Gene Haas' new American F1 team

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Haas F1 Team sounds fine to me sense all the other teams are Williams F1 team Sauber F1 team and so on,...
 
How about "North American Racing Team Haas" (although "NART Haas" does sound horrible), given the connection to Ferrari?
 
So, Will Buxton was discussing some things about Haas F1 during FP2 on NBCSN. He said it's quite possible that Haas could end up being a Ferrari Jr team and could potentially show up to the grid with a driver lineup consisting of Bianchi and Rossi.

Of course, it's rumor and speculation so it should be taken lightly.

Edit: The driver lineup is rumor, but it looks like the rest of it might be plausible.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/05/haas-f1-ferrari-engine-supply-technical-collaboration-official/
 
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prisonermonkeys
How about "North American Racing Team Haas" (although "NART Haas" does sound horrible), given the connection to Ferrari?
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To be honest, I wish HAAS Racing would of picked up a Mercedes PowerPoint contract instead of Ferrari. But I am optimistic so let's see what happens?,.
 
joetruckv8
To be honest, I wish HAAS Racing would of picked up a Mercedes PowerPoint contract instead of Ferrari. But I am optimistic so let's see what happens?,.
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There's a limit on how many teams a constructor can supply. Mercedes already have themselves, Force India and Lotus, so they would need a dispensation to supply a fourth team.
 
GTPorsche
Why is it 5?

McLaren switching to Honda means Mercedes would be supplying 3 teams with power units starting next season.
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Mercedes would be producing engines for 4 teams next year;

Mercedes
Lotus
Williams
Force India

PM was stating that they already have 4 teams including themselves to supply so Haas would be a 5th team if they picked up a Mercedes contract.
 
Exactly. The team that they own is considered as a team that they supply. The rule is in place to stop one supplier from amassing too much power in deciding the technical regulations. It's probably less of a problem given the major overhaul of the engine regulations and the division of power with the creation of the Strategy Working Group, but it's nevertheless a scenario that the FIA would be very keen to avoid.
 
prisonermonkeys
I can't believe that people still seem to think that that is a possibility, given that the Haas and USF1 projects are worlds apart.
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I still have faith. It was weird though to see Peter Windsor leave his anchor position for USF1 @ Speed-Channel, but at least I found him on the YouTube with his P1 subscription. Not bad!
 
prisonermonkeys
I can't believe that people still seem to think that that is a possibility, given that the Haas and USF1 projects are worlds apart.
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Not necessarily because of any false correlation with USF1, more because starting a team up has been visibly painful/difficult/impossible for several recent attempts.

I hope they do it, America's auto engineering is legendary and I'd like to see them represented more in F1 as a world sport.
 
RACECAR
Not sure if this was already posted but saw it in that article you just posted:

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That already looks better than USF1. I highly doubt with hurricane Sandy destroying so much of New Jersey that they will be able to pull off a F1 Street race, but I hope this Las Vegas St. circuit comes to life because Vegas is only 300 miles from my home address in Los Angeles California... :bowdown: F1
 
GTPorsche
The area of New Jersey they proposed the race at wasn't that damaged by Hurricane Sandy.
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Yeah but the financial toll it took on New Jersey doesn't leave them (New Jersey) with enough money to take care of Jersey's damages and/plus pay Bernie Ecc anywhere from $20-$50 million for F1 to race there. And that is not including The millions of dollars they would of had to pay resurfacing the streets to F1 standards...

For the guys who are not Americans and may not know gov. Chris Christie was going to run for the American president Rep nominates but he got caught up in a scandal with something to do with the bridge being shut down so that also is on his plate; The governor of New Jersey that is.
 
In other words **** hit the fan, and trying to get a "New York" Grand Prix is near impossible at the moment. Oh well...maybe in the future.
 
Hm, only now have I found out that Gene Haas served gaol time in 2008-09 for tax evasion. Are there no rules disqualifying convicted felons from running such businesses?

Not that I'm trying to push anything, just curious what the rules are in this particular case.

And I know we have the Lotus thing but are there also no rules on different entities having the same name or similar? We have already had Haas Lola, but that was the unrelated Carl Haas and not Gene Haas.
 
Liquid
Hm, only now have I found out that Gene Haas served gaol time in 2008-09 for tax evasion. Are there no rules disqualifying convicted felons from running such businesses?

Not that I'm trying to push anything, just curious what the rules are in this particular case.

And I know we have the Lotus thing but are there also no rules on different entities having the same name or similar? We have already had Haas Lola, but that was the unrelated Carl Haas and not Gene Haas.
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Given the rumours about Bernie's involvement with the GTR (one of the getaway drivers eventually made one of the F1 trophies, iirc) I'd be surprised if there were any barrier to a criminal record in F1. The truth will be that if one is allowed to operate a company in one's local jurisdiction then one is suitable for F1, I guess. By that point one would be so rich that international travel barriers would cease to exist in any case.

Names... the only time I think there'd be an intervention is in the case of a name strongly implying a connection or in the case of a "clone" livery.

How many people are going to be too confused about connections between Haas and Haas-Lola? I barely remember Haas-Lola except that the Lola was a bit of a fraud (they never built the car, I think) and that Alan Jones was coaxed from retirement to "enjoy" the fruits of their labours. He got a few decent finishes, but they were the only finishes.

Didn't Bernie eventually liquidise the team himself?
 
I know Haas-Lola wasn't a major success* but still, we've had one team called Haas and now another one. Mercedes get away with it because, despite being two completely different teams, it is still Daimler AG behind it. We've had the Team Lotus farce, and no matter what they try to tell me, this current 'Lotus' is Enstone to me. It just is. Sounds better anyway. David Brabham is trying to relaunch Brabham, fair enough. But what if someone called Fred Williams wants to launch Fred Williams Racing Cars?

Maybe I'm thinking too much like Equity and the one Steve rule. I'm a stickler for continuity. Just wondering what the situation or precedent is on things like this.


*Despite their short time, I think they're a bit underrated. A 4th place, a 5th place and a 6th place should be enough to avoid F1 rejects. Not bad for a mid 80s team.
 
I think their good finishes were an illustration of Jones/Tambay's talents in car that could finish a race. It's just that there were a lot fewer of those days than of the other sort.

I think Fred Williams Racing would be heavily dissuaded from entering under that name. It's also self-solving in some cases, a team who deliberately tried to "alias" from somebody else aren't going to get the goodwill to reach F1, any sensible team is going to be looking for their own identity and therefore try to distance themselves from any existing/known image.

Fred Williams may have known during his whole life that he can never run his F1 team eponymously :)
 
Liquid
Hm, only now have I found out that Gene Haas served gaol time in 2008-09 for tax evasion. Are there no rules disqualifying convicted felons from running such businesses?

Not that I'm trying to push anything, just curious what the rules are in this particular case.

And I know we have the Lotus thing but are there also no rules on different entities having the same name or similar? We have already had Haas Lola, but that was the unrelated Carl Haas and not Gene Haas.
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I don't think Gene Haas has much to worry about when it comes to his felonies, if Bernie Ecc could pay a minuscule 100 million dollars by Bernie standards to buy his freedom, lol. Which I'm glad personally he was able to do so. I know that's a controversial topic Bernie's case and all, But I like F1 how it is now and that's under Bernie's control so I will say personally that I'm afraid what would happen to F1 if Bernie Ecc was to leave or die. It could be a better F1 without him or it could be a worse F1 without him. I don't know which one it would be, but I like F1 the way it is now so I'll take Bernie Ecc in the mix. I don't want to get my comment misconstrued with the fact that someone else is capable of doing a better job then Bernie, just I'm not sure the next guy would be the right guy as much as he could be the right guy...
 
Liquid
I know Haas-Lola wasn't a major success* but still, we've had one team called Haas and now another one.
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It all comes down to the constructor name - the name the FIA credits results to. Like I said, one team is "Haas Lola" and the other is "Haas", which is apparently different enough for the FIA.
 

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