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Here's why I think we won't be getting GT8 for a while:


Kaz just made the announcement they started working on it. (It is not even known if it's GT8, it could be GT Sport 2)

It is very clear that PD wants to increase marketing for GT7, which is why they made MFGT.

Speaking of MFGT, Kaz said that he wants to expand it in the future.
 
As long as the GAAS/Live service crap doesn't turn in to the FIFA/Cod levels of stuff.

What will be will be. You can't please all of the people all of the time.
 
The other thing about a game set around modern race cars is, outside of IMSA who do license out LMDhs/GTPs like candy (PD should really talk to them, it'd be a good PR win), licensors are increasingly preferring their own standalone games and/or iRacing these days. A few examples:
  • The only 2 2020s F1 cars I can think of outside of the licensed F1 games are the 2020 Mercedes in iRacing and the Red Bull in The Crew.
  • The only 2 LMHs outside of officially licensed LMU are the GR010 here and the 499P that just got added to iRacing.
  • The cars in GT5/6 might still be the most modern rally cars outside of the official WRC series, modern versions of these don't really show up at all.
  • The current Indycar is iRacing-exclusive.
  • NASCAR's current generation of cars is only iRacing and Forza.
  • Super Formula is GT7 and iRacing exclusive.
  • Super GT GT500 doesn't exist in modern form anywhere, The only GT300s are the BRZ GT300 and Lexus GT3 livery we have here.
  • DTM may as well be RaceRoom exclusive, except for the RS5 we have here.
  • Current-gen V8 Supercars is iRacing-exclusive (Forza just got the old generation models back; claiming that is like claiming PD have modern Super GT GT500 from the 2016 models)
  • Basically every GT3 model that's been added to anything other than officially licensed ACC in the past couple of years has come in a factory base livery (or a custom livery like we got the '18 GT-R in) rather than a racing team livery.
I don't profess to know the reasons at all, but it's clear most racing series licensors are either being more picky with where they license or aren't being approached by many places for their licenses.
 
OultonP
GT Sport offers nothing that isn't in GT7 - in fact the online portions of the game are far more extensive - in addition to a single-player mode.
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A few weeks ago I decided to give Sport a little spin, mainly just to compare the physics models. It was when GT7’s physics update was new and I was struggling to get to grips with at first. Sport’s single player content is actually pretty good. It doesn’t have as much stuff as GT7’s event directory, but what is in there, to me, is a bit better quality (like the drivetrain challenges not having the ridiculous nationality restrictions) and has better variety.

Honestly they could so easily just transplant all the races that’re in GT Sport’s SP mode that are missing in GT7’s event directory overnight, and with hardly any effort (I’m sure) it’d improve GT7 vastly.

It’s almost craziness not to!
 
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Not very related but just so everyone knows, Adam LZ is giving away a yellow Evo 5 currently. Epic troll lol.
 
Kaz said GT players weren’t ready for GT Sport.

It’s also a bit ironic when some say there weren’t enough road cars in GT Sport Yes there are. It’s that we couldn’t tune them as much as we could in the past games.
PD even gave us vehicles in all guises: road car, Gr.4(GT4) and Gr.3(GT3) and even off-road and Gr.3 road versions.
Mustang, WRX and NSX could be had in all flavors. The “GT-R” could even be had in an LM and so to speak VGT spec. ;)

GT7 have brought back the lineage of cars. I figure the next game will do the same. Wouldn’t make sense to do a GT Sport 2 when there’s a Sport Mode in GT7. There doesn’t need to be a say, smaller game to just feature Sport Mode racing. PD do their PDLogic, but My First GT seems like that “app” will do the honors of some type of spillage.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see as always.
 
Nakano219
The other thing about a game set around modern race cars is, outside of IMSA who do license out LMDhs/GTPs like candy (PD should really talk to them, it'd be a good PR win), licensors are increasingly preferring their own standalone games and/or iRacing these days. A few examples:
  • The only 2 2020s F1 cars I can think of outside of the licensed F1 games are the 2020 Mercedes in iRacing and the Red Bull in The Crew.
  • The only 2 LMHs outside of officially licensed LMU are the GR010 here and the 499P that just got added to iRacing.
  • The cars in GT5/6 might still be the most modern rally cars outside of the official WRC series, modern versions of these don't really show up at all.
  • The current Indycar is iRacing-exclusive.
  • NASCAR's current generation of cars is only iRacing and Forza.
  • Super Formula is GT7 and iRacing exclusive.
  • Super GT GT500 doesn't exist in modern form anywhere, The only GT300s are the BRZ GT300 and Lexus GT3 livery we have here.
  • DTM may as well be RaceRoom exclusive, except for the RS5 we have here.
  • Current-gen V8 Supercars is iRacing-exclusive (Forza just got the old generation models back; claiming that is like claiming PD have modern Super GT GT500 from the 2016 models)
  • Basically every GT3 model that's been added to anything other than officially licensed ACC in the past couple of years has come in a factory base livery (or a custom livery like we got the '18 GT-R in) rather than a racing team livery.
I don't profess to know the reasons at all, but it's clear most racing series licensors are either being more picky with where they license or aren't being approached by many places for their licenses.
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Either PD has a business vision focused on its own identity to strengthen the GT franchise, or PD does not receive the necessary budget to close agreements with motorsport leagues to exchange assets.

It's hard to know. Especially because PD has sponsored Super GT for many years, sponsors Pikes Peak, sponsors some GT3 teams, and has not transferred the most important assets from these leagues to the game. In the end, I only saw something important with Super Formula, but it still didn't bring the other racetracks of the season, such as Sugo and Okayama.

It would be very helpful if PD closed agreements with Super GT, IndyCar, DTM or IMSA to bring classic and modern cars, as well as circuits; if indeed these leagues have legal rights to the image of these cars.
 
BrunusCL82
Either PD has a business vision focused on its own identity to strengthen the GT franchise, or PD does not receive the necessary budget to close agreements with motorsport leagues to exchange assets.
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They literally lost their commercial esports licences to ACC

They have the money, the appetite is waining it appears.

Have they backed the right horse in fanatec who knows.

My gut feeling is that the game will either do the game stuff or double down on esports. But if I was Sony I'd bring/buy ACC in house and give them some internal competition
 
Considering the money they supposedly lose with each GTWS event, I would be very surprised to see them focus on it again with the next instalment.
 
Nebuc72
Considering the money they supposedly lose with each GTWS event, I would be very surprised to see them focus on it again with the next instalment.
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These events are getting a bit tedious though. Pretty much the same thing over and over with the same players. I think they should cut the number of events in half, and limit the amount of return players that can participate.
 
Nebuc72
Considering the money they supposedly lose with each GTWS event, I would be very surprised to see them focus on it again with the next instalment.
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Technically it's moving negative profit to another departments budget....but the net number is well the net number
 
Nebuc72
Considering the money they supposedly lose with each GTWS event, I would be very surprised to see them focus on it again with the next instalment.
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What money do they supposedly lose with each GTWS event?
 
eran0004
What money do they supposedly lose with each GTWS event?
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jalopnik.com

The Stars Of Gran Turismo's World Tournament See No Future In The Game (Update) - Jalopnik

Lewis Bentley really started to question things when the show ended.
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Nakano219
The other thing about a game set around modern race cars is, outside of IMSA who do license out LMDhs/GTPs like candy (PD should really talk to them, it'd be a good PR win), licensors are increasingly preferring their own standalone games and/or iRacing these days.
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In the majority of cases manufactures control the rights where their race cars appear. A series licence may get you a few extra bells & whistles but PD have shown little interest in those since GT5. We have Super Formula but that's effectively two cars.
Nakano219
  • The only 2 2020s F1 cars I can think of outside of the licensed F1 games are the 2020 Mercedes in iRacing and the Red Bull in The Crew.
  • The only 2 LMHs outside of officially licensed LMU are the GR010 here and the 499P that just got added to iRacing.
  • The cars in GT5/6 might still be the most modern rally cars outside of the official WRC series, modern versions of these don't really show up at all.
  • The current Indycar is iRacing-exclusive.
  • NASCAR's current generation of cars is only iRacing and Forza.
  • Super Formula is GT7 and iRacing exclusive.
  • Super GT GT500 doesn't exist in modern form anywhere, The only GT300s are the BRZ GT300 and Lexus GT3 livery we have here.
  • DTM may as well be RaceRoom exclusive, except for the RS5 we have here.
  • Current-gen V8 Supercars is iRacing-exclusive (Forza just got the old generation models back; claiming that is like claiming PD have modern Super GT GT500 from the 2016 models)
  • Basically every GT3 model that's been added to anything other than officially licensed ACC in the past couple of years has come in a factory base livery (or a custom livery like we got the '18 GT-R in) rather than a racing team livery.
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F1 and current WRC aside, pretty much all modern race cars are available in multiple titles. Some models, ie NASCAR, may only be in two titles, but that suggests they aren't exclusive. ACC has an SRO license so they get cars in series' liveries. Every other title with GT3 cars (too many to count!) have officially licensed cars. It makes sense to add those cars in their launch or factory livery otherwise you'd have to license every individual sponsor.
BrunusCL82
Either PD has a business vision focused on its own identity to strengthen the GT franchise, or PD does not receive the necessary budget to close agreements with motorsport leagues to exchange assets.

It would be very helpful if PD closed agreements with Super GT, IndyCar, DTM or IMSA to bring classic and modern cars, as well as circuits; if indeed these leagues have legal rights to the image of these cars.
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PD's focus is on their own class structure for racing.

In GT8 that may expand beyond the current Gr.1-Gr.4 set-up to take account of newer race cars and older models that look out of place.

As stated previously the logical explanation is PD are fulfilling DLC support by filling out road car model line-ups. Would not surprise me if cars like the Ferrari 499P & Porsche 963 are already complete, alongside current Super GT GT500 models. Then it's a marketing decision whether to release them in GT7 or wait for GT8.
Fezzik
I would be extremely surprised, honestly astonished, if they managed to develop and release a AAA game in 4 years considering current game dev timelines. Even more so considering they have been developing GT7 over the last 2 years, they didn't stop immediately after release and switch to a follow-up.
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Post launch support is factored in before a title launches. Much of the DLC we are getting now, or at least in the first 12-18 months, was likely underway before GT7 released. Nothing since release suggests the majority of PD's staff have been working on GT7 - you could argue GT7's lifespan has been expanded - due to the difficulties Sony's experienced with other studios. The release of My First GT may play into that.

GT8 won't be rebuilt from the ground-up as most content will be ported across with modest technical improvements. The hard work was done building GT Sport, expanded with GT7, and refined with GT8.
 
Tired Tyres
I would very much like it if Forza Motorsport to be released on PS5. Maybe that would give PD the kick up the arse they need.
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Considering that I just deleted the game from my Xbox, I would not like to see the game on PlayStation.
CodeRedR51
These events are getting a bit tedious though. Pretty much the same thing over and over with the same players. I think they should cut the number of events in half, and limit the amount of return players that can participate.
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How about no returning players at all?
 
Nakano219
This was before they started charging for tickets, to be fair.

Now, they probably still lose money, I'm not denying that. Just that it's probably a bit less money now than it was in 2022.
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Something tells me that after Concord's failure (it, along with some other Sony Group-wide failures, reportedly resulted in Sony Group choosing to become a majority shareholder in Kadokawa instead of buying them outright), things may change.
 
Well, that’s what I said in 2019…
05XR8
The way these Championships are, it's as if it's real racing contracts. Like the same people each time. Why can't the field be new people each event?

I'm sure out of the thousands that participate and take time to do qualifying, there are thousands of stories to tell from the each participant. Wipe the field clean with fresh drivers.

I think Kaz says GT is a family. Well, let some new players have a seat at the big table. What if the next completely new field of drivers offer up clean racing? What if there are some players that have certain impairments, but are exceptional behind the wheel?

These events shouldn't be like Motorsport series where we see the same drivers each weekend. Invite the players that JUST missed out. Maybe those in the next queue. Not just Fraga all the time or Simmons or Mikal.

Not stealing current Championship player's thunder, but kind of making such players, as let's say, heroes of GT, make it so others can shine too.
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I think we have the answer to the "will PD feel the need to respond to Assetto Corsa" debate from the other day, by the way. From a Traxion article:
When version 1.0 drops in the fall of 2025... EVO is going to include 100 cars by v1.0... the 1.0 version will include not less than 15 officially licensed circuits.
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Regardless of the quality level and feature set of ACE by that time, and whether or not they should respond to it, I think we all know PD will look at a game that has less content than v1.00 GT Sport and that isn't on PlayStation and go "yeah, no need for us to counter that, we're fine".
 
After long pause from Playstation i finally snapped and bought myself PS5 Slim with GT7. Must say it feels good to be back. I had loaned PS4 year ago with GT Sport but 7 feels very different yet familliar at same time.

Skill issue is of course present since i played mostly the Horizon series or Crew2/Motorfest on my Xbox last few years and at almost 34 i hate to admit i got used to some bad racing habbits so it feels like learning everything back from zero 😅

But i managed to finish Cafe story and curently atempting the Super License for Gold since all before i have already done. I also had oportunity to try My First GT before starting my GT7 save so getting all bonus cars and money felt nice.

Of course it’s not perfect i mostly hate the used car dealership rotation and the roulette tickets for buyable parts are laughable. I also hate the rolling starts and fact that most events are “chase the leader” type of races with slower cars beign literal rolling blocks on track 😟
 
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Some notes from recent sessions:

-I have a Ferrari 500 Mondial Pininfarina Coupe, wherein I’ve only bought it Sport Soft tires, but lately, it’s been almost un-drivable. It wobbles way too much, y’know?

-It seems that normally, an Abarth 595 SS with the K20 swapped into it has an unknown PP. But when you get a ballast and crank it all the way to the highest weight, it becomes a valid number, somewhere between 450 and 480. You can even add on things like a medium RPM turbo or an anti-lag controller, and it’ll still be an actual value. As it stands, my particular Abarth 595 SS has a little over 400 HP, so I admit I’m quite curious as to how it drives.

-Finally, I poked my head into the ways one can customize a lobby, and it got me thinking about what sort of neat regulations one could have. For example, no limits on engine swaps nor ultimate parts, but there could still be a PP limit of say, 600 or even 700. Also, I could limit the tires to Sport Softs. Could be a fun way to show off custom road cars, but I’m unsure how to prohibit the actual race cars from say, Gr.4. Or I could just allow them, not unlike the Clubman Cup Plus events.

EDIT: I had a potentially even better idea for a lobby setting. BoP is off, limited to Gr.4 cars and Racing tires, and there's a PP cap of 700. Otherwise, everything else is allowed. Could especially be fun since multiple Gr.4 cars can get engine swaps.
 
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Nakano219
I think we have the answer to the "will PD feel the need to respond to Assetto Corsa" debate from the other day, by the way. From a Traxion article:

Regardless of the quality level and feature set of ACE by that time, and whether or not they should respond to it, I think we all know PD will look at a game that has less content than v1.00 GT Sport and that isn't on PlayStation and go "yeah, no need for us to counter that, we're fine".
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It could face some competetion through maybe in 2026 when ac evo is released on ps5 as well, yes it will have less cars and tracks,

But it also has open world witch gt7 dosent, and also seem to get more features overall than gt7, and if they take use of the cars better than gt7 for its single player, means it could be more enjoyable to play as well,

Kunos supriced me when they said they wanted to focus on single player first, everyone else just seems to focus on multiplayer,

And i think it fair to say ac evo will have a much better ai than gt7,
Witch is important to have an enjoyable single player experince,

If ac evo turns out as good as the hype suggest, pd will have to put in good effort with gt8 witch is good thing for everybody, its a win for all us gamers.


for me it sure looks like that ac evo will be a better racing game than gt7, and i say that as huge gt fan and have been part of them since the series started.
 
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The open world thing, more than anything, is something I think Gran Turismo would really benefit from, given that it has seemingly deliberately positioned itself into the “driving simulator” category, as opposed to a serious racing simulator.

Indeed, “The Real Driving Simulator” has been the series tagline since the beginning.

I got into the Shutoko Revival Project mod for the original Assetto Corsa briefly in summer this year, and I couldn’t help but think how cool something this would be in Gran Turismo. Like a drivable hub world based on the “GT City” menus of earlier games, where you can actually drive between all the dealerships, event halls, tuning shops and licence centres in a pretend city, perhaps with it also acting as an online lobby where you can interact with random players doing impromptu races and such. They could even put little touge and dirt courses on the outskirts of the city.
 
Clinton Ducks
The open world thing, more than anything, is something I think Gran Turismo would really benefit from, given that it has seemingly deliberately positioned itself into the “driving simulator” category, as opposed to a serious racing simulator.

Indeed, “The Real Driving Simulator” has been the series tagline since the beginning.

I got into the Shutoko Revival Project mod for the original Assetto Corsa briefly in summer this year, and I couldn’t help but think how cool something this would be in Gran Turismo. Like a drivable hub world based on the “GT City” menus of earlier games, where you can actually drive between all the dealerships, event halls, tuning shops and licence centres in a pretend city, perhaps with it also acting as an online lobby where you can interact with random players doing impromptu races and such. They could even put little touge and dirt courses on the outskirts of the city.
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I would also like some open world section in GT to give the game some variety, but I’m skeptical that would do that, as in Asseto Corsa it will be achieved with procedural generation, and I don’t think that the result would meet PD‘s very high quality standards.
 
Clinton Ducks
A few weeks ago I decided to give Sport a little spin, mainly just to compare the physics models. It was when GT7’s physics update was new and I was struggling to get to grips with at first. Sport’s single player content is actually pretty good. It doesn’t have as much stuff as GT7’s event directory, but what is in there, to me, is a bit better quality (like the drivetrain challenges not having the ridiculous nationality restrictions) and has better variety.
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I think having some variety in an event would be what I want for GT events, though I prefer the power variant (like GT2 having different License and hp limit requirements) rather than country requirements, like I'd rather have certain events like drivetrain challenges not just be limited to some starter events, but also a competition for higher end cars as well.

But ofc there's gotta be more base events as well to be made variations of. And I prefer if they're listed in one event.
05XR8
It’s also a bit ironic when some say there weren’t enough road cars in GT Sport Yes there are. It’s that we couldn’t tune them as much as we could in the past games.
PD even gave us vehicles in all guises: road car, Gr.4(GT4) and Gr.3(GT3) and even off-road and Gr.3 road versions.
Mustang, WRX and NSX could be had in all flavors. The “GT-R” could even be had in an LM and so to speak VGT spec. ;)
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Those are mostly later updates due to the complaints about it not adhering to typical GT experience eh?
OultonP
In GT8 that may expand beyond the current Gr.1-Gr.4 set-up to take account of newer race cars and older models that look out of place.
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GT has always needed to sort the car types (not performance) better, like how in GT5, the limitations for Super GT events was Japan Country, which means foreign Super GT cars like Nomad Diablo can't enter. There should be more added for the car type:
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VinylRichie
I would also like some open world section in GT to give the game some variety, but I’m skeptical that would do that, as in Asseto Corsa it will be achieved with procedural generation, and I don’t think that the result would meet PD‘s very high quality standards.
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Open world in this map:
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Clinton Ducks
The open world thing, more than anything, is something I think Gran Turismo would really benefit from, given that it has seemingly deliberately positioned itself into the “driving simulator” category, as opposed to a serious racing simulator.

Indeed, “The Real Driving Simulator” has been the series tagline since the beginning.

I got into the Shutoko Revival Project mod for the original Assetto Corsa briefly in summer this year, and I couldn’t help but think how cool something this would be in Gran Turismo. Like a drivable hub world based on the “GT City” menus of earlier games, where you can actually drive between all the dealerships, event halls, tuning shops and licence centres in a pretend city, perhaps with it also acting as an online lobby where you can interact with random players doing impromptu races and such. They could even put little touge and dirt courses on the outskirts of the city.
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o000o
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Exactly! GT has had maps in its menu design in GT1, 2, 3, 4 & 7. It would be so cool to have "Gran Turismo City" as a drivable hub world, with an airport being where you go to visit different circuits for race events and such.

A potential downside would be doing that making what is effectively menu navigation a slower process, but I'd personally prefer it.
The map could be relatively small and compact compared to games that use their open world for all of the gameplay (Forza Horizon, The Crew, NFS, TDU etc.)
Or maybe the current menu navigation method could still be accessed by pausing, acting like a fast-travel. That way the open world element becomes optional, but still there for people wanting that experience.

I'd use it as a quicker way to just jump in a car from my garage and drive it for fun casually, rather than having to load into a Paddock or time trial session at an actual circuit.
 
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MIE1992
-I have a Ferrari 500 Mondial Pininfarina Coupe, wherein I’ve only bought it Sport Soft tires, but lately, it’s been almost un-drivable. It wobbles way too much, y’know?
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This is a known issue from around the physics change from the Eiger Nordwand update.
 
PSN offapple
A potential downside would be doing that making what is effectively menu navigation a slower process, but I'd personally prefer it.
The map could be relatively small and compact compared to games that use their open world for all of the gameplay (Forza Horizon, The Crew, NFS, TDU etc.)
Or maybe the current menu navigation method could still be accessed by pausing, acting like a fast-travel. That way the open world element becomes optional, but still there for people wanting that experience.
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No way for the above.

Even the map menu itself will get complaints for being difficult to navigate due to diagonal stuff, dunno if making the menu icons/buildings a square grid will solve those problems. The shortcut menu from GT1/GT2 must be back though.

Otherwise yes, I wanted the map menu back to be used for open world with it as the map, but open world must be optional (seems one of the complaints for open world games in general is slower navigation). And typically open world games also have map access during driving. The main menu/fast travel is always the default, but there are options for free roaming.
 
o000o
I think having some variety in an event would be what I want for GT events, though I prefer the power variant (like GT2 having different License and hp limit requirements) rather than country requirements, like I'd rather have certain events like drivetrain challenges not just be limited to some starter events, but also a competition for higher end cars as well.

But ofc there's gotta be more base events as well to be made variations of. And I prefer if they're listed in one event.

Those are mostly later updates due to the complaints about it not adhering to typical GT experience eh?

GT has always needed to sort the car types (not performance) better, like how in GT5, the limitations for Super GT events was Japan Country, which means foreign Super GT cars like Nomad Diablo can't enter. There should be more added for the car type:
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I mean yeah, I would be absolutely into it, something like this map could be very, a small batch of Tokio for example. If they put their resources just into this for the next title by handcrafting it and wouldn’t be any other new tracks on launch, just the ones we have right now in GT7, I would’ve ok with that.
The question would be how would that look like? Would there be pedestrians, traffic, fuel stations, challenges and events?
It’s just hard for me to imagine that PD would do something like this, but there’s always a first time for everyone.
 
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