FRL~WSC VIII - GTP #1 Enduros! FURI & ANDIL WIN THE FINAL AT SPA!Finished

[Roflwaffle]

A low 33 by Snow. (.1, .2?)

 

[FlyingFox]

Do we really have to start with this after the first race, a race, the type of which is at one of the extremes of the season? Let's stick to the facts, shall we?

1) My GTO was at 7 with its tyres when I pitted and they sort of went off a cliff at about 30 laps. If others had 7, then it was even for them. The fact that I was so far ahead was primarily, because I didn't have the slightest problem the whole race. I went wide and through the grass exactly once. I don't think I ever had that little happen to me in any of the last 3 seasons I took part in WSC.

2) I was the only GTO at the top. To concoct a situation where the GTO's are dominating the field is unfounded, especially since the GTO is best suited to the twisty tracks. I said this all along, and I also said that OVERALL the cars are balanced. Since Furi put all the twisty tracks at the beginning of the calendar, you will have to wait for the ones better suited for your car. Which brings me to …

3) You're in the fastest car for Le Mans.

Fox, your rant against the GTO is all fine and well, you're entitled to your opinion after all, but the only thing that counts is lap times. Yes, it's the best in corners, but it's the slowest on straights and the differences between the cars are in the range of 0.5s per lap. And if it was so dominating, then it should have been with all 3 cars, especially on this track. And yet, the grid order was a mixed affair and Waffle was within 3 tenths in the SL, so I don't understand what you're on about. I understand you're lobbying to get your car boosted, but fact of the matter is, it already was, even with the risk that it might be overpowered at Le Mans.

I'm going to answer this in full tomorrow, but suffice it to say I'm not lobbying for the C2 to get a boost. Not in the slightest

 

[Furinkazen]

@FlyingFox and @snowgt i'm negating this entire line of discussion right now.

BoP has been tested at several tracks (by Snow himself). I'm also doing race results now and looking through times. You cannot judge it on 1 race alone. Fox had a rough night getting lag spiked by a 250 putting him back. Snow had a faultless run. Yera couldn;t get car to work and Daiba kept it going. It's impossible to take conclusions. Fox's issue is more the eligibility of the car. I'll point out that GT-O is intended to be an "open" class and you were damn lucky not to get htis in the field this season (it nearly did).

Doing results now.

 

[Yeratel84]

@FlyingFox and @snowgt i'm negating this entire line of discussion right now.

BoP has been tested at several tracks (by Snow himself). I'm also doing race results now and looking through times. You cannot judge it on 1 race alone. Fox had a rough night getting lag spiked by a 250 putting him back. Snow had a faultless run. Yera couldn;t get car to work and Daiba kept it going. It's impossible to take conclusions. Fox's issue is more the eligibility of the car. I'll point out that GT-O is intended to be an "open" class and you were damn lucky not to get htis in the field this season (it nearly did).

Doing results now.

I could get the car to work alright... just couldn't get the track to work (unfortunately it's out of my reach)

 

[Furinkazen]

Standings: @Pluxtheduck @gtpanoz at us all getting identical fastest laps

 

[LancerEvo7]

Ferrari with their best result of the GT6 era in PT?

 

[Furinkazen]

Ferrari with their best result of the GT6 era in PT?

Yes.

 

[chrisjohnson93]

It shows how much pace I was lacking when my fastest race lap was 1.4 seconds slower than anyone else and 2.9 off the GT-O lead. I'm hoping that N24 will be a massive improvement otherwise it's going to be a long season for me

 

[Furinkazen]

Worth noting a couple changes that are important ESPECIALLY in timed races for classification.

Cut off is 2/3rds race distance. In timed events, still laps covered.

Drivers who are running at end get classified. If Joe had DC'd on lap 63 he would have been classified 10th as he was not running when flag fell. 250% rule is in place to prevent people hanging around in pits (eg being away for half hour at Le Mans and coming back for last lap) and coming back on to score points due to this change.

 

[RyanRacer]

Well that was like pulling teeth.


Firstly, Ryan. Bothers to show up, Qualifies, then as we are about to go on the parade lap he leaves the lobby lag bumping me, destroying the car and says he has to go somewhere leaving a perfectly good seat for someone else.

NOT IMPRESSED.

Now the Ferrari GTO.

I'm calling for this car to be banned for next season:

1) Its far to light. Lighter car = less fuel use and less tyre wear.
2) Fat tyres. The Tyres on this car are the same width as Oxfordshire. Wide tyres = more grip. Overkill by Ferrari.
3) It’s not a homologated car as the rest of the cars in the GTO class; it’s a pure racing car. It’s like me putting the C2 race car into this series. At 340 BHP (which is the same at the C2 I’m racing now) its 509PP. It would trash the opposition.

In the meantime I request something be done to even the odds.

GTO (Gran Turismo Omologata) a homologated car for racing

In racing series that are "production-based," meaning that the vehicles entered in the series are based on production vehicles for sale to the public, homologation requires not only compliance with a racing series' technical guidelines (for example, engine displacement, chassis construction, suspension design and such) but it often includes minimum levels of sales to ensure that vehicles are not designed and produced solely for racing in that series.

I was just typing up to say I wasn't there!



Also Ryan WTF.

Look, I unfortunately did not calculate how long it would take for the race to start. I originally thought that I would be able to finish the race before I would have to depart. Of course, the time interval between qualifying and the actual race would not make that possible. I should have just gone on with the race and then left when I really had to. That is my fault, and I am sorry about that. Now can we please just forget about all of the problems I have caused? Or will you continue to hold a grudge against me?

 

[Akmuq]

Standings: @Pluxtheduck @gtpanoz at us all getting identical fastest laps

Hilarious.

 

[Yeratel84]

Hilarious.

Not really... Furi was just lazy and only posted laps up to the one-hundreth of a second...

 

[FlyingFox]

@FlyingFox and @snowgt i'm negating this entire line of discussion right now.

BoP has been tested at several tracks (by Snow himself). I'm also doing race results now and looking through times. You cannot judge it on 1 race alone. Fox had a rough night getting lag spiked by a 250 putting him back. Snow had a faultless run. Yera couldn;t get car to work and Daiba kept it going. It's impossible to take conclusions. Fox's issue is more the eligibility of the car. I'll point out that GT-O is intended to be an "open" class and you were damn lucky not to get htis in the field this season (it nearly did).

This is it exactly.

Look, I unfortunately did not calculate how long it would take for the race to start. I originally thought that I would be able to finish the race before I would have to depart. Of course, the time interval between qualifying and the actual race would not make that possible. I should have just gone on with the race and then left when I really had to. That is my fault, and I am sorry about that. Now can we please just forget about all of the problems I have caused? Or will you continue to hold a grudge against me?

My issue is that @Furinkazen told everyone what time qualifying was going to take place and how long the session would last so armed with this information you should have made an informed choice to vacate your seat and give it to someone else who wanted to race.

If I where you I would not do this again as this constitutes selfish behaviour.

 

[snowgt]

What lap time was GTO pole out of interest?

Managed to squeeze out a 32.8., which was a personal best for me with a full tank. So, quite in line with your prediction of what you could possibly do. I first did a 33.2, which Waffle beat, so I had to make a second run to get pole.

Would have been interesting, if you had showed up.

 

[snowgt]

This is it exactly.

Ok, I think I understand where you're coming from. Truth of the matter is though, that the GTO is the 250GT's direct successor that was run in the same races and a distinction between road and race cars for GT's is just arbitrary. That's why there is a BoP.

As to the advantages in tyre wear and fuel consumption, we had the same thing with the Alpine when I was (actually we both were) in the Corvette. And I have to check the replays, but I bet the difference was bigger then than it is now.

 

[R0ssingt0n]

The Le Mans winning Mustang is back!

 

[Roflwaffle]

Managed to squeeze out a 32.8., which was a personal best for me with a full tank. So, quite in line with your prediction of what you could possibly do. I first did a 33.2, which Waffle beat, so I had to make a second run to get pole.

Damn that's fast.

 

[snowgt]

Damn that's fast.

Maybe. But you were pushing me to get the most out of the car. Also in the race you were really close for 15-20 laps or so. There would have been no room for error.

Looks like you will be a contender in the overall GT-O competition. The Mercedes is really fast in a straight line as well.

 

[raceorama123432]

250 GTO (lack of) tyre wear...

250 GT had tyre wear. I was sliding her around all over the place!

My race was a steep learning curve. Quali was my first ever flying laps with the car/track combo and I'm 3rd wasn't bad at all. I thought that I might be able to take the fight to @Roflwaffle for second. However, I started on the outside which meant that @Siggers could get better line through Paddock and Druids. He made the move stick and I was down to 4th. After a battle with him I noticed that the Mustang was slightly faster on the straights. This meant that my overtake would have to be on the brakes. My first attempt at this was thwarted by Sig's great defending and meant I had to get I the brakes to avoid contact. This allowed @Yeratel84 through. After a good few laps battle with @Downhill Dino I caught back up to the Yera-Sig fight and past Yera. The as I was battling with Sig the GT-P three way battle caught up to us and I was the unlucky victim of @Pluxtheduck 's Jag (through no fault of his own) and was subject to damage. This dropped me out of contention for a podium (or any race at all at the time I thought). After pitting I past @chrisjohnson93 with relative ease in HMS Jaaaaaaag. Then the others in front pitted and I had a brief battle with Yera but his tyres were better than mine and he pulled away. Then he spun and I past him again. He caught up only for a brake failure to allow him to run into the back of me and give me damage. He was very apologetic and stayed behind me until after we'd both pitted. Then whilst trying to catch up to me he spun and called it a night. This sealed 5th, or so I thought. With two to go I saw a silver car in the distance getting increasingly closer. This was Dino and it was for position. However the race was one lap too short and just missed out on trying to pass him for 4th. I didn't know if it was for position at the time so tried to over take to see if it was. However he hasn't noticed the flag and carried on racing. It took him till the pilgrims drop to realise that it was over And it was for position. Was a race of what could have been, but mighty good fun

 

[jammy21]

Damn lag! All the practice hours gone to wind...

Track for next race is Nurbugring 24h, right?

Spoiler: Just checking

Ha ha I knew it

... so that I'll practice in right track...

 

[Downhill Dino]

With two to go I saw a silver car in the distance getting increasingly closer. This was Dino and it was for position. However the race was one lap too short and just missed out on trying to pass him for 4th. I didn't know if it was for position at the time so tried to over take to see if it was. However he hasn't noticed the flag and carried on racing. It took him till the pilgrims drop to realise that it was over And it was for position. Was a race of what could have been, but mighty good fun

I can't hear what half of Furi says to be honest, so I thought there was another lap to go.

 

[Furinkazen]

Look, I unfortunately did not calculate how long it would take for the race to start. I originally thought that I would be able to finish the race before I would have to depart. Of course, the time interval between qualifying and the actual race would not make that possible.

I should have just gone on with the race and then left when I really had to.

Wait so did you quit for no reason? You just contradicted yourself

 

[raceorama123432]

Is it Matterhorn after Nurb? Or Bathurst?

 

[Furinkazen]

Is it Matterhorn after Nurb? Or Bathurst?

N24, Matterhorn, Daytona, Bathurst, Monza, Silverstone, Red Bull Ring, Spa, Le Mans.

 

[FlyingFox]

Ok, I think I understand where you're coming from. Truth of the matter is though, that the GTO is the 250GT's direct successor that was run in the same races and a distinction between road and race cars for GT's is just arbitrary. That's why there is a BoP.

As to the advantages in tyre wear and fuel consumption, we had the same thing with the Alpine when I was (actually we both were) in the Corvette. And I have to check the replays, but I bet the difference was bigger then than it is now.

Well I say just have the 250GT and that is with in keeping with the rest of the GTO Class.

As I have suggested to @Furinkazen before, for one of the WSC seasons could just have the GTP and GTB catagory using Shelby Daytona, Ferrari 250 GTO, C2 race car and Alfa TZ2

 

[Furinkazen]

Well I say just have the 250GT and that is with in keeping with the rest of the GTO Class.

As I have suggested to @Furinkazen before, for one of the WSC seasons could just have the GTP and GTB catagory using Shelby Daytona, Ferrari 250 GTO, C2 race car and Alfa TZ2

Adjustable D/F throws the Shelby out. Alfa is too underpowered. BUT - they are part of plans. Watch this space...

 

[raceorama123432]

I'd prefer GT-O to GT-B

 

[FlyingFox]

Adjustable D/F throws the Shelby out. Alfa is too underpowered. BUT - they are part of plans. Watch this space...

Err just add spoilers and just boost the Alfa

 

[Furinkazen]

Err just add spoilers and just boost the Alfa

If only everything was that simple. But... we'll you'll see come near season end

 

[FlyingFox]

If only everything was that simple. But... we'll you'll see come near season end

OK. Baited breath and all that....