Grade the "American Revolution."

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Speaking og Mustangs anyone read the article on the SVT thats due out in 06 or 07? For 35k you get a supercharged V8 pushing 435hp and your choice of 3 suspension set ups. Sign me up!
 
BlazinXtreme
Speaking og Mustangs anyone read the article on the SVT thats due out in 06 or 07? For 35k you get a supercharged V8 pushing 435hp and your choice of 3 suspension set ups. Sign me up!
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I know I'm pulling this off topic but linky please? I graduate in '07 :dopey:
 
I'll have to look on the s10forum.com. Thats were I saw it at. I think its supposed to shown at the NY Auto Show in March.
 
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2007 SVT Cobra to be unvieled at the New York Auto Show starting March 25

"With no cars currently on the market, there’ve been plenty of rumors working their way through the industry grapevine about the future of Ford Motor Co.’s high-performance SVT unit. But “reports of its demise have been greatly exaggerated,” the head of the brand-within-a-brand told TheCarConnection.com, lifting a turn-of-phrase from Mark Twain. “We’d hate to give up on the brand equity we’ve established over the last 10 years,” insisted Hau Thai-Tang, the new boss of SVT, who until recently led the development of the new, retro-styled Mustang. An SVT version of the Mustang will be unveiled at the upcoming New York Auto Show, said Thai-Tang, and though he wouldn’t confirm production plans, sources told TCC it’s a bit more than a year away. Several other possible SVT models are under consideration, with an emphasis on adding a more mainstream product, such as a high-performance Fusion sedan.

Details:

- 465HP, 6-speed manual running in the low 12's with a trap speed of 120mph!

- You choose the rear suspension set up, either IRS or Solid Rear Axle with the IRS apparently pulling over 1.0g in the corners...

- The Price... in and around 30k.

Motor: 5.4 Supercharged, 3 valve heads (with HUGE valves), forged internals similar to the 4.6 (Crank, rods, etc), modestly rated (under rated actually) ~465 HP/495 lb ft Torque, using a twin screw S/C similar to that on the Ford GT but pullied differently, hence the lower HP. This motor was supposedly made official (in house only) just in the last few days.

Transmissions: 6 speed manuals standard with a heavy duty 5 speed auto (the tranny used on the Ford Superduty but programmed/geared differently) as an option in late '07 or the '08 M/Y.

Suspensions: A re-engineered, heavy duty IRS will be an option with a modified 3 link/panhard bar-live axle setup as the standard rear axle. SVT will be going for the Road Race buyer as well as the straight line racer with both axles optional. However, the Axle options are not set in stone as of the moment but look highly likely to be approved. The Cobra will be lowered about 1.5" from a stock GT.

Bodywork: The retro theme will continue with a serious nod to the '67 Shelby. The fenders may be flared more than the standard '05 but that is not for certain as of now. The ducktail will be factory installed. Also, no convertible is planned for now but no reason was given other than concerns over chassis reliability due to the torque volume.
 
M5Power
Dodge Neon SRT-4: $20700, 230hp, 0-60 in 5.8
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And that 230hp is underrated, as the two in my car club put down almost that much to the wheels. I believe the actual output is closer to 250, which makes it the all out best performer for the money, in my opinion.

JohnBM01
So I guess you can say it's a "tuner-friendly" muscle car.
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I would say the Mustang is THE tuner car that re-ignited the tuning/aftermarket craze for modern muscle in the mid/late 80's, which we continue to enjoy to this day.

BlazinXtreme
Speaking og Mustangs anyone read the article on the SVT thats due out in 06 or 07? For 35k you get a supercharged V8 pushing 435hp and your choice of 3 suspension set ups. Sign me up!
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Those interested in swapping out their current 03/04 Cobras like me, have been following this car for a LONG time. Your information is a bit premature. There have been all sorts of rumors floating around about the setup and performance for some time now. Non of the magazine information is officially confirmed yet. I can tell you a few things that I make educated guesses about though:

The car will NOT be $35,000. My car was that price, and came with 390 underrated (actually 425) supercharged horsepower. The new Cobra will have a 5.4L engine instead of my 4.6L, and will have at LEASTT 450hp, which many believe will also be underrated. With the numbers current modded cobra's are putting down with less than $1000 in mods, Ford isn't going to expect previous owners to take a step backwards too far for a car that will cost more. I'd plan on paying closer to $40,000 this time around.

BlazinXtreme
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That picture is just a photchop of what some people are guessing it will look like. It's even stolen the Roush side exhaust. Don't count on that being the final product. The good thing about all thi sis, we'll all find out in March, Woo!!! :D
 
Lethalchem
And that 230hp is underrated, as the two in my car club put down almost that much to the wheels. I believe the actual output is closer to 250, which makes it the all out best performer for the money, in my opinion.
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I don't buy any underratings anymore without significant proof, this one especially. I stand by 230 and the Mustang being a better value (slightly).
 
The Ford 4.6 has never been underrated--in any trim, I daresay. Heck, just look at the times these things get--they are okay, but not great for the rated hp.
 
There's no Camaro, at least until the next few years. So does Chevy have any sizable competition for the Mustang, or is there any competition with the Camaro/Mustang rivalry temporarily dead? By the way... Photoshop or not, the car's HP is no joke, neither is its looks.
 
Drifting Thunda
But after I get the 1.7L Autorotor twin screw supercharger to replace the Eaton on the SC I want a 514ci (460 block) for the '86 lol... Should be beastin. :)
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Something like this then? :D (yeah, I realize the engine is modular but the look is stunning)
JohnBM01
There's no Camaro, at least until the next few years. So does Chevy have any sizable competition for the Mustang, or is there any competition with the Camaro/Mustang rivalry temporarily dead? By the way... Photoshop or not, the car's HP is no joke, neither is its looks.
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Well, a Chevrolet dealer will most likely point buyers interested in a V8 sports coupe to the FWD Monte Carlo, which (in 2006) will be powered by a 300 hp 5.3 L LS-series V8. No comparison to the Mustang really, but at least there is something with 2 doors and a V8 in Chevy's lineup.
 
MrktMkr1986
Not quite -- that's the 87-88 body style like my car. He has the '86 body style and it looks very different in my opinion. :sly:
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It was my understanding they were just a front clip apart--but you would know much better than me.
 
Sorry about going off on the Mustang direction. I guess I should get back on topic with the GM cars.

So what does everyone think about the Caddy's V-Series cars? I think the STS will be nuts, 440hp and 0-60 in under 5 seconds! I think we will have a contender for the Euro sedan market.

Also the XLR-V! The XLR is already just as fast as the Corvette, I guess it will be just like the ZO6. God I wish I had a ton of money.
 
Yeah... er.... something like that! Except I'm not very wealthy so prolly no blower on top lol! The differences between the '83-'86 and '87/'88 body style aren't many, I got the four eye headlights and a longer rear end. Dang though that bird in the magazine is awesome!

This is my '86 (I know it needs rims lol...) I painted the grill black to match the car like a Turbo Coupe and I shaved the antenna. Currently it's just a non-HO 5.0 with no engine mods, and just got some used long tube headers, and true duals with cutouts on the car.
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M5Power
I don't buy any underratings anymore without significant proof, this one especially. I stand by 230 and the Mustang being a better value (slightly).
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skip0110
The Ford 4.6 has never been underrated--in any trim, I daresay. Heck, just look at the times these things get--they are okay, but not great for the rated hp.
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I'm assuming neither of you have seen stock dyno's on these cars then, or perhaps you think dyno's are fictional. If a car is rated at 390hp, and it puts down a documented 380 to the wheels, you're saying you'd rather believe it's a rediculously efficient drivetrain over the possibility that a car would be underrrated? 💡
 
Emohawk
I'm confused by all this. Isn't it federally required to publish HP figures as taken at the wheels, not the crankshaft?
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No. They're still taken at the crank (the flywheel, more specifically, as far as I know).

"Net" ratings are published: they include accessories like the alternator, power steering pump, etc. Before the early '70s ('71, I think) power figures were "gross", without any of the accessories. From '70-'71 (I think... I'd have to look it up to be honest) many cars' engines didn't change whatsoever, but the ratings were significantly lower the second year due to the way in which they're measured.
 
They definitely do not have to rate at wheels. As far as I know nearly all ratings are at the crank/flywheel.

Lethalchem is right there, the '03/'04 Cobra's supposedly make more like 420-430 crank power. Fact is they basically all dyno about 380 rwhp and with 390 crank rating, that is underrated unless you believe ~2.5% drivetrain loss is a realistic figure. It's just not possible, the Cobras are underrated.
 
Lethalchem
I'm assuming neither of you have seen stock dyno's on these cars then, or perhaps you think dyno's are fictional. If a car is rated at 390hp, and it puts down a documented 380 to the wheels, you're saying you'd rather believe it's a rediculously efficient drivetrain over the possibility that a car would be underrrated? 💡
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I've now heard "credible" evidence that the following cars were underrated from the factory in the past week:

- 89-91 Cadillac Deville
- Chevrolet Camaro 5.7
- Dodge Neon SRT-4
- Ford Mustang Cobra
- GMC Syclone
- GMC Typhoon
- Pontiac Grand Prix 5.7
- Subaru Forester XT

Folks, let me be perfectly clear about this:

I DO NOT BUY IT

Sometimes ratings aren't perfect but they're generally damn close to the average version of a car. Some make slightly more, some slightly less. Unless I drive a vehicle to what I deem to be a credible dyno and see the process myself, I will not buy this, period. Say what you will - I constantly hear crap like "it makes 120 at the wheels so how can it make 127 at the crank"? I don't care: it's not underrated, plain and simple.
 
Cobra "scientists?"

You know, to be honest, I'll admit. I've never really been a Cadillac fan. Nothing about it all, just that I've never really admired Cadillac. It's just been that I haven't been turned on to anything of Cadillacs. Maybe I'm hard to impress, but if this reborn sports car maker can have their cars go from 0-60 in under 5 seconds, they deserve some attention for sure. I made a thread on the Cadillac STS. And our own M5Power said that this car can hang with the Jaguars and BMWs and Audis. I think I'd also go on record to say that whatever M5 says, you tend to listen. Or since this is a message board, whatever he types, you tend to read.

The Impala and Monte Carlo have some nice new looks, the Cobalt is going to challenge the SRT-4 even if it gives up a certain number of hp. The Silverado is still one of the toughest trucks in America. I'd call it a good range of products, but nothing to warrant a revolution. So if Chevrolet started "An American Revolution," what would Chevy have to do to convince America that a revolution is about to REALLY unfold against America's automobile market? Of course, this question is for those who think this "American Revolution" deal is a heap of crap. So go for it, or reply on.
 
M5Power
I've now heard "credible" evidence that the following cars were underrated from the factory in the past week:

- 89-91 Cadillac Deville
- Chevrolet Camaro 5.7
- Dodge Neon SRT-4
- Ford Mustang Cobra
- GMC Syclone
- GMC Typhoon
- Pontiac Grand Prix 5.7
- Subaru Forester XT

Folks, let me be perfectly clear about this:

I DO NOT BUY IT

Sometimes ratings aren't perfect but they're generally damn close to the average version of a car. Some make slightly more, some slightly less. Unless I drive a vehicle to what I deem to be a credible dyno and see the process myself, I will not buy this, period. Say what you will - I constantly hear crap like "it makes 120 at the wheels so how can it make 127 at the crank"? I don't care: it's not underrated, plain and simple.
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He who keeps his eyes closed, will always be blind.

I've been to a "credible dyno", and I've "seen the process myself" (and so have thousands of other people who all back up the same conclusion). Living in ignorance proves nothing but stubborness, but it's certainly no skin off my back. :D

JohnBM01
I think I'd also go on record to say that whatever M5 says, you tend to listen. Or since this is a message board, whatever he types, you tend to read.
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Thinking for one's self is a helpful attribute. You should try it sometime, lest you fall prey to the same misguided confusion of your "heros". :D
 
The reason we listen to M5 is because for the most part he knows what he is talking about and can almost always back it up.

I always listen to the smarter people because hey I'm not that smart myself.
 
BlazinXtreme
The reason we listen to M5 is because for the most part he knows what he is talking about and can almost always back it up.

I always listen to the smarter people because hey I'm not that smart myself.
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I'm not putting him down, and I look up to several people in my car club as well. We can all learn something now and then, regardless of how much experience we have. We can't all be an expert at everything. This is simply an area he obviously doesn't have any personal experience in. Doesn't make him ignorant or wrong about other things. Just this.
 
Lethalchem
He who keeps his eyes closed, will always be blind.
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Honestly, I refuse to go any further than this on this argument, which is based solely in opinion. I've heard from so many owners that their car "feels underrated" or "beat a car with a better power-to-weight so it must be underrated" or better yet "looks underrated." I've even heard ten million people tell me their car or a version of their car was dynoed stock and had some absurd number of horsepower.

Manufacturers have no reason to underrate cars anymore, especially performance cars like the Mustang Cobra or SRT-4. These cars sell because of their horsepower, among other things. I bet the Dodge people said, "let's play a fun trick - we'll call it 230 horses, but actually, since we don't like selling the things, it'll be 250 in reality!!! That way, we don't have to make a profit! Yaay!!!" Ford engineers do the same thing. Before you even suggest 'insurance purposes' you should know that it's been a decade or more since insurance companies used horsepower as a determinant of rates. And the EPA doesn't care about horsepower for fuel economy, either.

Horsepower ratings cannot be perfectly accurate all the time. They're damn close, and I stick by each and every one of them.
 

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