FR and RR

[Pistachio]

Heh i thought FR is the best car and i'mn worng then I should try using more RR wheel drive car

Edit: Oh yeah and thanks for the opinion

Nobody said it's better, I'm just a Porsche nut so of course i rather an RR. But it is not wise to compare the RGT (the only RR) to every FR in the game. Use the RGT, learn it and you will love it on its own merits.

 

[extreme car]

Nobody said it's better, I'm just a Porsche nut so of course i rather an RR. But it is not wise to compare the RGT (the only RR) to every FR in the game. Use the RGT, learn it and you will love it on its own merits.

oww....... thx then

 

[Scaff]

I believe IRL they call those Front Midship, rear drive. The RX-8 (small engine)and SLR (Super long front end) are both set up that way. I think the 350Z is borderline.

TVR Tuscans can also be classed as Front Mid-engined, as the straight six engine is behind the front wheels.

 

[R_Riders]

Here are my thoughts, also an indirect reply to Flat-out...

You know, in my opnion, since I’m an FR addict, I’d pick FR. I’m aware of the fact that some cars are classified as front-midship due to how the engine is just on or a bit behind the front axle.

Maybe it’s me just becuase I’ve been into cars since childhood, but I don’t think some should call a front/midship car a mid engine car . A legimite mid engine car has the engine behind the cockpit, infront of or right on the rear axle. Thus front/midship are in my opnion no more or less FR’s than those that have their engines on or infront of the front axle.

This is how i see all the drivetrains due to how I’ve learned cars...

FF- Front engine Front drive
Engine is in front of, on or just behind rear axle, power is transfered to only the front tires.

FR - Front engine Rear drive.
Engine is in front of, on or just behind the front axle, and is in FRONT of the cockpit.

MR- Mid engine Rear drive, the engine is behind the front axle, and BEHIND the cockpit, either just ahead or on the rear axle.

RR- Rear engine Rear drive. The engine is BEHIND the rear axle, BEHIND the cockpit (I know the last part is an oxymoron but I’m making sure...).

4WD - either front, mid or rear engine with power being transfered to all four tires, by some standard, at least and no less tahn 50 % of power and torque to the rear tires or so I figure.

Examples -
F-4WD - Ford Escort Rally car, Mitsubishi Lancer (evo 1-8+)
M-4WD - Lamborghini Diablo, Tommi Karia ZZ- and ZZ II
R-4WD - Porsche 959, 911 Turbo (993, 996 etc)

This is how I see the drivetrains, to me it seams ‘correct’, sorry if I seam wrong or arrogant but this is how I’d figure after looking over car facts for a few years.

Maybe it's me but FR is just my style...

That’s enough of my talk...till later...

 

[Scaff]

Hey which one of this is the best? and which one is faster?

Best at what?

Depends on what your criteria are? Handling, traction, cost of production, interior space? FR and RR have strengths and weakness' in all these areas. As your second questions covers speed and this is a GT forum, I will go with handling and in this regard most people would consider the FR layout to be generally better than RR. Its is however quite subjective, because it will still depend on the car; I think that most would agree that a '67 Corvette Stingray is not a better handling car than a RUF RGT (please be aware that this is not a slight on the 'vette - just picked an older FR at random).

Which one is faster?

Lap time, 0-30, 0-60 or 1/4 mile?

Again it depends, RR cars are legendary for 0-30 and 0-60 times that are well above the norm for there power to weight ratios, all that weight over the back wheels.

With lap times and 1/4 mile we are once again in a very subjective area, on paper FR should have the advantage once the initial launch is over (see the point on handling above). However that does not explain the fact that Porsche are arguably one of the most succesful manufacturers in Motorsport ever and almost all their racing models have been RR.

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but its just not that simple a question.

 

[Tedehur]

Here are my thoughts, also an indirect reply to Flat-out...

My question should have been posted on a brand new thread...
It seems that they is no common agreement on where to classify front-midship engines, so I guess the answer to my question is 'there is no answer'.

 

[truenofan]

well, again due to the fact that there are more fr than rr in the game, comparison may be down. there are more choices on the fr, more choices on what suits your driving, unlike the rr, there are so few, and some to which your driving doesnt suit you well.

 

[Duke]

My question should have been posted on a brand new thread...
It seems that they is no common agreement on where to classify front-midship engines, so I guess the answer to my question is 'there is no answer'.

There is a common agreement on this subject:

Actually, it's not any portion of the engine that determines the classification, it's the centerline. If the centerline of the engine (axis of crankshaft on transverse engines, or midpoint of crankshaft on longitudinal engines) is between the centerlines of the wheels, then it's a mid-engine vehicle.

 

[R_Riders]

Okay...I'm actually confused...so you mean that you're saying it's not the actuall engine itself that detirmes if a car is whatever drive train but the centerline of it and where it lays between whatever wheels, then it's a mid engine, which wheels? the front or the rear?...I'm most likley sounding stupid but I need to make sure I've certain of this...

maybe it's just me, I can't just call a Panoz LMP-1 or a Esprante GTR a MID engine car...or the C5R, Z06, etc...I'll need to look into this more...

 

[Scaff]

maybe it's just me, I can't just call a Panoz LMP-1 or a Esprante GTR a MID engine car...or the C5R, Z06, etc...I'll need to look into this more...

Thats why a lot of people use the term 'front-mid engined', others that could be classed as this include the Mazda RX-8 and the TVR Tuscan/T350C.

 

[kensei]

It is hard to compare them at all in GT3.

If it is strictly comparing RR (the RUF RGT being the only RR car in the game) and a FR car of the same class (shall we say a TVR Tuscan or even the top of the line non-race Corevette) - the RGT will out perform them both and most FR cars near it in HP/PWR/Torque in GT3. I happen to be a Porsche fan too so I may be biased a bit. The RGT is one of the few non-race cars in GT3 than can hang with race cars or win most races in any mode.

I think in real life a Porshe 911 will own most FR cars near it in HP/PWR/Torque, but I attribute that more to the Porsche design, handling and suspension than anything. We all know Porshce makes some of the best sportscars on the road. The RUFs being turner versions basically are that much better.

Otherwise i agree with the;

MR > FR > RR > 4WD > FF

in GT3.