From IGN, ten reasons to wait for the PS3

[code_kev]

Multimedia hub is a VERY VERY broad term. Hell, you could call the mega cd "multimedia".

 

[iceburns288]

Then they start talking about PS3 yada yada yada "bash bash bash"...funny that in the top 10 reasons to buy a PS3 there wasn't any bashing of the 360 going on, just reasons why the PS3 is good, yet these guy's are bashing away, saying "PS3 will be expensive, won't be out till november, Sony will copy all of Microsofts "innovations" blah blah blah".

You're right, there's no mention of the X360 anywhere.

Reason #10: Xbox 360 Doesn't Have a Killer App

They knock PS3 for what will "eventually" come out, etc etc, then all they do in the end is talk about what will "eventaully" come out on the 360? Please.

No matter what, whatever new games come out for the Xbox 360 they'll be out before the PS3. Like GTA4, Saint's Row, Gears of War, etc...

Again, solid proof that fanboy's will be fanboy's and feel the need to "defend" their system because of "fear" etc etc. IGN wants to sell everyone on the 360 because if they don't, the console dies, it's already getting a lot of negative hype, and the news isn't helping. I was watcing Good Morning America and THEY were talking about the 360 crashing etc etc...come on now. If that's not bad media, I dunno what is. We'll see how this pans out.

You're doing an awfully defensive posting job there, mateyboy! I just hope you're not blind enough to see it.
You did miss the fact that three of the reasons are actually the SAME THING. 10,3, and 2. 10 is that the 360 doesn't have a killer app while the PS3 will, 3 is that the PS3 will have killer apps developed for it, and 2 is one of the killer apps. That's pretty stupid, if you ask me.

Number 1 is also citing support for an untested media which no one knows if it will be successful or not.

 

[GTguy40990]

Number 1 is also citing support for an untested media which no one knows if it will be successful or not.[/QUOTE]

I've been paying a lot of attention to the next generation disc formats. Blu-ray V. HDDVD, basically. The superior format seems to be evident. Blu-ray disc has roughly 40% more storage than HDDVD. It also has a higher bandwidth. As far as I've seen, HDDVD has no advantage to BD, whatsoever.

Blu-ray also has wide spread support from Hollywood companies and makers of current DVD players. HDDVD has support from only: Toshiba and Microsoft, who helped to create the format.

I believe Blu-ray will be the superior format, and not HDDVD.

 

[Dave A]

Remember Betamax, better than VHS but it failed. Blue-Ray is more promising than DVD but the fact that it's a better format does not mean it will be the one that wins the media war. The bottom line is it's too soon to say, I'd put my money on it winning but at the end of the day I don't really know if it will win or not, theres a chance HDDVD will.

 

[Pebb]

You can buy a good HD TV with 12 MS and HDMI for about £800 now. Which also supports 1080I and 800:00.

 

[niky]

Betamax vs. VHS is just an illustration of industry support vs. technical superiority. VHS may have dominated the US market, but Japan used Betamax.

But with a multi-media giant like Sony supporting the format, I bet it's got a better chance. 👍

But then again, Sony gave us the "Memory Stick", and it's still only Sony that's using it... whoops!

 

[Solid Lifters]

Betamax vs. VHS is just an illustration of industry support vs. technical superiority. VHS may have dominated the US market, but Japan used Betamax.

But with a multi-media giant like Sony supporting the format, I bet it's got a better chance. 👍

But then again, Sony gave us the "Memory Stick", and it's still only Sony that's using it... whoops!

Sony made Betamax. They were beat by Thompson (RCA), a much smaller company, who made the cheaper VHS format. So, it ain't about the size of the company. But, who makes the cheaper media player.

 

[Dave A]

Like I said, fromthe current position it's obvious that Blue-Ray is the better format, but which format will win isn't so clear.

 

[iceburns288]

I think the downfall of the Blu-Ray disc may come from Sony's recent media greed. It seems they think that every product they sell must only use their media... I mean, look at the PSP. Sony is being so overprotective about the copyrights and anti-piracy details on their other formats too (DTM or whatever they called that spyware stuff) it's creating a huge problem. I just think the way that Sony handled the Media Stick and UMD will apply to the Blu-Ray, and it won't succeed like it should.

 

[LaBounti]

Betamax was not the standard for a console thats going to sell tens of millions in one year. With that, DVD wasnt as widespread until PS2 came out. Blu-ray wont be wide spread until PS3 comes. Even if it releases with a sub par payer it will still play and cost half as much as a stand alone. The movie player is a bonus.

 

[Raghavan]

I'd wait for the PS3 because of GT5.
That is all.

 

[LaBounti]

I just think the way that Sony handled the Media Stick and UMD will apply to the Blu-Ray, and it won't succeed like it should.

You think that becasue you seem to have little faith in sony. UMD's are not rewriteble so there is no need to have multiple codecs . It uses mpeg4. As for memory stick video Sony has software that converts most media to acc/ mp4. MP4(h.264) Is far superior to pretty much every other format and it use smaller files sizes. So Sony is doing everyone a favor giving better qualty and less space. Thats not overprotective.

But homebrew apps can already play pretty much all formats.

 

[Pebb]

I think the downfall of the Blu-Ray disc may come from Sony's recent media greed. It seems they think that every product they sell must only use their media... I mean, look at the PSP. Sony is being so overprotective about the copyrights and anti-piracy details on their other formats too (DTM or whatever they called that spyware stuff) it's creating a huge problem. I just think the way that Sony handled the Media Stick and UMD will apply to the Blu-Ray, and it won't succeed like it should.

I reckon Blu-Ray will become the maket leader, and HD DVD will die after 2 years thats what i think folks.

 

[Drillah]

So let me get this right...
Blue-ray and it's large capacity and fast speed is due to the player, the disc or both?

This is interesting...
Maxell

Maxell

 

[Solid Lifters]

So let me get this right...
Blue-ray and it's large capacity and fast speed is due to the player, the disc or both?

This is interesting...
Maxell

Maxell

This device is not for consumers. It's more for colleges, libraries, business, etc.

It's not rewriteable. It's also expensive as hell. No way any consumer is going to afford that. Plus, one big draw for HDDVD and BD is joint player compatibility from PC to BD player device, much like current DVDRW PCs and DVD players.

There are two other HD player devices being made along with all these drivers. The Koreans have something coming out, and so do the Chinese/Taiwanese.

 

[iceburns288]

You think that becasue you seem to have little faith in sony.

Uhh I have a $3k Sony video camera, two Sony digicams, a Sony DVD player, and of course a PS2... all except the PS2 use Memory Sticks, of which I have 3 or 4. And no, I have no faith in this memory format, to be honest, because it ONLY works on these Sony products, which is a shame.

 

[tha_con]

Uhh I have a $3k Sony video camera, two Sony digicams, a Sony DVD player, and of course a PS2... all except the PS2 use Memory Sticks, of which I have 3 or 4. And no, I have no faith in this memory format, to be honest, because it ONLY works on these Sony products, which is a shame.

Yet as far as quality it far surpasses the SD Cards and Compact flash in both durability and data loss prevention.

 

[tha_con]

Everyone talking about Betamax...stop, because you're too young, or haven't done your research enough to know what you're talking about.

It was a completely different time. The main reason VHS has success is because it was american (marketed through RCA, which at the time, was "american" as was "Panasonic" which was the american branch of Matsu****a), it was cheaper, and had support of many more rental companies. Debate ended.

Blu-Rah v HD-DVD is an EXTEREMELY different thing. All aspects of it are different, aside from the fact that there are two formats working against eachother, that is the ONLY common factor between Betamax war and Blu-Ray.

 

[Dave A]

The bottom line is though, you don't know what the outcome will be, if BD-ROM ends up being dominantly Sony machines only I don't see more housholds owning Blue-Ray players than HD-DVD players tbh. The chances are that the Blue-Ray will win, but we don't know that it will, it might not be as one sided as many people in this thread think.

 

[iceburns288]

Yet as far as quality it far surpasses the SD Cards and Compact flash in both durability and data loss prevention.

Well then it's another case of ANOTHER superior Sony format going to waste because Sony is extremely protective and greedy when it comes to them. Sad.

 

[tha_con]

The bottom line is though, you don't know what the outcome will be, if BD-ROM ends up being dominantly Sony machines only I don't see more housholds owning Blue-Ray players than HD-DVD players tbh. The chances are that the Blue-Ray will win, but we don't know that it will, it might not be as one sided as many people in this thread think.

Let's just take a quick look at this:

o HP will include BD-ROM's in PC's in the future.
o PS3 will include BD-ROM player
o Samsung, Sony, TDK, Sharp, LG, and Pioneer are all scheduled to release Blu-Ray players in 2006.
o Apple, Dell, HP, and Sony are among the PC supporters
o Disney, MGM, Sony Pictures, Warner Brothers, Paramount, and 20th Cent. Fox are among the Movie Industry Supporters

Blu-Ray includes every feature, or something similar, to HD-DVD, while offering more space.

Blu-Ray is assured better penetration through PS3 than the HD-DVD is through standard promotion.

DVD was a success because of the PS2 for the most part. It introduced DVD into households, and while it wasn't the sole factor, is was a VERY strong one.

Sony has more power to push a Blu-Ray campaign than Toshiba does with HD-DVD.

Only ONE Movie Studio is still holding out with Sole Support for HD-DVD. The others will go both ways, this means none of them will publish commercials that heavily promote one or the other. Sony Pictures, however, has the ability to force it down consumers throats, as they do with the UMD on all of their Movie releases, "Also Available for UMD on the PSP". Now let's fast forward one year. "Also available on Blu-Ray for the PS3".

So, while I won't say it's "promised" that Blu-Ray will succeed, it's failure is something harder to imagine than it's success.

 

[tha_con]

Well then it's another case of ANOTHER superior Sony format going to waste because Sony is extremely protective and greedy when it comes to them. Sad.

You are wrong. If Sony were to license out the technology present with SD etc, they would lose money to use those cards, so they created the memory stick, technology that can be used among all of their devices, and costs them no money to produce as far as a license cost. This is the same reason other companies don't jump to use the Memory Stick technology, because they have to pay sony. SHOCKER. Business is like that

Also, I cannot COUNT the printers, TV's, PC's, and other multi-media devices that all support Memory Stick reading. Even Keyboards and Mice from other companies do this. So again, theory is out of the window.

I would go as far to say that the memory stick actually is closer to having the best market penetration than other formats. And PS3 + PSP will make that even more evident. The Memory Stick is a GREAT technology, and it's very secure. I've dropped sticks in WATER, and the data has been fine.

I've ruined multiple SD cards just from removing them from the camera too often.

So you tell me, would you rather have an amazing format, and complain because you *think* it has something to do with whatever, or a sub par format that is cheaply made and runs out to every nook and cranny device? I knwo what I would pick.

 

[LaBounti]

I dont see the comparisons between a un-rewritable disc and a memory stick. Theres nothing wrong with having something that only works on their own devices. Its not sony who askes people to use there stuff. its a choice. Memory Stick Pro duos are fine and dandy for PSP and PS3. It eliminates memory cards which is a good thing.

 

[niky]

Sony made Betamax. They were beat by Thompson (RCA), a much smaller company, who made the cheaper VHS format. So, it ain't about the size of the company. But, who makes the cheaper media player.

To which I would have answered:

Everyone talking about Betamax...stop, because you're too young, or haven't done your research enough to know what you're talking about.

It was a completely different time. The main reason VHS has success is because it was american (marketed through RCA, which at the time, was "american" as was "Panasonic" which was the american branch of Matsu****a), it was cheaper, and had support of many more rental companies. Debate ended.

Being American, the rest of you guys wouldn't know this, but Betamax did not die unsupported. I have a zillion Betamax tapes squirreled away in an upstairs cabinet. We DO have a VHS player because whenever relatives from the US send a tape over, we had nothing to play it on. We only switched to VHS format because of the sheer number of English titles available, but that was late in the game, when VCDs were starting to take over anyway.

Betamax was hugely successful... but NOT in America.



I wouldn't know about Sony's Memory Stick being better, but I've got to admit, I've burned a lot of Fash Cards. Sony's Memory Stick may cost more and have less capacity than Flash, but high capacity isn't always better. Just ask my half-dozen or so burned out Flash Cards, or my brother's burned Archos media storage device.

I think Blu-Ray is it. Sony's got the Microsoft-like power to shove their formats down everyone's throats.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I know Betamax was a huge success for Sony. It was the standard, until just a few years ago, for professional use.

I was talking about what happened to Betamax in the US consumer market only. Sony was huge comanay and charged too much for Betamax machines. So, then came RCA with a cheaper format and kicked Sony's ass.

It's a mistake they wont likely make again. Instead, they're making new mistakes now, like making BD equal to HDDVD which reduces the draw for the use of BD in the first place.

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I am so lost.

 

[Driftster]

Well in the event that I get bored with games only being 9gb in size....
I'll remember that, i'll have a Ps3 sitting next to my 360 ready to play my. 5000000 square mile Final Fantasy thirty seven..-.-;;

 

[tha_con]

Well in the event that I get bored with games only being 9gb in size....
I'll remember that, i'll have a Ps3 sitting next to my 360 ready to play my. 5000000 square mile Final Fantasy thirty seven..-.-;;

why even post your opinion if it doesn't matter to anyone?

I'm sorry, but you, to me, are just trolling around these forums in efforts to start arguements.

You don't like Gran Turismo. You don't like Playstation 2. You only talk about your enjoyment of lame First Person Shoters on the Xbox...why do you even POST in these sections if your opinion is biased? It's rediculous.

 

[code_kev]

I'm sorry, but you, to me, are just trolling around these forums in efforts to start arguements.

You only talk about your enjoyment of lame First Person Shoters on the Xbox

Troll?

I happen to like Lame FPS games like Farcry Instincts, Halo 1 and 2, and the Chronicles of Riddick. I guess I'm just lame.

 

[Driftster]

why even post your opinion if it doesn't matter to anyone?

I'm sorry, but you, to me, are just trolling around these forums in efforts to start arguements.

and you hate poor people....your point is?

You don't like Gran Turismo.

I love Gran Turismo 1 2 and 3. GT3 is the only Ps2 game I have yet to trade in, if you didn't know I used to be an avid enthusiast in the GT3 part of this board, but then..alas..My Ps2(Both #1 and #2) Crapped out...GT4..I don't like, because I spent alot of $$$ on GT3 1/2 after X# of years in anticipation about the game...
and yes, I traded in my GT4 but kept GT3

You don't like Playstation 2.

I used to love it..I used to hate the Xbox, blindly I used to think it was an ugly green POS system. Then I played Halo, and started to like the system...Then My Ps2's Crapped out on my...And the Halo edition X box (Clean green instead of the ugly black box) hit the shelves..and I was happy..It wasn't as ugly as the big black chunk of plastic...Still not as sleek as a Ps2..but It hasn't scratched a disk, never not worked, never not read a disk, never had a problem at all. But sure..yeah..I'm trolling..

You only talk about your enjoyment of lame First Person Shoters on the Xbox...why do you even POST in these sections if your opinion is biased? It's rediculous.

Because 90% of the posts here are opinion based, now FPS's are lame? Well that explains alot, you're more of the type of person who enjoys saving the cat people from the evil dragon gyudemach with your level 37 dungeon swordsman.....right?