Goodbye bumper and chase cam

[Venom800tt]

I randomly switch between cockpit and chase views depending on how I feel. The roof/hood cam or whatever is kinda neat, but I never use it. I also never use the bumper cam.

 

[semilife]

I think this is just a purists view in my opinion, each to his own I say. If a driver is good enough driver does it really matter which view point someone prefers. I personally do quite like the cockpit view my self, in addition I also like the bumper cam youre not a fan of (remember this was the staple viewpoint for GT1-4). I personally hate the chase view as I think the car looks like it wiggles around like a whale, but I am sure there are guys who love it.

 

[nevertell]

It's all about the taste. But, when racing in online events, this should be specified, because to some, their driving skills differ from camera to camera. For example, I drive better with the cockpit view.

 

[Tenacious D]

Unless the server specifies roof or chase cam, I won't be on those servers. Sorry.

 

[nevertell]

Unless the server specifies roof or chase cam, I won't be on those servers. Sorry.

Well, it wouldn't be ethical to host only cockpit view events

 

[RACECAR]

I think this is just a purists view in my opinion, each to his own I say. If a driver is good enough driver does it really matter which view point someone prefers. I personally do quite like the cockpit view my self, in addition I also like the bumper cam youre not a fan of (remember this was the staple viewpoint for GT1-4). I personally hate the chase view as I think the car looks like it wiggles around like a whale, but I am sure there are guys who love it.

Exactly.

 

[sher_da_putt]

bumper view as usual, i only use cockpit to check out how the inside of my car looks before actually racing. i find chase view complicated, you cant see the road in front, but thats just my opinion.

 

[TVC]

The in car view is my favorite but no the best view to race with. The bumper cam is a lot better because there aren't any real distractions and you are able to see a lot more than with the in car view.

 

[Zer0]

I'm the only that get faster lap times in cockpit view rather than bumper?

Previously I always played GTs in bumper cam but there's something about the cockpit that helps to mantain better lines and get the correct turning points maybe a best sense of distance or car position.

Overall my driving is better in this view.

 

[DonZonda]

I agree with you , the Cockpit view looks faster than Bumper ,

the speed of views in order are:

1st Cockpit
2nd Roof
3rd Bumper
4th Chase

but well , the sense of speed in GT anyway not the best. They need to fix it

 

[Paulie]

I only ever use the cockpit view for racing, but the chase view comes in handy for checking if hotlaps are clean in replays.

 

[Zer0]

I agree with you , the Cockpit view looks faster than Bumper ,

the speed of views in order are:

1st Cockpit
2nd Roof
3rd Bumper
4th Chase

but well , the sense of speed in GT anyway not the best. They need to fix it

Sorry I mean faster lap times, to me bumper always feel faster because you can view more road and more close, like driving a kart or motorbike.

 

[DonZonda]

Sorry I mean faster lap times, to me bumper always feel faster because you can view more road and more close, like driving a kart or motorbike.

Oh haha , no problem , well for me the bumper cam feels slower than cockpit and roof i dont know why

 

[Tenacious D]

The recreation of speed in Gran Turismo is about spot on. It seems slow compared to other games because they hype the speeds. I couldn't believe it in GTR Evo when I was leaving pit lane at about 45mph (60kmh?), and the lane was flying past like I was doing 80! 45mph is sloooooow. If you drive, take some time to watch your surroundings. Anything less than 100mph seems like I'm just cruising. I can watch details in the road coming at me at highway speeds at my leisure.

 

[WolfRacer543]

The recreation of speed in Gran Turismo is about spot on. It seems slow compared to other games because they hype the speeds. I couldn't believe it in GTR Evo when I was leaving pit lane at about 45mph (60kmh?), and the lane was flying past like I was doing 80! 45mph is sloooooow. If you drive, take some time to watch your surroundings. Anything less than 100mph seems like I'm just cruising. I can watch details in the road coming at me at highway speeds at my leisure.

In GTR evo it depends how you have set your field of view. It doesn't "hype up" the speed in the sense it doesn't use any trickery, its just with a wide field of view, things which are actually next to you appear more like they are infront of you, making them appear to move faster. If you reduce the field of view to a more realistic value, the sense of speed decreases.

I personally feel GTR evo actually feels a bit slow when driving down the nurburgring straights at 300kmh.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I would say it feels right, just like GT5P.

 

[kikie]

I tend to switch between bumper cam and cockpit cam. I use the bumper most of the time and watch the replays withe the cockpit cam (and enjoy it) and the track cam's.

The view that I miss in the GT series is the bonnet/hood view.

1. bonnet/hood cam/view
2. bumper cam/view
3. cockpit cam/view

 

[Monkey House]

Nothing but bumper cam for me. The cockpit view shows you way more than you ever see in your field of vision when you're driving a real car. You tune out what you're not looking at. I find the bumper cam the most realistic.

 

[Lucas]

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I'm sorry, but I bet many people are willing to say you are out of your mind if bumper cam is realistic compared to Cockpit view. It may not be perfect, but at least you can see the steering wheel, something that you obviously can't in bumper cam, which is a place where the driver is not even located

 

[Zathra5_]

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I'm sorry, but I bet many people are willing to say you are out of your mind if bumper cam is realistic compared to Cockpit view. It may not be perfect, but at least you can see the steering wheel, something that you obviously can't in bumper cam, which is a place where the driver is not even located

actually, I can see the steering wheel in the bumper cam view. Unfortunately, I see two steering wheels in cockpit view. How is that realistic?

 

[davidg1230]

I'd like to say cockpit view only, but I know I'd get frustrated if I didn't have the choice of the bumper cam. Definately no need for a chase view, it makes the game too arcadey

 

[Earth]

I don't understand the people who say they see "two wheels" or "two sets of hands"

In my years with wheels, I never ever had any problem like that, and I've had wheels at various heights and distances from the screen. Maybe because I'm focusing on the screen, and not the wheel?

Cockpit view is by far the most realistic and engaging view possible. Bumper cam may artificially give you more peripheral vision, but it detaches you from the car and takes away from the simulation experience.

I think the main problem is too many people are just not willing to put in the time it takes to get use to the cockpit view because it appears daunting. It's alot easier then it looks.

I did some testing, I went to different turns and switched from cockpit view to bumper cam going through them and there was almost always no difference in visibility. Only difference was cockpit view had a 3-D cockpit appear on your screen while bumper cam had silly floating gauges. Visibility through 75%+ of the turns was not hurt in cockpit view.

When I started playing GT5P I made a vow to only use the cockpit view, and boy it has paid off. I have zero problems in traffic and I don't lose that much time to those who use views that let you see more or further up the road.

EDIT: And this is driving from the backseat. GT5P cockpit views look nothing like this

 

[=ReBeL=]

99% of times I use cockpit cam, it is such a good fun to be able to see inside of car, I missed that in previous GT games. Sometimes (very rarely) I change to bumper cam when TTing. Bring on full GT5 with 600+ cars all with inside cam!!!

 

[Watevaman]

actually, I can see the steering wheel in the bumper cam view. Unfortunately, I see two steering wheels in cockpit view. How is that realistic?

Now, here's the quandary that all of us who own wheels have to put up with. We either use the bumper cam and recreate the cockpit using our own seats and steering wheels, but alas there is no dashboard present, something that every car has. Then, for us that use the cockpit view, we have a dash present, but we also have two visible steering wheels.


I personally don't look at the steering wheel I grip when I'm racing and am focused on the screen at hand (which has a steering wheel not only present, but accurate to the car I'm driving), so I'd much rather have the cockpit view and have a slice of my DFGT out of my peripheral vision than have no dashboard at all and remove some of my personal immersion factor.

Edit: Wow, Earth summed up what I was arguing perfectly. Thanks, bro.

 

[Zathra5_]

I don't understand the people who say they see "two wheels" or "two sets of hands"

In my years with wheels, I never ever had any problem like that, and I've had wheels at various heights and distances from the screen. Maybe because I'm focusing on the screen, and not the wheel?

What is there not to understand. You don't have two wheels when you are driving in real life. I don't even look at the wheel in my car when I drive, I look at the road. To me having an extra wheel in the picture is annoying and totally unrealistic.

Cockpit view is by far the most realistic and engaging view possible. Bumper cam may artificially give you more peripheral vision, but it detaches you from the car and takes away from the simulation experience.

No, cockpit is the most realistic and engaging view to you. I find it very annoying and unrealistic. It just does not capture the essence of what I see when I drive. While the bumper cam view isn't realistic either, at least I can imagine that the screen is my windshield.

I think the main problem is too many people are just not willing to put in the time it takes to get use to the cockpit view because it appears daunting. It's alot easier then it looks.

I would assert that the reason that it takes time to get used to is because it is unrealistic to many of us.

I did some testing, I went to different turns and switched from cockpit view to bumper cam going through them and there was almost always no difference in visibility. Only difference was cockpit view had a 3-D cockpit appear on your screen while bumper cam had silly floating gauges. Visibility through 75%+ of the turns was not hurt in cockpit view.

When I started playing GT5P I made a vow to only use the cockpit view, and boy it has paid off. I have zero problems in traffic and I don't lose that much time to those who use views that let you see more or further up the road.

EDIT: And this is driving from the backseat. GT5P cockpit views look nothing like this

The fact of the matter is no view is realistic. You just can not capture realism with a small 2D screen. It is just not possible. FOR ME the most engaging view is that shown in the SCC videos with just a bit of the dash ceiling and pillars visible. I did an experiment where I took a picture of my TV while sitting in my usual driving position. I adjusted the zoom so that only the screen was visible. I then took a picture in my car. The resulting picture was almost exactly the same as that shown in the SCC video. Again even this isn't that realistic. You still need a fake speedometer and should have a fake mirror. But for me it is much much better than the GT5P cockpit view. There is just way too much screen real-estate taken up by things that just never focus on while driving.

 

[Cocomoto]

Cockpit view 95% of the time.

For me, have "two wheels" isn't a problem, even on previous GT games i rarely use the bumper cam, i don't know but... you are too close of the ground in bumper cam.
In the cockpit view I can feel better how the car moves, and it is like a dream have a GT game with ALL cars with interior views, it was really a surprise when i saw some people complaning about it, i tough everyone will love it !1!
But now i really see that you can't make everyone happy.

 

[Lucas]

What is there not to understand. You don't have two wheels when you are driving in real life. I don't even look at the wheel in my car when I drive, I look at the road. To me having an extra wheel in the picture is annoying and totally unrealistic.

The wheel is not part of the game. The wheel in the cockpit cam is part of the game. If I recall correctly, it's not obligatory to buy a wheel along with the game. I know what you will probably say. The wheel adds a better overall experience to the game. So does the cockpit cam.

While the bumper cam view isn't realistic either, at least I can imagine that the screen is my windshield.

A very unrealistic windshield, for that matter. Why not imagine then that the wheel is not there?

Honestly, people complain (I'm not talking about you, just in general) about things the game lacks. Then, when the game has it, they complain about how badly implemented they are. Therefore, the game would be much better if it had tons of cars, tons of tracks, and nothing else for people to complain.

 

[GT Allstar]

While I see the merits of both, when I race online, I want to have the best peripheral vision available. That's why i run the bumper cam. I don't want to bounce off other players that are in my "blind spots" (and yes, I KNOW about "situational awareness" ). If I want to race offline, I'll occasionally use the in-car view, but I think that I personally, prefer the bumper cam (which is inaccurately named as the view is at the drivers eye level, not at his knees - or 'bumper').

Whatever view you use, it is a subjective opinion as to which one is better, IMHO. This particular thread will only serve to identify who will use which view more.
Cordially,

 

[Lucas]

Yes, you are right. I will stop the "discussion" right now before things get out of hand, as my "discussions" always seems to get

About your bumper cam reason, you are right. I don't want to find myself killing another player's chance to win because I bump him

 

[Zathra5_]

The wheel is not part of the game. The wheel in the cockpit cam is part of the game. If I recall correctly, it's not obligatory to buy a wheel along with the game. I know what you will probably say. The wheel adds a better overall experience to the game. So does the cockpit cam.

A very unrealistic windshield, for that matter. Why not imagine then that the wheel is not there?

Honestly, people complain (I'm not talking about you, just in general) about things the game lacks. Then, when the game has it, they complain about how badly implemented they are. Therefore, the game would be much better if it had tons of cars, tons of tracks, and nothing else for people to complain.

I drive with a wheel so it is in the game. The cockpit cam adds to your overall experience of the game. I find it annoying. Honestly, I really don't get people who think that the cockpit cam is the ultimate way to play the game and don't understand that it has limitations just like any other or that other people may prefer a different view. The problem is more than just the second wheel. It is an unrealistic viewpoint. To get that view with a camera you need an ultrawide lens. ultrawide lens are known for the "distortion" that they produce. It is not how we see things in real life.

"Whatever view you use, it is a subjective opinion as to which one is better, IMHO. This particular thread will only serve to identify who will use which view more."

Exactly. Every view has its advantages and disadvantages and we can only expect that different people will prefer different views.