I and at least one other member informed you that you don't know how closely tied or accurate the graphical and physics models are. I'm sure you've forgotten it already but you came in here thumping your chest about how well Forza's graphical and physical models are tied, yet with no evidence to back it. As a side note, if other areas of the physics model of Forza is flawed as displayed by video evidence in this thread it matters very little anyway.
If GT5 is doing any form of proper real-time aerodynamics, the blocky Standard model cars WOULD be affected by this. The simulated air would not flow as smoothly over these blocky models as it would over the nicely curved premium cars. Good lord, the tires are even somewhat blocky for some Standard model cars (we are talking about PS2 models here). This could make one start to question the real-time tire physics as well and if there even is real-time tire physics. Have you ever tried to roll a Hexadecagon? It surely does not roll the same as a more circular object would..."your words
I then proceeded to tell you that the numbers are likely generic either way, so there's no necessity to tie it to the graphical model. This again proves I wasn't ONLY "stuck" on your issues on the graphics as you falsely claimed.
I never claimed to know. I used the word
if multiple times.
Oh and you conveniently left this part out; you know, where I say it must be one or the other.
deftonesmx17
Therefore, either GT5 does not do real-time aerodynamics and tire traction, or if it does, the physics model would without a doubt be affected by those graphical assets being used; take your pick.
Evidence.......it's known that forza 3 has real time tire deformation. This would be tied to the tire calculations running in the background. Are you seriously going to refute that because I didn't post a link as proof? Or, is it just because you despise forza and will refute anything good about it? I mean if that is why I am doing it against GT, what is stopping you from being the same way?
Like how you just conveniently ignored that almost every single review states it seems like a half arsed product? Most only comment on the braking physics and not how great the physics are as a whole. But seeing as that doesnt fit your view, it's overlooked.."your words
More selective memory and filtering information to suit your views. Not only is your assessment that they ONLY comment on the braking false, but you're now proving my point that you use the reviews when they work in your favor. You do remember just going through a a whole thing about how biased IGN is right?
I really enjoy how you put words in my mouth just to win an argument. Learn how to read, I never said they all only talk about the braking, but many do seem to highlight it as one of the main aspects of its driving model. Slow in, fast out; or does that saying not mean the same thing to you as it does me and the rest of the racing and/or game community?
As for me saying you didn't play the game, if you think I'm not aware that there are Forza fanboys who play GT5 and nitpick every single detail of GT5 due to brand loyalty, you're fooling yourself.
Hmm, it's ok for you to make a point about brand loyalty, but it's completely overlooked when I did.
So now I am a fanboy, that must be why I spent $600 on a PS3 in 2006 specifically to be ready for when GT5 released and have spent countless hours playing the game since it's release...just so I could nitpick it. Perhaps I just like to nitpick all games I paid for, no? I nitpick forza as well; the only difference is I found myself upset with things in GT5 a lot quicker than I got upset over things in forza. Maybe that is where my bias comes into play; have you ever thought about that?
I think your idea that I am a fanboy is leading to your hostility.
I believe it was myself who mentioned the concept of mismanagement as a counter to your assertion that PD was lazy. I could easily quote you because it's in this thread. You're obviously getting worked up and misreading what I'm saying.
Once again, I never said it wasn't you who mentioned that idea of mismanagement. Fell free to try and find where I did and quote me because I am really trying to figure out why you keep jumping to this false conclusion. I did, however, counter your response with reasons why it could be considered as lazy based on the very definition of laziness.
So if no one needs 1000 cars why are you complaining about not having then?
Exactly where did I complain about not having them?
Also this goes back to your assertion that they are lazy. You're obviously not taking into account how big their staff is or even how long it takes to model premiums. More assertions by you with no evidence.
See above. As far as I am concerned, the evidence is there as soon as you start the game. I am not alone in feeling like they may have been a little lazy in regards to certain aspects of the game. As I said, I preceive laziness based on its definition. At any rate, me thinking they are lazy (as well as others thinking the same) is an opinion and should be treated as such. I should not be attacked over it.
So is or isnt the game supposed to be a simulation? If it is a simulation than it was meant to be real, otherwise simulation is being negated.
You're fail to understand that if you make a assertions in the matter of fact manner that you do, you need tangible evidence. As I've said, the one and only time you've done this is with the Grid video. Aside from that, you're doing more crying about me calling you names than proving any points.
My "crying" is about how you do not know how to debate in a mature and civil manner, especially after a mod made a warning in this very thread. Did you notice that my tune changed directly afterwards as where your attitude got worse?
Scaff think's I am an idiot as well, but he tactfully told me so and perhaps that is something you should learn how to do. However, considering he never told you to chill out with the insults makes me question the choosing of sides. A mod should not choose sides and should be making everyone follow the same rules, not just those of us they disagree with. 💡
And what evidence have you given aside from pointing out Forza's active steering issue? Which was not even part of our conversation. You didn't see me disagree with it either...
I think I gave you credit for posting the Grid videos which I admit had better damage than GT5's. The idea of me outright lying is false and it's something you and quite a few of the Forza supporters in this thread are guilty of.
In addition, to clear up any idea that I was outright lying, what I said about damage models IS mostly true. In the arcade models they're usually prescripted and/or inaccurate. In Motorstorm Pacific Rift and Burnout Paradise you can continue driving. In the Need for Speeds they're both.
So below was not a false statement when I brought up GRID as an example? My video clearly proved otherwise. I was never talking about Motorstorm, burnout, or NFS; but GRID and I made that very clear. Your lack of reading comprehension (failing to read where I mentioned a specific game) and/or poor assumption that I was led to your false statement and/or lie. There is no way around it, that was a false statement in regards to the specific game I mentioned. But, I forgot, only
I should admit my false statements.
IncredibleMind
You're clueless. It's simple... you get into a high speed collision at over 100 MPH and not only is the race likely to END, your car is also likely to shatter into pieces and there's no game on any platform that simulates this accurately. The arcady games may have some dramatic crashes but they're prescripted and guess what? You can still drive.
But for the most part your arguments are otherwise biased or false. If that's what you consider calling you a moron then it's an issue you need to work out with yourself.
Refer back to what I said about Scaff. Your hostility is clearly an issue that needs worked out more than my "idiocracy".
Overall, is seems like your ego needs fed so I'll throw you a bone.
I am a stupid moron and have no right to complain or make IF statements about a product I paid for.
physics or NFS games)
