Grade the "American Revolution."

[animateria]

Am I the only one that had the word 'CIVIC' flash in my brain when I saw comercials for this car?

Front Wheel drive... Looks almost exactly like a Civic... Maybe it was created to compete against the Honda? (Unless it is one of those ''share technology'' things that happen time to time). It sure seems to target the same age group... (Look at Cobalt ads... It's targeting a younger audience)

 

[Joey D]

Well I would say you are right since they are in the same class. Many cars in that class target the younger market because kids don't look for big cars with nice rides, they want little things.

Front wheel drive? That's the main similarity you saw? Wow then a Monte Carlo must be stealing things from the Civic.

 

[animateria]

Well I would say you are right since they are in the same class. Many cars in that class target the younger market because kids don't look for big cars with nice rides, they want little things.

Front wheel drive? That's the main similarity you saw? Wow then a Monte Carlo must be stealing things from the Civic.

Nah... I was thinking how similar these cars are... They Look already look alike and if they have the same drive train... Bingo!! I've got a winner!! (I think I will confuse these two if I just glance at them from the streets)...

I was just stupid enough to write them in the wrong order...

 

[Joey D]

I'm going to get b!tched at for this one...but the Cobalt I think is better then the Civic.

+ Horsepower
+ Torque
+ Turning Radius
+ Size
+ Interior Room
+ Safety
+ Warrenty

But on the downside
- Civic gets better fuel economy

 

[animateria]

I'm going to get b!tched at for this one...but the Cobalt I think is better then the Civic.

+ Horsepower
+ Torque
+ Turning Radius
+ Size
+ Interior Room
+ Safety
+ Warrenty

But on the downside
- Civic gets better fuel economy

Me? Nope... I never really understood the raves the Civic got in the first place... It just seemed like a bland Econocar that suites young peoples needs (A wee bit sporty, And more brand name)... Heck If I needed to buy one of these... I would go for more performance...

 

[skip0110]

I'm going to get b!tched at for this one...but the Cobalt I think is better then the Civic.

Heck, for Coablt SS money ($25 K) you could get a RSX Type-S ($23 K). You get an extra 5 hp, an extra gear in the tranny, and it's a much nicer naturally aspirated engine, from a luxury make no less. If they dropped the Cobalt SS price by $5 K it would be a contender, but for now I would take the RSX Type-S.

 

[Joey D]

But then again why waste your money on either? Why not just buy a SRT-4? I don't care waht anyone says. For the money you can't beat the SRT-4.

 

[skip0110]

But then again why waste your money on either? Why not just buy a SRT-4? I don't care waht anyone says. For the money you can't beat the SRT-4.

👍

It is by far the best in the class, pity I don't see many on the street.

 

[Joey D]

Really? They are all over around here. Mind you I can see the Chysler World Headquaters everyday on my way to school. But ya on campus there are like 20 of them running around. It seems to be the big thing for kids now a days.

One of my buddy's has one, I really like it. But I don't really think I'm a car man.

 

[PS]

Is it just me, or does Double_R sound like ones of those 10yr old poser kids who thinks he knows everything?

 

[neanderthal]

BX
youve posted a list of stats about the cobale. that doesnt make it a better car.
it may go faster and have a smaller turning cirlce. but that doesnt mean it rides as nicely or steers well.
it may have more horsepower, but that could be mitigated by higher curb weight and awkward gearing. etc etc etc

the quality of a car is not a list of stats. but how it drives, how it feels, how it communicates with the driver, whether or not its well put together, if it leaks or rattles etc etc etc. thats why hondas are perennial favorites. they may not win any categories, but they do everything well.

 

[JohnBM01]

Not to roleplay as Blazin, but that's the only thing you notice about the Aveo? The Cobalt looks pretty aggressive. Whereas the Civic looks more modest when stock, the Cobalt is more like a Cornerback on the Gridiron. You know, the Cornerback is the one in the Secondary being more like "you think you're getting to the end zone? Hah! Gotta get past me first, chump!" The Cobalt is every bit as aggressive as its Mopar rival, the SRT-4. Personally, I'd love to see a Cobalt and an SRT-4 do in the obstacle course (drag strip, skid pad, road course, that sort of thing). I'm sure sport compact specialists magazines like "Sport Compact Car," "Import Tuner," or something like that will give both cars the ultimate shakedown.

 

[Joey D]

The SRT-4 would be the Cobalt SS in everything. The SRT-4 not only has a lot more power, but also a better suspension.

 

[Lethalchem]

BX
youve posted a list of stats about the cobale. that doesnt make it a better car.
it may go faster and have a smaller turning cirlce. but that doesnt mean it rides as nicely or steers well.
it may have more horsepower, but that could be mitigated by higher curb weight and awkward gearing. etc etc etc

the quality of a car is not a list of stats. but how it drives, how it feels, how it communicates with the driver, whether or not its well put together, if it leaks or rattles etc etc etc. thats why hondas are perennial favorites. they may not win any categories, but they do everything well.

When we talk about cars being "better" than others, things become blurry. Not everyone values the same things in a car. What might be good or desirable to one person, might be useless or an annoyance to another. Personally, Hondas don't possess anything of interest to me in the least. But for every person who feels as I do, there will be one who disagrees.

For the amount of money we spend (and never get back) on vehicles, I think it's important to find something that gives the owner an emotional return. You've got to get something more than just simple transportation out of a purchase this big. I look forward to getting in either of my cars, regardless of where I'm going, evry single day. I always feel good after having driven them, even if it's just coming home from work. I simply enjoy the experiences they provide. That's something stats can never convey, nor can they ever be accurate among various owners.

My wife, for example, wouldn't drive either one of my cars if I paid her (not that I'd let her, of course ). Everyone has different needs, definitions, and desires for their specific car. That's one of the reasons this thread has gotten so silly. If anyone truly believes that one country is incapable of building a vehicle equal to the performance/quality of another country, then you've got a lot of growing yet to do. You think some country has "discovered" some secret technology that nobody else knows about yet?? C'mon, cars have been around for long enough. Everyone knows how to build one. The differences are simply in the needs/wants of one population over another. Nothing more.

 

[gloup]

how much does it costs a Civic Type-R in the US?
here it costs about 30K euros (aircon is extra)
i think some companies must analyse the term "value for money" since with that amount of money we can buy a RX8, a Mini Cooper Works, and many many many other faster and better cars.

 

[Joey D]

We don't get the Type R in the US I don't think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. There are a few around my place but they were bought in Canada.

 

[animateria]

We don't get the Type R in the US I don't think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. There are a few around my place but they were bought in Canada.

Are those the rare SiR Hatchbacks I see some times? I only seen two so far and I don't see it on the Honda homepage...

 

[Double_R]

Is it just me, or does Double_R sound like ones of those 10yr old poser kids who thinks he knows everything?

you can [edited] aswell. Lucky 4 u ur behind da safety of ur computer screen.

 

[Ghost C]

you can [radio edit] aswell. Lucky 4 u ur behind da safety of ur computer screen.

I have a feeling this is going to be the end of your stay here.

 

[Joey D]

Are those the rare SiR Hatchbacks I see some times? I only seen two so far and I don't see it on the Honda homepage...

Could be. Right now in America the olny thing we get is the Civic Hatchback Si.

 

[Duke]

[edited] Lucky 4 u ur behind da safety of ur computer screen.

1) You know very little about cars and you're simply repeating the same ignorant incorrect 'truth' you've been fed by tuner magazines and Inital D. If you're going to write long, windy rants, it pays to know what you're talking about. Ignorance is not a bannable offense, but it doesn't work in your favor when you commit bannable offenses. Read on.

2) If you expect people to read your long, windy rants, you should bloody well type them in literate language. Lazy txtmsg posts come from lazy txtmsg brains. If you expect anyone to read them, make them understandable. And lucky for us, typing like that is a bannable offense, if you keep it up:

* No slang words that promote laziness, ie; "r", "u", "plz", etc.

* Half decent grammar is expected. Use of capital letters starting sentences is looked upon favorably. Spelling half decently is also encouraged.

3) Use profanity like that again, particularly against another member, and it will be my distinct pleasure to terminate your membership in this forum, because that's also a bannable offense:

* No personal attacks on other members will be tolerated. If you question someone, it must be done in a reasonable and semi-friendly manner. Violating this rule will be grounds for suspension and/or permanent removal from the board.

* No hard core profanity. Hard core meaning use of the "F" word and words commonly associated with body parts. Violating this rule will be considered grounds for suspension and/or permanent removal from the board.

So far you've seriously violated the first four rules that tou agreed to follow when you signed up. I could ban you on the spot. However, I'll give you one more chance to screw up.

Read the rules in my signature and follow them. And for your own benefit, learn to think for yourself.

 

[1X83Z]

how much does it costs a Civic Type-R in the US?
here it costs about 30K euros (aircon is extra)
i think some companies must analyse the term "value for money" since with that amount of money we can buy a RX8, a Mini Cooper Works, and many many many other faster and better cars.

We don't get a Civic Type-R. The best we can do is a 3-door hatch Civic, called the Si, which is built in Britain and sold in very low numbers in the US. It comes with a 160-horsepower 2-liter four, borrowed from the Acura TSX and RSX, and the only available transmission is a 5-speed manual. The only Type-R the US has ever gotten is an Acura Integra, sold from 1997 to 2001, excluding 1999.

Are those the rare SiR Hatchbacks I see some times?

The US never got a Civic SiR. Either someone imported one, or, more likely, they bought SiR badges for their Si.

 

[Drifting Thunda]

I think the SRT-4 is the coolest thing to come from Mopareans since the '70s. Although the Neon SRT-4's interior is a cheap pile of plastic, the rest of the car is quite awesome and no doubt a good buy at it's low price.

 

[JohnBM01]

I'll tell you one thing. In terms of imports, does it kind of seem like we don't get the best? The Ford Focus RS- not sold in the States. Honda Civic Type-R- not sold in the States. At least in terms of compacts, we don't get that, seemingly. Unless, of course, you import it. I've talked about the Cobalt (namely the Cobalt SS) and the SRT-4. Is Cobalt SS/Neon SRT-4 the best matchup in the American compact market?

 

[Lethalchem]

I'll tell you one thing. In terms of imports, does it kind of seem like we don't get the best? The Ford Focus RS- not sold in the States. Honda Civic Type-R- not sold in the States. At least in terms of compacts, we don't get that, seemingly. Unless, of course, you import it. I've talked about the Cobalt (namely the Cobalt SS) and the SRT-4. Is Cobalt SS/Neon SRT-4 the best matchup in the American compact market?

They can keep'em.

 

[skip0110]

I'll tell you one thing. In terms of imports, does it kind of seem like we don't get the best?

Well, we don't like real performance small cars, instead we like to take a base Civic and rice it up.

Is Cobalt SS/Neon SRT-4 the best matchup in the American compact market?

Well, we do have lots of mildly hot stuff: Acura RSX, Focus ST, Mazda 3s, and Mini Cooper S.

These cars sell well because they are still managable as a everyday car, yet nice enough to make a commute fun.

 

[1X83Z]

Is Cobalt SS/Neon SRT-4 the best matchup in the American compact market?

Depends. I should mention that the Cobalt SS is actually not the one you're talking about. Cobalt has five trim levels which utilize three engines:

- base, LS, LT (140hp 2.2L 4-cylinder)
- SS (170hp 2.4L 4-cylinder)
- SS Supercharged (204hp 2.0L supercharged 4-cylinder)

You're referring to the Cobalt SS Supercharged, I assume, and not the plain SS which, though fairly quick in its own right, is not the high performance Cobalt model.

To answer your question, the SRT-4 is very easily the best compact value on the market. Subaru Impreza WRX takes a close second. Nothing compares to these two vehicles in terms of performance for price. Consider:

Dodge Neon SRT-4: $20700, 230hp, 0-60 in 5.8
Acura RSX Type-S: $23600, 210hp, 0-60 in 7.2
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged: $21400, 205hp, 0-60 in 6.3
Ford Focus ST: $17800, 151hp, 0-60 in 8.6
Honda Civic Si: $19200, 160hp, 0-60 in 8.0
Hyundai Tiburon GT: $18200, 172hp, 0-60 in 7.7
Mazda 3s sedan: $16600, 160hp, 0-60 in 8.4
Mini Cooper S: $19900, 163hp, 0-60 in 7.6
Mitsubishi Eclipse 3.0: $22900, 200hp, 0-60 in 8.2 w/ manual
Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart: $18200, 162hp, 0-60 in 7.8
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V: $17600, 175hp, 0-60 in 7.8
Pontiac Vibe GT: $20000, 170hp, 0-60 in 8.5
Saturn Ion Red Line: $20900, 205hp, 0-60 in 6.3
Toyota Corolla XRS: $17500, 170hp, 0-60 in 8.3
Toyota Matrix XRS: $18800, 170hp, 0-60 in 8.5
Volkswagen Golf GTI VR6: $22300, 200hp, 0-60 in 7.5
Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T: $22200, 180hp, 0-60 in 7.9

None of those vehicles even compared to the SRT-4 on acceleration for price, with the exception of the Sentra SE-R Spec V, which is so much cheaper that it loses out on performance. Cooper S is the only vehicle I'd consider over the SRT-4.

 

[skip0110]

What about the $19,410 V6 Mustang with 210 hp that runs 0-60 in 6.9 sec? Yes, it pales in comparison to the GT, but it is faster than quite a few of the more expensive cars on your list.

 

[1X83Z]

What about the $19,410 V6 Mustang with 210 hp that runs 0-60 in 6.9 sec? Yes, it pales in comparison to the GT, but it is faster than quite a few of the more expensive cars on your list.

He asked about compacts!! The Mustang is the best performance deal on the market, bar none; the SRT-4 is the best compact deal and second to the Mustang overall. Base models of each engine of Mustang are absurdly cheap given the performance - a Mustang GT does 0-60 as fast as an M3, for $20000 less. Frankly, I'll take a solid rear axle any day when 0-60 comes in 5.2 for $24400. Consider this: my dad paid that for a Camry a few years ago and he has a 135-horsepower 4-cylinder.

 

[JohnBM01]

Okay, now the Mustang is a pretty unique case here. The Mustang is no one's sport compact no matter how you slice it. However, when I attended a Hot Import Nights show once (Hot Import Daze is coming up here in Houston on April 9th, for fans of this tuner circuit), I seen two modded Mustangs, and they weren't bad really. Nothing like stuff that would have an American car afficionado want to grab a shotgun and a flame thrower at. So I guess you can say it's a "tuner-friendly" muscle car. Of course, I know what American car purists would say. But I just thought I'd give some examples.