BobK
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Of course. And that's the big problem I see with the whole debate -- too many with an axe of some sort to grind on both sides.Can't the same be said for the oil companies that fund climate change denial?
Of course. And that's the big problem I see with the whole debate -- too many with an axe of some sort to grind on both sides.Can't the same be said for the oil companies that fund climate change denial?
What freedoms will we have on a planet where the conditions for viable crop growth occur in areas as small as today's oil fields?
You're aware that a small amount of warming from where we are now actually appears to improve global crop production?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...-warming-is-creating-perfect-crop-conditions/
It's a big, big step to get to the point where crop farming is near globally unviable. I wouldn't expect anyone to start worrying about that particular one until the planet is at least at the point where further warming would be detrimental.
Exactly how high do you expect the oceans to rise? In order to devastate to this hyperbolic degree you are talking I think crop production will be the least of our worries, as our largest population centers would be under water.I'm not sure how ideal "underwater" actually is though. In the UK and parts of mainland Europe it would be devastating.
It doesn't seem so "perfect" for growing crops if you're Austalian: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-30225276
Exactly how high do you expect the oceans to rise? In order to devastate to this hyperbolic degree you are talking I think crop production will be the least of our worries, as our largest population centers would be under water.
And that kind of scenario assumes all the ice of Antarctica will melt. We are very. very. very. very. very far from that happening. You will need massive, permanent temperature changes to reach that point, well beyond what the global average is expected to increase.
Wait, are you sticking to the idea of every bit of ice melting off of Antarctica? I challenge your premise as hyperbolic and you just walk past that to "what do we do when it happens?"So where do you put the people... and where do you then grow the food?
37 inches would be the equivalent of major costal flooding. Nothing to laugh at but far from destroying crop production.In 1995 the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a report which contained various projections of the sea level change by the year 2100. They estimate that the sea will rise 50 centimeters (20 inches) with the lowest estimates at 15 centimeters (6 inches) and the highest at 95 centimeters (37 inches). The rise will come from thermal expansion of the ocean and from melting glaciers and ice sheets.
They question the IPCC. Is the IPCC wrong? Are they lying?What are your thoughts (and @Imari too) on this article? Go through the comments too, some good discussion in there. Note: The page took 2-or-3 goes before it would load, could be my connection here or their potato-server.
So where do you put the people... and where do you then grow the food?
It's true that land is also rising in some places (Yorkshire continues to grow in height, stature and culinary excellence) but this doesn't mitigate against sea level rises.
What are your thoughts (and @Imari too) on this article? Go through the comments too, some good discussion in there. Note: The page took 2-or-3 goes before it would load, could be my connection here or their potato-server.
I'm in a "severe weather" meteorology class this semester, basically an introductory course. Yesterday our teacher, an Asian science guy who does research and all sorts of Asian science guy things, was lecturing about the history of earth's climate, specifically ice ages. He showed us a few graphs which illustrate the fact that we are currently on the tail end of an ice age.This link is mostly skeptical of global warming.
Scientists warn if we don't act now to stop global warming, Ice Road Truckers could be cancelled as early as 2030.
Honestly, it's bit scary to think that, there are still people who think that, it'd be the worst thing caused by the global warming.Scientists warn if we don't act now to stop global warming, Ice Road Truckers could be cancelled as early as 2030.
And then Republican Politicians say that there is no such thing as global warming. A lot of the last 80 pages say that too... Then why is all the ice melting?
Supposedly, it's building up at at the South Pole.And then Republican Politicians say that there is no such thing as global warming. A lot of the last 80 pages say that too... Then why is all the ice melting?![]()
Quite the opposite. Most of what I've observed in this thread is people asserting that global warming absolutely happens. What they often contend is whether or not it's anthropogenic global warming.And then Republican Politicians say that there is no such thing as global warming. A lot of the last 80 pages say that too... Then why is all the ice melting?![]()
I said "a lot" doesn't mean most. Also I haven't visited this thread in a long time.Quite the opposite. Most of what I've observed in this thread is people asserting that global warming absolutely happens. What they often contend is whether or not it's anthropogenic global warming.
It's a massive distinction.
It wasn't so much a question of lesser or greater bias in numbers, but that you're possibly conflating opinions that have a distinct separation. Human driven warming vs warming disconnected from human behaviour. That it's the view for many here that the latter is the only cause for the phenomenon means that it would be largely a moot point for them - until those with the opposite view (or act as if they have the opposite view) propose measures that affect them, based on the opposite view.I said "a lot" doesn't mean most. Also I haven't visited this thread in a long time.
And then Republican Politicians say that there is no such thing as global warming. A lot of the last 80 pages say that too... Then why is all the ice melting?![]()
Because the temperature rose to above 0C or 32F ...Why does the ice melt in your freezer?
D: Something else entirely.Is it because someone left the door open, or is it because your fridge is breaking down? Or a bit of both? Or something else entirely?