Gene Haas' new American F1 team

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Roo, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. prisonermonkeys

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    Then you are over-reacting. For one, USF1 was a vanity project. Windsor and Anderson wanted into the sport, and positioned themselves as an American brand to try and bolster their chances. The team did not collapse because it was American.

    Secondly, there is no evidence to suggest that anyone who worked for USF1 will be working for Haas should he get in. Even then, USF1's failure came about because of the incompetence of a select few in management, so even if Haas recruits a few mechanics or engineers associated with the project, that does not guarantee that they are doomed.

    Finally, Haas plans to outsource the design if his chassis to an experienced design studio, rather than try to build it in-house in the space of six months. The FIA is announcing which candidate (if any) has been successful on 27 February, which gives said candidate a year to get ready.
     
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    Where exactly did I say any of that? I'm simply questioning this because its someone else I'm not quite sure about trying to do it, only this time its a NASCAR team owner and I'm unsure if this is serious or if its Gene Haas getting abit too big for his britches (After all, this guy hired Kurt Busch without any input from Stewart).
     
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    Well, you didn't exactly make a case for anyone to be concerned about Haas' bid, except to call back to a team that folded four years ago, operated by different people with a different approach to getting on the grid. So what cause for concern is there?
     
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    All I said was I was unsure about whether I think it will or will not succeed. I bought up USF1 because like at that time (before I made the mistake of actually believing it was going to happen), I was unsure about the people wanting to run that team. I just don't want to get my hopes up again for something that ends up not happening. I'm not trying to make any case for people to be concerned, just sharing my feelings about this as I'm on the fence about it.
     
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  5. LMSCorvetteGT2

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    Yeah I've worked with them for my machining and fabrication stuff...what do you wanna build, Mr. CEO :sly:
     
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    Something very odd just happened in GP2 - ART Grand Prix have taken Stoffel Vandoorne and SuperGT racer Takuya Izawa. Vandoorne has been placed by McLaren, but Izawa seems to be coming with Honda's blessing. After all, he has been racing for Honda in SuperGT.

    This presents a mathematical impossibility: McLaren have two seats, but between them and Honda, they have four drivers - Button, Magnussen, Vandoorne and now Izawa. Even if Button leaves, that is three drivers into two seats (and does not take into account the rumours of Alonso returning). So why would Honda place a thirty year-old domestic touring car driver in a Formula 1 feeder series a year before they enter Formula 1 themselves?

    I suspect they are either going to try and swing a team over to using Honda power, or support an entry bid for a team as they did with Super Aguri.
     
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    Well, a Honda B-Team managed to get Yuji Ide on the grid...:nervous:
     
  8. prisonermonkeys

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    If this is indeed their plan, at least give them credit for trying to do it right - Ide was just thrown straight into the sport; Izawa, at least, comes from an open-wheel background in Formula Nippon, and will get experience in GP2 first.
     
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    The Izawa move to GP2 is quite surprising and so completely incomprehensible. Everyone thought the rumoured Japanese driver moving to GP2 was going to be Naoki Yamamoto, and for good reason as he's young-ish, coming off very good seasons in both Super GT and Super Formula and commented at the end of the season that he was considering moving to European racing for 2014. For Honda to choose Izawa for a path to a potential F1 seat (a good driver, but near enough 30 and certainly nothing spectacular) over Yamamoto and Tsukakoshi is hard to believe and probably politically motivated. Izawa did get the 3rd one-off Suzuka WTCC seat after all, it definitely seems his relationship with his employer is very good.
    Ide also had plenty of experience in single seaters and finished 2nd in Formula Nippon the year before his F1 foray. But you're right, Ide was thrown into an unfortunate situation and the lack of testing and language barriers did him in, combined with lacking a bit of the necessary talent for F1. The F1 adventure ended up ruining his career as after he went back to Formula Nippon his results were very poor and he ended up retiring/pushed out of top line Japanese racing in 2010. Ide's Super Aguri stint was a poorly conceived and unfortunate situation all around.
     
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    What has Izawa got to do with Haas? Oh right nothing :confused:
     
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    Do you think it would be a better idea to start up a new thread for every rumour and story about a new team, or to keep them all in one spot, like the silly season thread?
     
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    I dont understand your perpetual desire to cram every topic into singular threads as if making a new thread is a dirty horrible act and the horror of a thread with no or only 1 or 2 replies is something you cant bare to see. If something isnt worth discussing, it dies naturally, it doesnt have to be crammed into some irrelevant thread just so you save forum space. Theres a big green Post New Thread button, use it!

    If you want to start a thread about F1 team rumours, go ahead, but don't hijack existing threads just because you feel its worth changing the subject.
     
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    Apparently Bernie doesn't think Gene is willing to spend money to bribe him run an F1 team.

    This also seems like Bernie is admitting the budget cap won't work...
     
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    Most likey because he doesn't want it to work and it's stupid to think (for the troll Bernie) that Stefan will do a better job when they seem to be on par with Moda. I think Haas will do better than the guy with shallow plans to get in to F1 since 2009.
     
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    If you are willing to spend I'd wager about 200 million on an F1 team and it isn't enough, I wonder if Red Bull's expenses are nearing the billion dollar mark....
     
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    It's believed that both Ferrari and Red Bull have spent up to $400 million in the past. That is about as high as it gets.
     
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    I'm aware they weren't really spending that much. I think Bernie is just being very bullish on a new United States based F1 team, even when you have the resources of a man like Gene Haas.
    But at the same time, that means he's not letting a man like Gene Haas possible enter the sport :rolleyes:
     
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    Bernie has no say. The FIA are the ones with the power to award grid entries, and if anything, Bernie likes bigger grids because he doesn't like it when there is no competition over tenth place. He is also wrong when he says Haas submitted an unsolicited expression of interest - the FIA announced they were looking for applicants in December last year.
     
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    From today's media session going on for NASCAR teams:
    Jenna Fryer ‏@JennaFryer 19m
    Haas says he'd base team in on unused land he has in Kannapolis [North Carolina], but "lean heavily" on European outsourcing. Would want a veteran #F1 driver
    Later from same reporter on Twitter:
    Haas finally acknowledges "we've got a shot. I don't think it's a great shot" and Bernie was "skeptical whether we can do it." #F1
    Haas says if #F1 doesnt work out, "there's other racing series to try" like #IndyCar. Admits goal is to double machine sales to $2 billion
     
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    From Jayski:
     
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    Deadline for full entries is today. Unsubstantiated rumours suggest the FIA has been equally impressed by the Kolles/Kodewa and Haas entries, and is willing to consider both for a grid spot depending on the strength of their full entry (and likely a site visit).
     
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    Would be nice if both teams got a spot on the grid, even though they would just be backmarkers for awhile.
     
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    So why not Danica Patrick and Kyle Larson!
     
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    They do have room for two more teams on the grid, as it would put them up to the limit of 26 cars.
     
  26. Northstar

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    Well, Pastor somehow has a super license, so why not! They could even turn it into a game, every time you pass them without ending up in the pits, you get a point.:lol:
     
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    Hopefully the FIA takes both, with the future of many teams in question it seems better to accept 2 just in case a current team drops out. There's no chance Stefan GP gets in though, especially since Stefanovic took legal action against the FIA after they denied him in 2010.

    Funny thing is that he had Toyota's 2010 car, so assuming he wasn't the next Andrea Sassetti Stefan GP should have been able to beat the other newcomers.
     
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    Lets not get too carried away with this. I have traced the rumour back to thejudge13, and I am not sure what to make of him. He used to post on F1 Fanatic, but he mostly just did it to piggyback readers, linking to his own blog. I think he got told to stop it, since I have not seen him for a year or so. He rarely cites sources and seems to base most of his content on his own observations.
     
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    What veteran driver could Haas land if this team does happen? He has explicitly stated he wants an F1 veteran in a car.
     
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    I would guess Heikki Kovalainen would be a front runner as he has the most recent experience, I also wouldn't be shocked if some former drivers like Timo Glock or Vitantonio Liuzzi were considered. I could also see them grabbing someone like Adrian Sutil or Felipe Massa if they get dropped from their current teams at the end of the year.