Gene Haas' new American F1 team

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If Raikkonen isn't motivated in the Ferrari, he's not going to be motivated, or even tolerate racing for a lower, upstart team.
 
Kimi has stated recently that it is Ferrari or nothing for him in F1 and that he has no desire to race in Formula E. Should he leave I can see him go back to rally. The danger of WRC suits Kimi perfectly.
 
If he wants an American, why not Newgarden?
Because IndyCar drivers have a documented history of struggling to make the transition to Formula 1. Jacques Villeneuve and Juan Pablo Montoya are the only two who really managed it without a problem. Newgarden might be quick in IndyCar, but he's been in the series for too long. That's why I suggested Karam - he's quick, but hasn't had time to settle into IndyCar just yet.
 
Because IndyCar drivers have a documented history of struggling to make the transition to Formula 1. Jacques Villeneuve and Juan Pablo Montoya are the only two who really managed it without a problem. Newgarden might be quick in IndyCar, but he's been in the series for too long. That's why I suggested Karam - he's quick, but hasn't had time to settle into IndyCar just yet.
I don't get the "been in the series too long" argument. Newgarden has improved as a driver massively since joining the series. I don't see the point of taking Karam until he has more experience, he may have a higher ceiling but right now Newgarden is a better choice.

Edit: I'd take either over Alex Rossi though
 
I don't get the "been in the series too long" argument. Newgarden has improved as a driver massively since joining the series. I don't see the point of taking Karam until he has more experience, he may have a higher ceiling but right now Newgarden is a better choice.

Edit: I'd take either over Alex Rossi though

F1 is far more complex than Indy... and in my opinion more demanding. That's most likely why Haas is looking to take experienced F1 drivers with young Americans as a later plan.
 
F1 is far more complex than Indy... and in my opinion more demanding. That's most likely why Haas is looking to take experienced F1 drivers with young Americans as a later plan.
Oh I get that, I just was confused as to why PM would therefore suggest taking the less experienced Karam. Personally I expect a Gutierrez/Marciello lineup.
 
Oh I get that, I just was confused as to why PM would therefore suggest taking the less experienced Karam. Personally I expect a Gutierrez/Marciello lineup.
Karam is younger, so there's still some potential for him to adapt, but he's been awful in Indycar so I wouldn't hold my breath on him being anything special in GP3/2/F1...
 
Karam is quick, but inconsistent. And it's easier to make a quick driver consistent than it is to make a consistent driver quick.

Ferrari seem to be losing patience with Marciello. He wasn't performing at Racing Engineering, so they sent him to Trident because Trident really honed Johnny Cecotto Jr. into a quick and capable driver last year. So far, he hasn't shown anything new - Stoffel Vandoorne is running away with the title, and Sergey Sirotkin is emerging as his biggest threat. It's looking like Sauber made a mistake in letting him go, so I wouldn't be surprised if Haas is looking at him, too.

Back to Marciello, Ferrari overlooked him for the Spielberg test, putting Antonio Fuoco (or, as he is otherwise known, "Tony Fire") in the car. And while he crashed early on, the message seems clear - Marciello needs to lift his game, and soon. Conversely, Ferrari are in a nasty predicament where none of their young drivers inspire earth-shattering confidence. Marciello is under-performimg, Fuoco needs more time, and Lance Stoll has the unenviable record of having been banned from European Formula 3 races.
 
And fully deserved. The kid is a friggin' moron.
So I've heard. He was quick in Formula 4 - quick enough to turn heads - but has no racecraft in Formula 3, which is odd.

I did hear a rumour that he was being lined up to replace Massa at Williams from 2017, which was totally bizarre.
 
Somebody shunted me for bring up Rossi as potential for 1 of Haas F1 seats, I would state Rossi once again got on the podium again (2nd place), and is continuing his good form, eventho his 4th place finish in the less important Sprint race may come with a penalty...

Go Rossi, and Go Jann in GP3!
 
Rossi once again got on the podium again (2nd place), and is continuing his good form
On a weekend when ART Grand Prix was hamstrung by engine problems.

A handful of good results in GP2 doesn't make him a sure thing for a Formula 1 seat. He's been around for years, and drivers who take that long to graduate generally don't come good. At this point, Sergey Sirotkin is emerging as the driver most likely to challenge Vandoorne.
 
On a weekend when ART Grand Prix was hamstrung by engine problems.

A handful of good results in GP2 doesn't make him a sure thing for a Formula 1 seat. He's been around for years, and drivers who take that long to graduate generally don't come good. At this point, Sergey Sirotkin is emerging as the driver most likely to Vandoorne.
With all due respect I never said he was a "sure thing", but I do agree with all the rest of your logic, I've seen that happen enough times already. Biggest waste of talent was Kenan Sofuoglu from Wsbk whom went to MotoGp back to Wsbk winning championships left & right, and he seems like he will never get a ride on the 1000's. Same thing happen with Josh Hayes, I knew that guy had talent 10 years ago, and now he's too old to do anything, but re write the Mat Maladin AMA record books. All I'm saying is when it comes to Rossi, I'm still rooting for him because simply I'm an American. I will be rooting for Haas F1 no matter who the drivers end up being, but my boy is always going to be Hamilton too, and hopefully Jann also for the sake of Gran Turismo and Kaz being around the F1 circus, and hopefully getting a seat down with Bernie @ the track about these track licenses, wishful thinking; I know.
 
Haas discusses the nature of being a constructor and how the structure of his team might help shape the future of the sport for smaller teams:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/...-muddle-as-to-what-being-a-constructor-means/
Read^, I'm sure the #'s their getting of the Ferrari Haas chassis in the wind tunnel, their using to their advantage for Ferrari's Scuderia Team, but any team will use whatever loopholes they can come up on. That's everyday F1 Team business as usual,...
 
All Bulls#!t aside, if I was Gene Haas, I would be going for Ocon 1st, Vandoorne 2nd (2nd over Ocon only because I don't know how his McLaren contract is setup atm?, or he would be my 1st pick), and my 3rd pick would be Kimi if he looses his seat at Ferrari, Button if he loses his seat at McLaren, or Hulkenberg so this way I have the fastest GP2 driver, or the fastest GP3 driver, and 1 driver from the current Formula 1 grid to help explain/understand these current F1 chassis. Kimi would be my 1st pick of the F1 drivers since Ferrari found pace, and his attitude seems to me that he might air out some of their secerts as well as other teams since he has raced for atleast 3 different teams, and Hulkenberg 2nd, then finally Button/Magnussen as my 3rd pick...
 
If he wants an American, why not Newgarden?
Because he is soo far from Super License Eligibility it's not funny.

As of right now he has 1 real choice with 1 other far better choice if things work out.

Rossi will likely get in the top 3 this year in GP2 which will give him the Eligibility but it's taken him far to long to get to this stage in GP2 it's worth little as an acheivement with the Experince and familiarity advantage he has on most of the field.

RHR has the points but he is too old and will never be considered, plus he is having a terrible year.

The Best choice if he wins the Indy Title which will give him the points is Graham Rahal, currently 3rd in points and a Driver who has shown Elite speed on Road courses, he would likely be leading the championship now if not for having a Honda engine, he has had some rough years in the past but most of it was with Poor Cars, this is the same driver that got 5th in his Rookie year in Champcar as an 18 year old.

He is 26 which a bit on the Older side for a rookie is still a good enough age to build a career from.


F1 is far more complex than Indy... and in my opinion more demanding. That's most likely why Haas is looking to take experienced F1 drivers with young Americans as a later plan.

Indycar is far more demanding from a Track perspective and the car is much more physical.


No Power Steering makes it hard for other open wheel drivers to just jump in the series and do well(See Barrichello).


I know Bourdais/Andretti is used as the main reason for why people think indy drivers are not suited for F1 but there are some reasons why I can say otherwise.


1. Bourdais won his titles in a car that was by far and large the best in the feild against a grid that had been depleted of Talent(a driver like Power driving Aussie Vineyards rubbish and still able to fight for Pole consistantly)from IRL taking the biggest two teams (Penske and Ganassi).


2. It requires a driver good at both Oval and road course to be in title contention and this can muddy up the standings on who would be more suited to F1 which is Road course only.


Bourdais while dominating was never in the same league as a driver like Power when it came to outright speed on Roadcourses if given equal equipment, I have no doubt if you had put him in F1 in his 20s he would of performed like Montoya.


Indycar is a much different Field of comparison compared to GP2 and the like, in thise feeder series most of the Talent is Raw but there tends to be much more drivers with Substantial talent compared to Indycar, however Indycar drivers are significantly more refined as the drivers have made Careers out of that series unlike F1 Feeders so overall the drivers are at a Higher standard as they are at their peak performance or close to it, but not the best standard for F1 who are willing to work with the unrefined to find the Elite.

Allthough like the case with Drivers such as Power, Dixon etc some of these Elite talents never got the chance to show themselves in F1 so they went to Indy.
 
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Haas are already in Barcelona and setting up for the first pre-season test:



It looks like they might be going for a black/red/white livery instead of the yellow Haas mentioned a few months ago.

Keen-eyed observers will note what appears to be a second-hand Ferrari motorhome:

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They have also fired up the car for the first time, but unlike the other teams, they haven't posted the audio (which seems to have replaced the old elaborate launches).
 
Haas are already in Barcelona and setting up for the first pre-season test:



It looks like they might be going for a black/red/white livery instead of the yellow Haas mentioned a few months ago.

Keen-eyed observers will note what appears to be a second-hand Ferrari motorhome:

CbSRbKxXEAAX9tV.jpg


They have also fired up the car for the first time, but unlike the other teams, they haven't posted the audio (which seems to have replaced the old elaborate launches).

Ah the perks of being "friends" with the Scuderia. :P Hopefully the car's yellow though. :(
 
Haas are already in Barcelona and setting up for the first pre-season test:



It looks like they might be going for a black/red/white livery instead of the yellow Haas mentioned a few months ago.

Keen-eyed observers will note what appears to be a second-hand Ferrari motorhome:

CbSRbKxXEAAX9tV.jpg


They have also fired up the car for the first time, but unlike the other teams, they haven't posted the audio (which seems to have replaced the old elaborate launches).

Non-US semi trucks, pft. This team ain't American.
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