FRL~ToCA11~GTP #1~ CHAMPIONS: Ninners (RPM-ECM), AMD87 (Alfa) Team SYM (Nissan)! FINAL TABLES UP!Open 

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Did anyones screen freeze for a split second or run slow mo at all cause i had a few times and wondering if that might have been the issue
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
Did anyones screen freeze for a split second or run slow mo at all cause i had a few times and wondering if that might have been the issue
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I had that on occasion.
 
I didn't know at the time that @hsv was shoved into me. He could have slowed down and let me past after ramming me into the gravel, I'm pretty sure that's in either the rules here or the GTP ORL.
 
Furinkazen
I had that on occasion.
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Caught me out a few times coming into a braking zone, screen freezes, holy crap theyve braked! never pressed the square button so hard in my life.
 
MatheusBond
I had said prior to BH that I sucked there. This time I was at a fitter track. You were pretty good as well, despite a few bumps.
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The 86 just gets swamped so much, you have to push stupidly hard in the corners, which gets you held up. It only needs a tiny bit more straight line pace.

Scaniabebe
As I've just stated moments ago, I've gone to the Stewards before about incidences that have ruined my race - and pretty much every single time, I've been ignored.
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Although i'm against deliberate retaliation moves, stewarding can be inconsistent at times, so it's a bit annoying when you get constantly battered and the culprits get nothing for it.
Holdenhsvgtsr
Did anyones screen freeze for a split second or run slow mo at all cause i had a few times and wondering if that might have been the issue
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Once or twice. Thankfully, nobody was around when it happened.
DK
I didn't know at the time that @hsv was shoved into me. He could have slowed down and let me past after ramming me into the gravel, I'm pretty sure that's in either the rules here or the GTP ORL.
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Why should I sacrifice places for something I had no input in?
 
Upon further consideration, I'm sorry, @hsv. I truly believed that you had rammed me with no input from anyone else. I still think you could have done more than just drive past while I was struggling out of the gravel.
 
hsv
Although i'm against deliberate retaliation moves, stewarding can be inconsistent at times, so it's a bit annoying when you get constantly battered and the culprits get nothing for it.
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ALL THE 👍 TO YOU! Been my biggest complaint about this whole series.
 
Furinkazen
Are you kidding? You message us about EVERY single thing and more often than not its a racing incident. Only time you've contributed worthwhile was Willow when Lancer did indeed get something for it.

I could always bring last season up if I wanted...
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Look, I don't want to have to swap paint with people.. I want to just have a clean, fun race like everybody else does. But when people decide to push me out of the way or off the track - then I'm sorry, but then I'm obviously not going to drive nicely anymore because someone has just took advantage of me being considerate. And saying I believe I've only reported one other incident this Season - hardly message you about every single thing.

Ninners
You doing it back to someone makes you just as worse than him, that and you barely lost any time. So pushing to pass isn't the best thing is it. Then moaning like baby because someone did it to you when you did it yourself too. :rolleyes:
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Thing is, if I don't do anything - I then still have lost the position and even if I make a complaint that is successful - almost never are the results switched back around - which means valuable points are lost. Simple.
 
DK
Upon further consideration, I'm sorry, @hsv. I truly believed that you had rammed me with no input from anyone else. I still think you could have done more than just drive past while I was struggling out of the gravel.
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He's actually being honest here from Pm's ^^^
 
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Scaniabebe
Look, I don't want to have to swap paint with people.. I want to just have a clean, fun race like everybody else does. But when people decide to push me out of the way or off the track - then I'm sorry, but then I'm obviously not going to drive nicely anymore because someone has just took advantage of me being considerate. And saying I believe I've only reported one other incident this Season - hardly message you about every single thing.



Thing is, if I don't do anything - I then still have lost the position and even if I make a complaint that is successful - almost never are the results switched back around - which means valuable points are lost. Simple.
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Well positions switching is now viable since I altered stewarding rulings during the break.
 
Furinkazen
Well positions switching is now viable since I altered stewarding rulings during the break.
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Well at least we're getting somewhere with this :rolleyes:
 
DK
Upon further consideration, I'm sorry, @hsv. I truly believed that you had rammed me with no input from anyone else. I still think you could have done more than just drive past while I was struggling out of the gravel.
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Okay, apology accepted. It gets heated on track at times.

And I was still trying to slow down when I went past you, so I couldn't really do too much.

LancerEvo7
ALL THE 👍 TO YOU! Been my biggest complaint about this whole series.
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LancerEvo7
Then touring cars aren't for you. They're made for beating and banging.
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I'm fine with small taps and bits of action like that. But what I'm not happy with is when someone hits you hard enough that it sends you almost straight on (like what you did in Race 2).

Besides, I like my Renault :P
 
Despite all the contact in ToCA that's happened in the time I've been racing, I've never brought any incident to the race stewards. Frankly I can't be bothered because it won't move you up anyway and you still lose time if it's a major incident.

ToCA is rough but deliberately ramming somebody wide is stupid in my opinion and you could get your own penalty yourself so it isn't the best thing to do.

Oh and if you want to reverse positions it won't happen as I would have passed even if I had lifted or not, that and you tried to do the same to me.
 
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A tap up the backside, or a nudge, is touring cars. Deliberate divebombs and similar ridiculous moves is banger racing.

Let's keep ToCA to the former.
 
Ninners
ToCA is rough but deliberately ramming somebody wide is stupid in my opinion and you could get your own penalty yourself so it isn't the best thing to do.
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Thing is, if someone's already rammed you first. Simply returning that makes the standings equal - but if just one shoves the other then obviously, the innocent party will loose out.
 
Scaniabebe
I'm fine with small taps and bits of action like that. But what I'm not happy with is when someone hits you hard enough that it sends you almost straight on (like what you did in Race 2).
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Race 1 we could argue all night. Questions like who had rights to the turn and the like. Tbh I don't care.
Race 2, I have no clue what you're on about.
Race 3, I can see why you'd be upset with that one, but imo that's a prime example of touring car racing. I was faster, there wasn't room, so I made room. Didn't hurt you too much though.
 
I'd like to see a big clampdown in T12. Every move that results in another car losing a fair bit of time/positions should get a penalty.

BTCC has had a hefty clampdown this year, and it's preventing bonehead moves.
 
I don't think "making room" is acceptable tbh. Banging doors maybe, but you shouldn't be pushing another car wide because you couldn't fit otherwise.
 
Race 1: All I care about is - that I had two options - and one was going to have led to a definite crash (going off the line on the outside)
Race 2: When you push me wide and yourself and the Lexus storm past.
Race 3: I had the apex, you then mount the kerb and grass and deliberately shove me out the way instead of waiting for a better opportunity.
 
From my view Lancer was on the inside and had position. Scania was going to go wide anyway.
 
Ninners
From my view Lancer was on the inside and had position. Scania was going to go wide anyway.
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It doesn't bloody matter about what was going to happen. At that precise moment in time, I was on the inside and racing line and I was shoved out of the way. Yes, I may have gone wide later in the corner but that's still no exception to just shove the thing out the way.
 
Andil
I don't think "making room" is acceptable tbh. Banging doors maybe, but you shouldn't be pushing another car wide because you couldn't fit otherwise.
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Eh when a car's so fast down the straights that you can't keep up even with draft, so you can't pass without making a ridiculous divebomb, sometimes you have to employ other methods.
 
LancerEvo7
Eh when a car's so fast down the straights that you can't keep up even with draft, so you can't pass without making a ridiculous divebomb, sometimes you have to employ other methods.
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No, you don't employ other methods. You wait until there's a good point to make a clean pass. Yes, the Renault is fastest down the straight, but it struggles in the corners. Thing is, if I had that line - there's no need for you to barge me off it. It's not sportsman like...
 
Scaniabebe
You wait until there's a good point to make a clean pass.
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Except there won't be, especially if the faster (on straights) car is driving only slightly defensively. Every time I tried a clean pass I got turned in on, or got beside you and you powered away.
 
If your car is prone to running wide, and you are on the inside, don't act as though the other cars can just give way to you.

Leave space.
 
LancerEvo7
Except there won't be, especially if the faster (on straights) car is driving only slightly defensively. Every time I tried a clean pass I got turned in on, or got beside you and you powered away.
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Your problem then. You should have tried to dive in with the best car you could when you had the chance. Thing is, if I've already committed to a corner - there's not much that we can do - and if I power away - once again, your problem! Other drivers I've raced with in TOCA on previous rounds have managed to overtake just fine without a problem - but you come along and next minute you know - you're heading away from the direction of the track.
 
LancerEvo7
Eh when a car's so fast down the straights that you can't keep up even with draft, so you can't pass without making a ridiculous divebomb, sometimes you have to employ other methods.
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Wait till the corners? We were pretty terrible hrough final sector for example, would have been a golden opportunity.

You hit me wide through the long right hander in R2 but I haven't fussed too much about it, made sure to lean on your door in return at the next corner so you knew about it. Hit me multiple times in that race actually but I was prepared for the impact so never got taken off track. No one else hit me though, so I think Scania has a point today.
 
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