford Supervan 3
1985 Ford RS200 Evolution
1973 Ford Capri RS3100
1972 Ford Falcon XA GT-HO
1970 Ford GT70
1959 Ford Anglia 105E
1940 Ford De Luxe Coupe
1932 Ford De Luxe Five-Window Coupe
All Formula Drift Cars
1985 HDT VK Commodore SS Group A
2021 Hennessey Venom F5
2019 Hennessey Camaro Exorcist
2012 Hennessey Venom GT
2016 Honda Civic Type-R
2007 Honda Civic Type-R
2005 Honda NSX-R GT
2003 Honda S2000
1994 Honda Prelude Si
1984 Honda Civic CRX Mugen
1974 Honda Civic RS
2015 Infiniti Q60 Concept
2019 Italdesign DaVinci Concept
2018 Italdesign Zerouno
2016 Jaguar F Type Project 7
2015 Jaguar XE-S
2012 Jaguar XKR-S
2010 Jaguar C-X75
1966 Jaguar XJ13
1964 Jaguar E-Type Lightweight
2016 Koenigsegg Regera
2015 Koenigsegg One:1
2011 Koenigsegg Agera
2008 Koenigsegg CCGT
2002 Koenigsegg CC8S
2023 Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica
2020 Lamborghini SC20
2018 Lamborghini #63 Squadra Corse Huracán Super Trofeo Evo
2014 Lamborghini Hurácan LP 610-4
2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
2011 Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
2010 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SV
2008 Lamborghini Reventón
1992 Lancia Delta HF Integrale EVO
1986 Lancia Delta S4
1982 Lancia 037 Stradale
1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale
1997 Lexus SC300
2012 Lotus Exige S
1999 Lotus Elise Series 1 Sport 190
1997 Lotus Elise GT1
2010 Maserati Gran Turismo S
2008 Maserati MC12 Versione Corsa
2005 Mazda Mazdaspeed MX-5
2019 McLaren Speedtail
2015 McLaren 570S Coupé
2015 McLaren 650S Coupe
2015 Mercedes-AMG GT S
2013 Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG
1998 Mercedes-Benz AMG CLK GTR
1987 Mercedes-Benz AMG Hammer Coupe
1929 Mercedes-Benz SSK Roadster
1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler
2020 MG #20 MG6 XPower TCR
2015 MG MG 3
2005 MG X Power SV
2009 MINI John Cooper Works
1988 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R
1958 Morris Minor 1000
2010 Mosler MT900S
2006 Mosler MT900 GT3
1933 Napier Napier-Railton
2012 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
2010 Noble M600
2006 Noble M400
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
2022 Pagani Huayra R
2010 Pagani Zonda R
2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster
1991 Peugeot 205 Rallye
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S
1958 Plymouth Fury
1965 Pontiac GTO
2019 Porsche #70 Porsche Motorsport 935
2019 Porsche 911 Carrera S
2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
2015 Porsche Cayman GTS
2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S
2012 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0
2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic
1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 by Guntherworks
1990 Porsche 911 by Singer
1971 Porsche #23 Martini International Racing Team 917/20 'Pink Pig'
1964 Porsche 356 C Cabriolet Emory Special
1959 Porsche 356A 1600 Super
2013 Renault Clio RS 200
2010 Renault Clio RS
2010 Renault Megane RS 250
1968 Renault 4L Export
1993 Schuppan 962CR
2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
2022 Toyota GR86
2013 Toyota GT86
1965 Toyota Sports 800
2005 TVR Sagaris
1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12
2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR
1990 Vauxhall Lotus Carlton
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R
2010 Volkswagen Golf R
1963 Volkswagen Beetle
2015 Volvo V60 Polestar
1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution
CLK GTR!
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It existed! It took a lot of digging, but I found it.


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I stand corrected - and I really shouldn't be looking this up at work when I am clearly not spending enough time looking this up. Thank you for being more diligent than I am, that's on me.
 
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The plot thickens!

Some more car list thoughts;

Despite all of the cuts - it's still a really solid list to launch from.

It's a shame though because I know people will say "well these cut cars, they could all be added later" but the same thing was said of FH5's cut cars from FH4. We have seen some returns of course, but plenty of peoples favourites from prior games remain that - like the Kia Stinger, VW IDR, MP4-12C, CCX etc.

So while I think it's likely we see some the of cuts back at some point - Some will definitely be lost, that list is way to large.

Also heaps of new rims? That's a great development and I hope some are more devoted to classic cars (more mesh wheels please!)

Just need the wheel offset upgrade from FH5 and I'll be happy!
 
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I stand corrected - and I really shouldn't be looking this up at work when I am clearly not spending enough time looking this up. Thank you for being more diligent than I am, that's on me.
No worries, at this point I had gotten so invested in this mystery it became more of for my own knowledge than anything else. I had gone beyond the point of proving myself right or wrong and into solving the mystery of #15.


Ironically enough, I was also looking this up at work. I was just about ready to give up when I found that.
 
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I'm also very curious about the state of Free Play in FM2023.

Anybody get the feeling it's going to be exactly the same as in FM7?

We've had no word of the mode at all. I feel if there was any big improvements to it, T10 would have been advertising that long before the game has gone gold.

Which is a shame. I was really hoping for custom championships and a sharecode system similar to FH5. Another thing to request for post launch, I guess.
 
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