From IGN, ten reasons to wait for the PS3

[code_kev]

Also, 9GB is a lot NOW, but when developers stop rushing games, and want to start using REAL high def textures, and audio tracks, allong with texture variety, we'll see how "big" it is.

I love how you refer to 9gb as being "big". LOL!.

I'm telling everyone right now, as I 've played a few of them, all of the launch games will be SHORT. I wouldn't put any of them past maybe 10-13 hours fo rthe average play through. Other games will be shorter than that.

Sure they will have replay value via online etc, but as far as actual game content, it's minute. PS3 will be capable of surpassnig that boundry. It's important to realize that it CAN do it, not that it always will. Because Blu-Ray is not the ONLY standard, and we will actually see a lot of games initially come out on DVD rather than blu-ray.

If your trying to say the launch games are short because of the fact they on dvd, then I'm gonna laugh at you. They are short because of TIME RESTRAINTS. Comedy, THE PS3 WILL BE CAPIBLE OF SURPASSING THAT BOUNDRY, my 486 was capible of surpassing that boundry, does that make it better then a 360?

See you get short games, you get long games, no matter what system. If it's an uber long game, stick it on two dvds.

Also, keep in mind that the PS3 will feature a red laser to read DVD's. What speed? More than likely 12x, so the advantage of speeds on 360's DVD drive are out the window.

As long as they load fast, who cares.

But you all have to realize, if you want content, you need space. 9GB is a lot, but if you want quality (as you always bicker about Kev) then you'll need more space. Kev you're not going to see those textures you love oh so much, with a lot of content, on a 9GB disc. If you were to attempt a GT4 sized racer on the 360, I promise you textures would be lower quality than one of the same calibur on PS3.

Oblivion. Lots of content. Great graphics, one PUNY 9gb dvd.

Resident Evil 4, gamecube. Amazing graphics, 1.5 gb disk.

Yes Blue ray is better, but your making it out to be a bigger deal then it is atm. The only difference will probably be that the next Final fantasy on the ps3 will have 40 hours more video then the last game.

 

[tha_con]

code_kev, you're missing poitns and denying facts.

Any game that attempts to immerse you in a real world will fail, beceause it will be extremely repetitive. It will not fit the content necessary.

Games are under 9GB now because of HARDWARE restraints. Textures are dumbed down, and sounds are running at somewhere near 96K sampling rates.

When you toss in full 5.1 audio, high def textures, many different textures for different buildings, grass, cars, people. THen toss in sounds for different cars, different people, different music, random sounds, etc, you use even MORE space.

Point is, 9GB is only a lot by today's hardware standars. Compression technology makes that possible, but it also requires additional development time etc. When restricted to a small amount of space, you have to make room. Why 2 DVD's? It's too much IMO. What about free roam games? When the content get's to be too much, you can't use 2 DVD's.

It's just too far, I bet within 1 year developers will be maxing out their space usage and start having to compress more, etc etc. And that "quality" you love so much, will suffer as a result.

 

[Driftster]

PS3 does have app's, I do not see why people say that it doesn't. It has many games in development, we KNOW 100% that all the important titles are coming (MGS4, Tekken, Warhawk, GTA4). I mean...seriously do you believe that out of the blue these companies will drop their projects that they have already invested in?

Ok
----Dead Or Alive
----Halo
Perfect Dark
TimeShift
Huxley
PGR3

There's your competition

Also, 9GB is a lot NOW, but when developers stop rushing games, and want to start using REAL high def textures, and audio tracks, allong with texture variety, we'll see how "big" it is.

9GB....Hmmm

funny thing is..

This has 6x that space

So no..9gb isn't big..

I'm telling everyone right now, as I 've played a few of them, all of the launch games will be SHORT. I wouldn't put any of them past maybe 10-13 hours fo rthe average play through. Other games will be shorter than that.

10-13 hours of game time isn't short.....Compared to pretty much ANYTHING asside from an RPG, that's more than 2x the length.....

Sure they will have replay value via online etc, but as far as actual game content, it's minute. PS3 will be capable of surpassnig that boundry.

He speaks of it like it's some unicorn of a system....A console of mythical preportions or something...

It's important to realize that it CAN do it, not that it always will. Because Blu-Ray is not the ONLY standard, and we will actually see a lot of games initially come out on DVD rather than blu-ray.

Well judging by sony's history......That spells out problems.

So anyone want to make a bet on which color/type Disk is going to break your console?

Also, keep in mind that the PS3 will feature a red laser to read DVD's. What speed? More than likely 12x, so the advantage of speeds on 360's DVD drive are out the window.

HELL YEAH it can READ it faster.....I can't wait till they have a CD walkmen that reads music faster than older one's..because..that would make me spend 2x the money for something I don't need..

But you all have to realize, if you want content, you need space. 9GB is a lot, but if you want quality (as you always bicker about Kev) then you'll need more space. Kev you're not going to see those textures you love oh so much, with a lot of content, on a 9GB disc. If you were to attempt a GT4 sized racer on the 360, I promise you textures would be lower quality than one of the same calibur on PS3.

Well considering Fear only requires about 5GB and that is extremely high quality..

And doom3 only requires 2.2GB..

I'm fairly sure we'll be fine with our DVD CD's..if not..quess what?
We can have games with 2 disks?!?!?!?
OMG!!! FO-REALZ?!?!?!?
Yeah..it's been done.
GET OUT!!

Any game that attempts to immerse you in a real world will fail, beceause it will be extremely repetitive. It will not fit the content necessary.

yeah, Stupid games like Half Life 2 and Doom 3 And F.E.A.R. and call of Duty did horrible jobs immersing you into the world..Maybe they should make 3D visors for games...So far, the only games i've played that I felt "immersed" in..Was
Steele Battalion ...An X box game...

And Beach head..The Arcade

Games are under 9GB now because of HARDWARE restraints. Textures are dumbed down, and sounds are running at somewhere near 96K sampling rates.

When you toss in full 5.1 audio, high def textures, many different textures for different buildings, grass, cars, people. THen toss in sounds for different cars, different people, different music, random sounds, etc, you use even MORE space.

Like I said...more than one disk..we'll be fine.

You Ps2 fans didn't bich about it when they did it to you..
So don't use it as an excuse this time..

Point is, 9GB is only a lot by today's hardware standars. Compression technology makes that possible, but it also requires additional development time etc. When restricted to a small amount of space, you have to make room. Why 2 DVD's? It's too much IMO. What about free roam games? When the content get's to be too much, you can't use 2 DVD's.

That's why there's a hard Drive...
If it's a free roam game, they utilize the 12GB they have attached to the game..you install some stuff..then pop in the game..there ya go..free roaming

It's just too far, I bet within 1 year developers will be maxing out their space usage and start having to compress more, etc etc. And that "quality" you love so much, will suffer as a result.

yes..And I bet in 365 days i can fly using a pair of 9.00 tennis shoes..

So now in a year we can both be dissapointed for being wrong.

 

[livemusic]

Since we're on the 10 reasons and stuff topic...

23 eerie parallels between Xbox 360 and the Sega Dreamcast.

10 reasons why the Xbox 360 will succeed where the Dreamcast failed.

 

[tha_con]

I don't know what I'm talking about

I completely agreee.

 

[concentric]

i have enjoyed playstation games over any other console's offerings, ever since the old days of the ps1. for this reason alone i will buy a ps3 over the 360. i'm biased, but isn't it all personal preference anyway? which console is 'better' than another is completely objective. i get tired of people trying to convince each other that one thing is superior to another, it's all just marketing bull****. we can make up our own minds.

*rant over*

[edit - just realised i put this in the wrong thread, sorry guys. that'll teach me to read several at once..]

 

[LaBounti]

Wasnt RE4 for GCN on 2 discs? Drifster what you are missing is the fact that developers(Japanese ones at least) want to use 720p video in their games. DOA4 uses 720p video from an interveiw i read. 720p video is going to eat up a lot of space. DOA4 maxes out the dvd.

The head of Team Ninja, Tomonobu Itagaki, has voiced concerns over Microsoft's choice of a standard DVD for its new Xbox 360 consoles. He believes that 9 GB of storage may not be enough for games sporting high-definition video footage

I dont think Square would like making a Final Fantacy game using HD-video and then put the game arcoss 3 double sided dual layer DVD's , well I mean if they want to use MS's "High Def Era" motto.

 

[smellysocks12]

I will wait for all consoles to be out, but most of the reasons mentioned aren't really relevant to me. Some people want the next generation now, once the PS3 comes out they probably sell their 360 or keep it and buy the PS3 and put it next to it.

 

[Electric.......]

I personally wont buy anything from Microsoft anymore.You see, where M comes,there is no progress.If x-box360 kills PS3,then we will see bad days for gaming.Why,you ask?
Beacuse,like I already said,where M comes there is no progress,they start setting their own rules,and we can expect a whole bunch of mediocre games that look great,but have nothing original,that have nothing that will make us like those games,except those narrow minded Fifa(eu)/Madden(us) players,and almost no game that will have anything special.

And then the M will start behaving just like it behaves in the OS market.

I do not support microsoft anymore,I've had an x-box(along with ps2),but I realised that suporting Microsoft is worse than owing to the Mafia(except that Microsoft wont try to kill you),so I am buying the PS3.And the Nintendo revolution,whenever it comes out.

This is just my point of view,if you don't like it,well,imagine I said something that violates the TOS.

 

[code_kev]

I personally wont buy anything from Microsoft anymore.You see, where M comes,there is no progress.If x-box360 kills PS3,then we will see bad days for gaming.Why,you ask?

Your running windows I guess?

Beacuse,like I already said,where M comes there is no progress

Xbox live?
If anything, they have also made using a PC FAR FAR easier, and standardised. Yes it's not perfect, but better then faffing about with linux.

,they start setting their own rules,and we can expect a whole bunch of mediocre games that look great,but have nothing original,that have nothing that will make us like those games,except those narrow minded Fifa(eu)/Madden(us) players,and almost no game that will have anything special.

If anything, Sony kick started the popular games trend with the ps, which led to games like that being made. Also, the fact that MS made the console does not effect the devs. And please, slagging off fans of sports games to seem 1337 is utterly boring, and makes YOU seem narrow minded.

And then the M will start behaving just like it behaves in the OS market.

How so? This doesn't even make sense, it's dull IRC style "I HYTE M$" crap.

I do not support microsoft anymore,I've had an x-box(along with ps2),but I realised that suporting Microsoft is worse than owing to the Mafia(except that Microsoft wont try to kill you),so I am buying the PS3.And the Nintendo revolution,whenever it comes out.

This is just my point of view,if you don't like it,well,imagine I said something that violates the TOS.

Good thing Sony can do no wrong...ahem...spyware on cds.

 

[smellysocks12]

I think it's good M$ entered the console market. We all remember how overpriced SNES and N64 games used to be. They add to competition. Because of Sony breaking Nintendo's monopoly position it almost killed Nintendo, because they didn't adapt to the new standards quickly enough. Sony almost took the monopoly position but Microsoft prevented this. Sony is still leading, but they have to stay sharp to stay ahead of Microsoft now. The same with Nintendo, a company which is more inventive now than ever before.


Microsoft isn't bad for customers / progress, monopoly is.

 

[Driftster]

I like men.

...Wow I can do it too!

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

Mr. Kent, sorry for the misunderstanding. I should have thought carefully of what you meant before posting.

Back on topic!

Now that the Xbox360 is out, we can really get the chance to see and feel how it is. I am not going to get an Xbox360 right now because none of the game really impresses me yet. I will wait until it does get something and will decide again if I want it or not.

 

[General Gravy]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I don't think price may be such a big factor in this console battle from the way everything have been spilled. People who want a PS3 on launch or near launch will be saving up money already since PS3 is said to be expensive. I believe that Sony gave out this warning early enough so people can plan ahead on saving money. (Christmas money from parents, friends, relatives help too)

Online play should be one of PS3's biggest feature to compete with Xbox360 in the online world. Sony may even be able out do them with popular games that attracts the entire world. Games like Tekken, Soul Calibur, Gran Turismo, and Socom are the games I believe that will give Sony billions and billions month after month.

So far, this is how I see this console system war between Xbox360 and PS3 could look like.

Xbox360 = GM = sells in the US and China, but not very good in US (fixed this )
PS3 = Toyota, Nissan, other Japanese manufactors = Sells everwhere

I would like to still have an Xbox360, but I am losing interest in it overtime. I don't see any games that I may be interested in. I will get a PS3 for sure since it got a very strong back up from japanese developers which happens to be the games I play. [/COLOR]

OFF TOPIC

McLaren Angel, you forgot that GM sells in China, and they do OKAY (emphasis on OKAY because the Chinese are taking their market)

END OFF TOPIC

I'm gonna buy a PS3, partially because I'm a PS fanboy, and partially because of Gran Turismo. I was thinking of a Revolution, but I dunno what the specs would be (at least, not now), so I chose the PS3. And I'm probably never going to change being a PS fanboy, because Nintendo and Macrohard haven't impressed me yet.

 

[tha_con]

...Wow I can do it too!

except mine was true

 

[Maven]

It's gonna be about as future proof as the next machine. You shall see. A few years after it's been out, it will start to look sad compared to the pc games of the same time.

Then the XBox isn't even going to last that long. As much as Driftster wants to deny it, 9Gb just isn't going to be enough for most high-definition applications.

 

[code_kev]

Well Oblivion is pretty much gonna prove THAT wrong.

I do however agree, that blu ray is a better format ofc, but to pretend that it's gonna be so bad is a joke.

As I said before, the biggest difference will probably be that the next Final Fantasy as 40 hours of FMV, rather then 5.

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I am very sure that the next Final Fantasy cinamatics will put MGS4's trailer to shame.

 

[Dave A]

Ofcourse a hi-def disk with more storage is going to be better than a hi-def disk with les, so Blue-ray beats DVD hands down, but if an XB360 game is so big it uses up more than whats available on a DVD, they'll just put on two DVD's, pretty simple really unless it's an open ended game, then you'd need to have the hdd and to install the game on that or just swap disk's a bit too often.

And McLaren'sAngel, the next FF will blow pretty much everything away when it comes to in-game cinematics. I've not seen any of it yet but from what Square has done recently with the FFVII intro revamped and so on, you can see that they haven't lost thier touch.

 

[tha_con]

Well Oblivion is pretty much gonna prove THAT wrong.

I do however agree, that blu ray is a better format ofc, but to pretend that it's gonna be so bad is a joke.

As I said before, the biggest difference will probably be that the next Final Fantasy as 40 hours of FMV, rather then 5.

You must not realize how big HD footage is.

1 9GB DVD holds only 2 hours of HD footage plus sound. Add around 4GB of content, and you've gut it down to maybe 1 hour.

Look, we're not goign to argue this since Mod's are so...well we know but still, any way you look at this, from any color of the spectrum, 9GB is not a lot for next generation applications, video or not, just the content alone.

As far as Oblivion "proving that wrong" it's only 16 square miles, which by math, is 4 miles by 4 miles, which is much smaller than many other games currently released (even Dragon Quest on the PS2 is significantly larger than that).

Most of that 16 square miles is also forest. Forest which has many recycled textures. And you want to know something else? Take-Two complained about being limited to using a DVD.

9gb is not a lot. Sing along with me now! lol just teasin mate.

 

[LaBounti]

Morrowind was only 900 some MB. I dont see the point of bringing up Oblivion. Its not going to be 10x bigger. They did use all the free space for spoken dialogue in ES:IV. Oblivion is not a benchmark for disc space. Its one world with many many quests, thats where the depth come.

GTA Liberty City for psp used more disc space than Morrowind for Xbox. 9 will be ok but not for every game.

 

[code_kev]

The point of using Oblvion is to show that large, highly detailed worlds are very possible.

 

[tha_con]

The point of using Oblvion is to show that large, highly detailed worlds are very possible.

16 square miles is not large. It's tiny in comparison to current generation scales.

GTA:SA is easily 3 times as large (that's 144 square miles). I'm just guessing btw, but seriously. 16 square miles? Large? no. If you were to just doulbe that, the game would take up more and more. Can you imagine trying to keep a highly detailed world, with interactivity amongst people, at the same scale as current generation games, without using multiple DVD's? 2? Are you joking? When it comes down to it, developers will get back on track making games to scale like they are now, and will be putting them on THREE or more. And don't give me this HDD crap. Since it's not bundled, developers will more than likely not limit their user base initially, not until the Core package is discontinued as a whole, or is so limited in SKU that they feel it won't matter to sell it on that package or not.

9GB is small, there's no getting around it. This generation, space is the key. How can you claim your system (by your I mean MS) is the component of the "HD Era" yet you have significantly less space to even INCLUDE any HD content? What a joke.

 

[VIPFREAK]

This seems like a good reason to wait.

 

[LaBounti]

I read there will be a collectors edition that will require a HDD. hmm sounds like a $70 game to me. But it should be well worth it if you have a crap pc vid card.

 

[code_kev]

This seems like a good reason to wait.

So the reason to wait is because PGR3 looks about 8 times better then GT4? I fail to understand.

 

[crimson_menace]

Lo!

I think the price for the PS3 is gonna be similiar to the 360. I also think the PS3 is gonna be a far superior system to the 360 with more entertaining titles. I don't think, however, I will ever waste my valuable dough on microsoft crap.

Sides, the PS3's got GT5. Xbox ain't got s**t on that.

 

[code_kev]

When did people stop actually start judging systems and future games not even made before actually playing the system and games?

Ok my turn! I think the ps4 is gonna suck compared to the Xbox 3 lolz! Halo 7 will pwn killzone 9 (uber edition).

 

[LaBounti]

They have Forza2 but dont count on it having 700 cars. They just wouldnt fit unless they cut 60% of the car sounds. I think GT5 will get the GT3 treatmeant if it comes out before 2008 like i predict.

And lets let the ps2 fanboys be fan boys, its a GT based forum .

 

[iceburns288]

Um, BTW, if 9GB isn't enough, what size disc was GT4 running on? I actually don't know, but I do know it had 700 cars and it wasn't on a 60GB disc. Wasn't it on like a 4GB disc or something?

Remember the PS2 vs Xbox. There's literally no way to deny the fact the Xbox was FAR technically superior to the PS2. However, when the Xbox came out the PS2 had already come out and it had such a large user base and a big games library so everyone went with a PS2 instead. That will happen with the Xbox 360. The PS3 will be technically superior to the X360, but there will be so many more games for the Xbox 360 than the PS3 when it finally comes out.

It's really impossible to say the PS3 has more killer apps, BECAUSE IT HAS NO GAMES OUT. Therefore, no good games. They don't exist.