This is just after the car behind has started braking. For him to start braking earlier than that, it would have needed to be clear even earlier than this what the car in front was going to do. I can't see any way the car behind could have predicted it, even at the point in time shown in this image, never mind even earlier.
More like 10 - the braking point with the orange barrier is just after the 150m board.
But at that point the Supra is braking maximally and cannot do anything to brake more. There are only two choices - go inside, or drive off the track to the outside. The instructional video says he should have driven off the track to the outside, and that is what I would have done, but I'd see the incident as the fault of the car in front, effectively forcing the car behind off the track. As the game wouldn't give the car in front a penalty for forcing the car behind off the track, the majority of people playing the game ignore the instructional video and head for the inside.
The collision occurred on the corner apex. It would have been hard to if they weren't overlapping.
You are much wiser than that Famine to realise that is not what I mean... I would expect better.
I'm used to disappointing - I'm married with two daughters.
He has roughly 1.1s, during which he is fully on the brakes - with one tyre locked.
We're not talking about two cars in the same formula going into a corner with some overlap, but two cars with wildly different capabilities going into a corner where the former has slowed significantly early and turned extremely late into a region where a car behind - braking appropriately - is inexorably going to be.
It is only a racing incident when both cars have equal claim to the apex, if either one has less than equal claim to the apex then it is on them to avoid any contact.
The first sentence there is the key, not the bolded one.
I think we all agree that this is the sign of an absolute willy.
I do definitely need to work on my track and car knowledge, although it’s impossible to know exactly how every single car reacts in every single corner on every single track in the game.
I was switching cars every race and we raced on different tracks every race. I’m not too experienced with the Megane, hence why I chose it.
It’s obvious mistakes were made by both myself and the other driver.
The main reason for me getting a bit angry about it was the argument after. At that moment in the lobby I couldn’t watch the replay back to see what actually happened and in my mind it was just a divebomb. I would have been fine with it if he just said ‘sorry I couldn’t avoid you’. But instead he came with the whole ‘Senna excuse’. I’m aware of his aggressive driving style as I’ve been in the same lobby with him many times, and until this incident, I never had any with him as he is usually much further up the field than I am, but I have seen many arguments between him and other drivers, all annoyed by his aggression in both attacking and defending situations. Every time he seems oblivious and stubborn to accept any responsibility for his actions, claiming that “rubbing is racing”, “Senna did it too” and “that if we had ‘our way’ passing should only happen on straights”.
I’m just still mind blown about his attitude towards others. I’m working on my track and car knowledge and situational awareness while racing, and I think he could probably also learn a bit more to anticipate slower/less skilled drivers.
But I’m afraid he’s just not going to learn or change his attitude in any way, I accept that and will try to just avoid his as best as I can.
Anyway, thanks for all the responses, it definitely changed my view on the situation. We’ll probably never get to an absolute agreement on what happened and what could or should have been done, but it’s been a learning experience for me at least
This just isn't true in real life. You can't suddenly go over 20% slower on a bit of track when doing so would put the following car on a collision course with you. If you do that, and the car behind hits you, it's your fault. This is even true when driving on normal roads, I read about a case where someone braked for no reason on a motorway, and they were the one convicted of causing death by dangerous driving when it caused a collision behind them, it wasn't argued that it's the problem of the cars behind to accommodate their unreasonable braking. It's even more the responsibility of the car in front on a race track when it is expected that the car behind will follow more closely than they would on a normal road.
It makes me angry all over again
Its only a moot point if you accept the games “rules” as being correct - which they are not. As this discussion was not aimed in the direction of “was this penalty that the game gave deserved” it is a moot point to claim that because the game believes this way then real world rule applications dont apply.
Not really. Real world rules don't apply to GT Sport (it'd be a far different experience if they did). For that matter, no one set of 'corner rights' edicts apply consistently in the real world either - they differ from race to race within an individual series, never mind in different series.
Which is why no reference was made to the game's decisions or penalty system...
And that is that both drivers made errors - the Supra in going for a gap that was likely to close and not taking evasive action (although unlikely to be successful) when it closed, the Megane for braking ludicrously early and turning late into the path of a car committed to the path, resulting in on-apex contact between two unaware drivers. Hence, racing incident.
