Give us better sounds - PLEASE !!

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mister dog
If you want i can start using electrical blenders as a comparison, just to keep it a tad original ;)
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Hey, that's what I compare the bad sounds to. XD

I honestly never saw the sound resemblence in GT5's car sounds to vacuums, but blenders on the other hand; always. Oh, and those coordless drills.

On a serious note, I don't think all of the sounds of cars in GT6 are bad. Although, I think PD will eventually fix all of them, but probably not until GT7.
 
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Griffith500
No, the one you replied to saying "play a different game", which couldn't in any way be interpreted as a sensible response to what was actually written in it: hence non-sequitur.
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Way too off topic.. So I was saying that x-cars cannot stand the competitors. So not a really good effort. Kaz has to do a lot better. Not a hardware issue. Past gen consoles has racing titles which sound way better than gt6 and x-cars.
 
fet_thunderdome
Way too off topic.. So I was saying that x-cars cannot stand the competitors. So not a really good effort. Kaz has to do a lot better. Not a hardware issue. Past gen consoles has racing titles which sound way better than gt6 and x-cars.
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None of which bears any relation to what I wrote, is my point.
 
IneedSchool
I'm curious, what constructive criticism about Gran Turismo's sounds did you type in other than the typical vacuum cleaner sounds that thirteen-year olds were laughing at several years ago?
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What constructive criticism do you want? What more is there to say than that the samples they have been using for the last 10 years are outdated and need to be replaced asap? Hardware restrictions is just a textbook BS excuse in my opinion.....

These sounds have become that laughable for a 2013 game, that i suppose the more 'mature' folk will also laugh with the vacuum cleaner comparison just the same as a 13 year old.
 
mister dog
Yes very badass to propose talking about a blender instead of vacuum cleaners, why they don't cast me for action movies i'll never know.

"Do you have GT6" is the weakest troll you can use to try to invalidate my opinion, you know damn well it has the exact same flaws as GT5, especially if this thread is about engine sounds... good try though kiddo 👍
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Ok, let's level the conversation in the right way: I don't think I called you kiddo and you shouldn't do that to me (sorry if the meme ofended you, but I'm 31, so no kiddo here)

About GT6 having the same flaws of GT5, yes, you're right but not completely right. It has improved in several areas and I can't understand why some people just get picky at the bad parts and when somebody praise the good things about it, they come again and point out the bad stuff. A bit ungrateful, I think... I see the good things about it, I am wrong because of that? Don't think so. You should play it, if you haven't already, I recommend that then you can see what's good and what's bad. Anyway, I don't think we need to fight because of that. Let's have a nice discussion, sorry if I ofended you. 👍

wowbaggerBR
Saying that "there are good ones here and there" doesn't help either. Is the same line of thinking of Kaz himself, when he went saying that the "sounds are already too perfect".

The point is... people will make jokes and fun about the way that GT sounds because it's pretty much laughable.

Nobody, here, will stop that.

Griffith500 loves to say that disapointment with PD way of doing things comes in proportion of your expectations. So, let's apply that here, shaw we?

If you expect that people will praise a game that missed, for now, entirely sound quality, you'll get very disappointed.

Life is way too short to arguing about a racing game where the sounds aren't good enough saying they are and, yes, the blender comparisson is, still, very accurate.

Which is very sad.
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And you, my fellow brazillian friend... the comparison is not accurate... the sounds in most cases can be very "digital", artificial or whatever but... they are no kitcken appliances. We don't need to exaggerate. Seriously.

And again, you guys just get picky about one specific subject... I don't see the majority of you praising what PD made good in GT6...

Seriously, where most other games have good sounds, they are VERY poor on content (see Asseto Corsa, in the right path but poor content right now), pCars (only racing cars, they need more 100 cars at least to call it decent)... and the usual competitor, well, a VW Fox doesn't sound like that unless you add a CAI and a sports air filter. The sounds are great, but way exagerated.

I drive a Ford Fiesta 1.6L myself, everyday... no modifications on it. Want to know what it sounds like? Like a boring little car... that's how most small cars sound in GT6 and that is pretty lifeless but accurate. In the usual competitor, a Ford Fiesta sound like the tuned 2.3L Duratec engine you can find in a Caterham. It's cool? Yes it is... its accurate? Nope.
 
diegorborges
Ok, let's level the conversation in the right way: I don't think I called you kiddo and you shouldn't do that to me (sorry if the meme ofended you, but I'm 31, so no kiddo here)

About GT6 having the same flaws of GT5, yes, you're right but not completely right. It has improved in several areas and I can't understand why some people just get picky at the bad parts and when somebody praise the good things about it, they come again and point out the bad stuff. A bit ungrateful, I think... I see the good things about it, I am wrong because of that? Don't think so. You should play it, if you haven't already, I recommend that then you can see what's good and what's bad. Anyway, I don't think we need to fight because of that. Let's have a nice discussion, sorry if I ofended you. 👍
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No worries my good man :cheers:
This is after all the sound thread, so i guess i have enough reasons to throw dirt at PD for this matter. And if it comes to the good points of the GT series i'm not afraid to say the physics, circuits and the day/ night transitions are beautifully implemented. Apologies from my side for saying kiddo, you're actually the same age as me :lol:

IneedSchool
You never actually proven anything, you're just trying to troll people here.
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Am I PD, do I need to prove something regarding the sounds of GT? :odd:
 
I've already issued a public warning in another thread, and will do so here.

The personal digs and attacks stop now.

The next member to ignore this will be getting a three day time out from GT Planet.
 
diegorborges
And you, my fellow brazillian friend... the comparison is not accurate... the sounds in most cases can be very "digital", artificial or whatever but... they are no kitcken appliances. We don't need to exaggerate. Seriously.

And again, you guys just get picky about one specific subject... I don't see the majority of you praising what PD made good in GT6...
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That's because you only see what you want. You only see a perfect game where there isn't one in the same way that you only see my critics because you are too busy trying to convince people that the game is perfect in the first place.

There is lots of content made by me in photo threads and even in discussion boards about GT6 - and they are positive, joyful and all. But I'm a human being, and I can accept that the game has lots of ups, but also has lots of unbeliavable crushing downs as well. And this kind of behaviour, praise the good, criticize the bad, is very common amongst the very die hard critics here. With few very known exceptions.

And my girlfriend have a hair dryer that sounds exaclty like some cars in the game. I'll record it, if you want.

diegorborges
Seriously, where most other games have good sounds, they are VERY poor on content (see Asseto Corsa, in the right path but poor content right now), pCars (only racing cars, they need more 100 cars at least to call it decent)... and the usual competitor, well, a VW Fox doesn't sound like that unless you add a CAI and a sports air filter. The sounds are great, but way exagerated.

I drive a Ford Fiesta 1.6L myself, everyday... no modifications on it. Want to know what it sounds like? Like a boring little car... that's how most small cars sound in GT6 and that is pretty lifeless but accurate. In the usual competitor, a Ford Fiesta sound like the tuned 2.3L Duratec engine you can find in a Caterham. It's cool? Yes it is... its accurate? Nope.
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Content is something that don't really bother me. It's cool a ton of cars, but I won't really drive all of them anyway. It is almost impossible to me get a standard, for instance. I like cockpit view very much.

What I care the most are the race cars. I'm with GT since the begining because I love racing, and by understanding that you can see why the sounds bother me so much. Take the Bentley, the Audi R18 and the Peugeot 908: all very different cars that, yet, sound exaclty the same! A gasoline V8, a V6 turbodiesel and a V12 twin turbodiesel.

How can I be passive about it? Why can't I complain about it? I want a better game, because I love GT. Don't you?

(Side note: The R18, on very low revs, have some of that "little pickup truck sound" that you hear on onboard footage of the real thing accelerating in Arnage. Sadly, I can only hear it on the 7.1 Sony headsets. This is a nice touch).
 
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wowbaggerBR
That's because you only see what you want. You only see a perfect game where there isn't one in the same way that you only see my critics because you are too busy trying to convince people that the game is perfect in the first place.

There is lots of content made by me in photo threads and even in discussion boards about GT6 - and they are positive, joyful and all. But I'm a human being, and I can accept that the game has lots of ups, but also has lots of unbeliavable crushing downs as well. And this kind of behaviour, praise the good, criticize the bad, is very common amongst the very die hard critics here. With few very known exceptions.

And my girlfriend have a hair dryer that sounds exaclty like some cars in the game. I'll record it, if you wish.



Content is something that don't really bother me. It's cool a ton of cars, but I won't really drive all of them anyway. It is almost impossible to me get a standard, for instance. I like cockpit view very much.

What I care the most are the race cars. I'm with GT since the begining because I love racing, and by understanding that you can see why the sounds bother me so much. Take the Bentley, the Audi R18 and the Peugeot 908: all very different cars that, yet, sound exaclty the same! A gasoline V8, a V6 turbodiesel and a V12 twin turbodiesel.

How can I be passive about it? Why can't I complain about it? I want a better game, because I love GT. Don't you?

(Side note: The R18, on very low revs, has some of that "little pickup truck sound" that you hear on onboard footage of it in Arnage, at Le Mans. Sadly, I can only hear it on the 7.1 Sony headsets. This is a nice touch).
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Different people, different tastes and interests... That's what makes things interesting. Content is KING for me. GT3 was an awesome game but it was a let down for me because it only had 200 cars... after GT2 massive 697 cars? It was terrible. You care a lot about racing cars as I can see... Racing cars doesn't interest me as much, I love Gran Turismo because the sheer amount of road cars, even the everyday cars you could drive, The Real Drive Simulator, drive anything you want... see how different things can be?

And you're right about the sounds not being good, again I never said they were perfect and super correct... The thing about wrong engine type samples is critical (6 cilinder sounds in a V8, etc) I'm just against the whole rage that surrounds GTP lately and that's directly related to exaggeration. I think it's harmful to the community the way the criticism is being done latelly.

amar212 just wrote a great post on this subject right here, take a look if you feel like. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/post-1-03-in-game-update.297301/#post-9215032 .
 
diegorborges
Different people, different tastes and interests... That's what makes things interesting. Content is KING for me. GT3 was an awesome game but it was a let down for me because it only had 200 cars... after GT2 massive 697 cars? It was terrible. You care a lot about racing cars as I can see... Racing cars doesn't interest me as much, I love Gran Turismo because the sheer amount of road cars, even the everyday cars you could drive, The Real Drive Simulator, drive anything you want... see how different things can be?

amar212 just wrote a great post on this subject right here, take a look if you feel like. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/post-1-03-in-game-update.297301/#post-9215032 .
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But I have to admit: massive content of normal every day cars brings us surprises.

I'm terribly in love with the premium Alpine. Now I want a real one... :nervous:
 
wowbaggerBR
But I have to admit: massive content of normal every day cars brings us surprises.

I'm terribly in love with the premium Alpine. Now I want a real one... :nervous:
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Me too! Got two of them... one completely stock and other with 180hp...

Well, in our country the closest thing we had was the Willys Interlagos... it won't be cheap tho.

And btw, as this is a sound thread, the Alpine A110S sound pretty good, specially in lower revs, huh? :)
 
diegorborges
I'm just against the whole rage that surrounds GTP lately and that's directly related to exaggeration. I think it's harmful to the community the way the criticism is being done latelly.

amar212 just wrote a great post on this subject right here, take a look if you feel like. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/post-1-03-in-game-update.297301/#post-9215032 .
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Hi buddy,

The reason GTPlanet is "raging" is because we have been let down with another game with the same mistakes and issues as the last.
People are tired of PDs lack of communication and seemingly half hearted approach to the game we all love.

We are angry because we are seeing this fantastic game that many of us grew up with and invested literally years of our life and money in going downhill fast.

Remember this is GTPlanet too, we are the ones who love the game and if we are unhappy what do you think the other 99% of GT buyers think?

It is totally mind boggling that standard cars and tracks plus dreadful sounding audio is still in the game yet they have time to map and render the stars, moon and lunar rover for a 10 minute challenge.

I mean WT...?

We are just passionate.

I don't like Call of Duty any more but i don't go to their forums complaining - because i don't care what happens to it.
 
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phil_75
Hi buddy,

The reason GTPlanet is "raging" is because we have been let down with another game with the same mistakes and issues as the last.
People are tired of PDs lack of communication and seemingly half hearted approach to the game we all love.

We are angry because we are seeing this fantastic game that many of us grew up with and invested literally years of our life in going downhill fast.

Remember this is GTPlanet too, we are the ones who love the game and if we are unhappy what do you think the other 99% of GT buyers think?

It is totally mind boggling that standard cars and tracks plus dreadful sounding audio is still in the game yet they have time to map and render the stars, moon and lunar rover for a 10 minute challenge.

I mean WT...?
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I agree with your opinion almost completely buddy.

I just think we can try to put our opinions in these forums in a better way, then even PD can find useful information and do something about it. And again, GT6 have flaws but it's very very good and improved in a lot of aspects IMHO. I'm having fun with it every single day (and btw you did a nice run in the M4 seasonal, phill - you're on my psn list :) )

If a newcomer enter these forums right now, it'll be very hard for them to find useful information and healthy discussions about the good subjects of the game. We're free to talk about the points we are unhappy and that we need to be changed but what I've seen latelly is that some people just focus on that. Nobody praises the advances that PD did in the physics area, nobody praises the new and faster menus, the new tracks...

Anyway... GT6 is an evolving product... GT5 changed completely with the updates. I think we can expect even more with GT6. They are working, it will happen...

And we are going OT. Sorry.
 
diegorborges


Me too! Got two of them... one completely stock and other with 180hp...

Well, in our country the closest thing we had was the Willys Interlagos... it won't be cheap tho.

And btw, as this is a sound thread, the Alpine A110S sound pretty good, specially in lower revs, huh? :)
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Such a happy car. :bowdown:

Agree, it does sound nice.

I found some Interlagos in Curitiba, but none are to sale at human prices.

Griffith500
That, for me, is the very raison d'être for this game. Although, I wouldn't call the Alpine "everyday", myself.
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True. It isn't everyday, but it is far away of the racing cars that I normally care the most in these games.
 
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diegorborges
Ok, let's level the conversation in the right way: I don't think I called you kiddo and you shouldn't do that to me (sorry if the meme ofended you, but I'm 31, so no kiddo here)

About GT6 having the same flaws of GT5, yes, you're right but not completely right. It has improved in several areas and I can't understand why some people just get picky at the bad parts and when somebody praise the good things about it, they come again and point out the bad stuff. A bit ungrateful, I think... I see the good things about it, I am wrong because of that? Don't think so. You should play it, if you haven't already, I recommend that then you can see what's good and what's bad. Anyway, I don't think we need to fight because of that. Let's have a nice discussion, sorry if I ofended you. 👍



And you, my fellow brazillian friend... the comparison is not accurate... the sounds in most cases can be very "digital", artificial or whatever but... they are no kitcken appliances. We don't need to exaggerate. Seriously.

And again, you guys just get picky about one specific subject... I don't see the majority of you praising what PD made good in GT6...

Seriously, where most other games have good sounds, they are VERY poor on content (see Asseto Corsa, in the right path but poor content right now), pCars (only racing cars, they need more 100 cars at least to call it decent)... and the usual competitor, well, a VW Fox doesn't sound like that unless you add a CAI and a sports air filter. The sounds are great, but way exagerated.

I drive a Ford Fiesta 1.6L myself, everyday... no modifications on it. Want to know what it sounds like? Like a boring little car... that's how most small cars sound in GT6 and that is pretty lifeless but accurate. In the usual competitor, a Ford Fiesta sound like the tuned 2.3L Duratec engine you can find in a Caterham. It's cool? Yes it is... its accurate? Nope.
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I drive a 1.6L Ford Ka which probably has the exact same engine as your Fiesta, one of those Zetec engines and let me tell you I would pay 100 bucks for any game that sounded as good as my little Ka, real life cars do sound boring if you're a "casual" driver but when you put your foot down it's another story plus these things are easy to drive on the limit cause they're slow and they wont get you killed unless you're a complete idiot.

I agree that FM4 exaggerates the sounds though but they aren't that far off, a simple change of exhaust tip to any car can radically change the volume and the way it sounds in real life, have you ever heard a Ka with a broken pipe or completely straight pipes? it sounds like a v8 monster at low revs.

I just love experimenting with my Ka, it's so old and isn't worth much so why not mess with it as if it was a little race car.

Apart from the Ka, I drive other cars that aren't modded in any shape or form, a 207 RC and a Megane RS, even the Peugeot which is quite silent on the inside sounds meatier at high revs than anything I've ever heard in a game.
 
Sounds are off on some, sounds are spot on or close for others, in general, there are too many sounds that are off as compared to spot on. Now this is not a 50/50 ratio, more of a 10/90 or a 20/80 ratio of bad to good sounds.

I just don't see the point of ad hominem attacks towards these matters. Sounds are bad overall, anyone can point and be nitpicky and say wow that one car out of 1200 is bad, but this is on a much larger scale. More like wow, those 900 cars sound pretty bad. If this was a complaint about one car sounding bad, I wouldn't give it my full depth of attention.

But these glaring issues are more widespread than a single car, so it definitely needs to be addressed.


PS: I typed in ad hominem, it marked me as the word being misspelled, I right clicked on it, asked me if I wanted to correct to Eminem. :lol: try it...
 
diegorborges


Me too! Got two of them... one completely stock and other with 180hp...

Well, in our country the closest thing we had was the Willys Interlagos... it won't be cheap tho.

And btw, as this is a sound thread, the Alpine A110S sound pretty good, specially in lower revs, huh? :)
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I still remember this car from when I lived in Brasil, even had a small die-cast toy of it.
It made me remember the Willys Aero my dad drove back then, nostalgia, big time.

Thanks for posting this, please excuse the OT all.
 
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Griffith,

I figured I should ask you...

Is the Bathurst GT6 trailer indicative of the direction PD is going regarding sounds? In other words, will the sounds in the trailer (especially the downshift in the in-car view) be the sounds found in future iterations of GT (sound update for GT6 or GT7 for PS4)? So with the new type of method in sound reproduction, can it feasibly reach that kind of fidelity?

I mean the trailer is evidence that PD knows what/how cars should sound like! Alot of people make assumptions that Kaz is deaf and has no clue that the sounds are not too good in its current state.
 

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