Gran Turismo 7 Promo Video Teases Melbourne's Albert Park F1 Circuit [UPDATE]

[Famine]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Gran Turismo 7 Promo Video Teases Melbourne’s Albert Park F1 Circuit [UPDATE]​

Update: Lucas Ordonez has tweeted to clarify that the item was placed by the local agency creating the set and has no connection to Gran Turismo 7...

 

[GBalao888]

There seems to be three cars seen as die-cast models on the background, one of which is clearly a Bugatti Chiron. The two others consist of something matte black, and a red one as well, both of which, I couldn't figure out.

 

[dimassa19]

Nice! Albert Park is one of the few street circuits I'm interested in.

 

[GBalao888]

So this leaves three possible new circuits for GT7. Sure hope all three of them (Road Atlanta, Watkins Glen and Albert Park) get confirmed at launch.

 

[StigBelcherStyl]

Is that a four door Aston teased there thats new

 

[GBalao888]

Is that a four door Aston teased there thats new

In my opinion it looks like a Vantage. The matte black car could be a McLaren P1, I guess?

 

[05XR8]

I thought it was generic, but maybe it’s the Rapide.

 

[dimassa19]

I thought it was generic, but maybe it’s the Rapide.

Yeah, it looks like...

 

[GTRacer22]

Is that a four door Aston teased there thats new

Tesla.

 

[GTWorld15]

I doubt that the track comes to GT7..

 

[GBalao888]

Tesla.

There's a silhouette of a Tesla next to the frame with the Albert Park layout on it.

 

[graesand]

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[Doomotron]

As much as I want gt7 to be the game we want, i fear the desperate clinging for clues as exhibited by this thread combined with the deafening silence from PD a mere 7 weeks before launch tells me we are getting gtsport 2.0 with some cars, tracks and improved offline racing. Its a real shame, i hope im wrong tho...

By that account, isn't GT5 just GT5 Prologue 2.0? Everything that has been shown in the trailers is coming. Expecting more is ambitious, but luckily myself and much of the community are very happy with what's been shown.

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I'm not sure about Watkins Glen and Road Atlanta being semi-confirmed (someone enlighten me please), but this makes Arla and Albert Park semi-confirmed tracks that we may or may not see in the game.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Interesting. The pit lane pictured is also very different to the normal F1 pits. Usually it rejoins just before turn 1 but that looks further from the pit straight and rejoins at the exit of turn 2. Adds a bit more credibility imo.

 

[graesand]

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[Samus]

Interesting. The pit lane pictured is also very different to the normal F1 pits. Usually it rejoins just before turn 1 but that looks further from the pit straight and rejoins at the exit of turn 2. Adds a bit more credibility imo.

How so? It's straight up wrong. I highly doubt that specific map was made by PD.

 

[CinnamonOD]

It’s probably just a decorative prop

I wouldn’t rule it out completely but it might just be a prop to decorate the background

 

[MagpieRacer]

How so? It's straight up wrong. I highly doubt that specific map was made by PD.

That’s my point.. it’s meant to be wrong. Fairly sure they can’t use the exact layout and configuration due to F1 licensing, same thing with Monaco being in other games, always slightly different. Ergo, adds credibility to it being in GT7 because it isn’t just a copy paste of the regular F1 layout.

 

[CinnamonOD]

That’s my point.. it’s meant to be wrong. Fairly sure they can’t use the exact layout and configuration due to F1 licensing, same thing with Monaco being in other games, always slightly different. Ergo, adds credibility to it being in GT7 because it isn’t just a copy paste of the regular F1 layout.

They can use the exact same layout to the IRL layouts

The one thing they can’t use is the name itself, at least I believe that’s the case with the Monaco Street Circuit and Côte d’Azur

 

[Samus]

That’s my point.. it’s meant to be wrong. Fairly sure they can’t use the exact layout and configuration due to F1 licensing, same thing with Monaco being in other games, always slightly different. Ergo, adds credibility to it being in GT7 because it isn’t just a copy paste of the regular F1 layout.

F1 circuits are in plenty of other games including GT, why would the street circuits be any different? F1 holds no rights over them. Monaco wasn't licensed in past games because they didn't do a deal with the owners of the track to use the name, nothing to do with F1.

 

[karelpipa]

Didnt get Melbourne Pits rework?

Also, what is that GT2 race? Cultus, Escudo and Concept Car LM as AI? Is it a event synthesizer race?

 

[Dave A]

F1 circuits are in plenty of other games including GT, why would the street circuits be any different? F1 holds no rights over them. Monaco wasn't licensed in past games because they didn't do a deal with the owners of the track to use the name, nothing to do with F1.

Because if you change it enough (not strictly the layout itself as that's a public road network, but how the pits are arranged, where the grandstands are etc. And don't call it the same track as it's named in F1's legal documents), you don't have to pay to license a street circuit

 

[MagpieRacer]

F1 circuits are in plenty of other games including GT, why would the street circuits be any different? F1 holds no rights over them. Monaco wasn't licensed in past games because they didn't do a deal with the owners of the track to use the name, nothing to do with F1.

Different type of circuits. Albert Park, Monaco, Baku, Singapore, are all exclusively F1 circuits. Using them like for like in anything other than F1 will require not only the circuit licensing but also an element of F1 licensing. Hence Monaco was always Côte d’Azur in GT and other games.

 

[Samus]

Werent type of circuits. Albert Park, Monaco, Baku, Singapore, are all exclusively F1 circuits. Using them like for like in anything other than F1 will require not only the circuit licensing but also an element of F1 licensing. Hence Monaco was always Côte d’Azur in GT and other games.

What is your source on that?

 

[juanffy18]

The toy car models means nothing for sure, the circuit i don't know. Albert Park is not under the F1 license right now?

 

[Dave A]

What is your source on that?

Public streets are public domain, no corporation has a right to license them. They can license what they install in and around the streets such as where the grandstands and pit garages etc. are setup, advertising hoardings and all of that. They can name the layout of the circuit and license that name and they can connect all of that to the circuit, e.g. Monaco is both the name of the place and the circuit used by F1, but companies that use the unlicensed version of the circuit in their games cannot call the circuit Monaco.

 

[Samus]

Public streets are public domain, no corporation has a right to license them. They can license what they install in and around the streets such as where the grandstands and pit garages etc. are setup, advertising hoardings and all of that. They can name the layout of the circuit and license that name and they can connect all of that to the circuit, e.g. Monaco is both the name of the place and the circuit used by F1, but companies that use the unlicensed version of the circuit in their games cannot call the circuit Monaco.

Yes but who says F1 the organisation has anything to do with it? Monaco Circuit is controlled by ACM, Albert Park is controlled by the owners of the park and/or local government AFAIK.

F1, FOM or the FIA have nothing to do with the circuits in that regard I dont think.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Yes but who says F1 the organisation has anything to do with it? Monaco Circuit is controlled by ACM, Albert Park is controlled by the owners of the park and/or local government AFAIK.

F1, FOM or the FIA have nothing to do with the circuits in that regard I dont think.

They do, recreating an F1 track that is only used in motorsport for F1 is a licensing issue. It’s fairly common knowledge and if I could be bothered going back through the archives of the internet then I’d gladly find sources, however I can’t be bothered. Doesn’t really bother me whether you believe it or not to be honest.

And if you want to go hunting then the project cars forums have covered it in detail, as @Dave A has said above, it costs nothing to recreate a city in a game, however using ‘Monaco; Monte Carlo’ in a motorsport context is exclusive to the FIA (or the region as specified by Famine below) and therefore chargeable via license. This will likely be the same with Albert Park which will probably be called Melbourne Circuit or something.

 

[Famine]

Hence Monaco was always Côte d’Azur in GT and other games.

That wasn't the reason. Monaco is a special case, and part of the reason is that this...

Public streets are public domain, no corporation has a right to license them.

... doesn't actually apply.

In essence, while you can take photos in a public place in Monaco you technically can't unless you've specifically applied to do so - two weeks in advance. It's also not technically a permit, but it kind of is - and if you're an actual photographer, there is a permit (one assumes there's a commercial interest angle) you need to apply for.

Oh and if you want to take photos of certain landmarks, you have to apply for a completely different additional permit to the Societe des Bains de Mer. There's a sort of get-out to do with editorial coverage, so stuff I shot in Monaco for GTP is kinda okay (I believe Sony "applied" for the not-a-permit-permit for attendees) - unless I use my editorial privilege to write **** about Monaco, in which case it's not. Or sometimes it's not, as it depends what's in the photos.

If you want to... ooooh, for a rough example, drive around the roads that constitute the F1 circuit while filming yourself... you can just forget a permit altogether, because it's not happening.

Anyway, Monaco itself (SBM is owned by... go on, guess; if you said "the royal family", have a casino chip) basically owns all image rights in Monaco. You know how Monaco's F1 broadcast coverage is always totally different from any others? It's because Automobile Club de Monaco (ACM) is in charge of it, because not even FOM can break into that particular walled garden.

So if you want to have a track that looks like Monaco with Monaco's buildings called Monaco, it's Monaco you need to do a deal with, not F1. GT3's Cote d'Azur was sufficiently different, slightly out of date architecturally, called Cote d'Azur, and set in France because Sony didn't (or didn't want to?) pay Monaco for Monaco.


I can't speak for whether other street circuits, only assembled for F1 and its support races, require the permission of or licensing from F1, but Monaco specifically doesn't.

 

[Samus]

They do, recreating an F1 track that is only used in motorsport for F1 is a licensing issue. It’s fairly common knowledge and if I could be bothered going back through the archives of the internet then I’d gladly find sources, however I can’t be bothered. Doesn’t really bother me whether you believe it or not to be honest.

It's just not something I've heard of. FOM don't own the naming rights of any of the circuits mentioned, the barrier to naming the track Monaco are the Monte Carlo royal family, Albert Park is whatever company ultimately owns the park, and it's not FOM.

Even if nobody else uses it (which isn't true for Monaco or Albert Park) that doesn't give FOM any control. Albert Park pays for the right to host a grand Prix on their circuit, same as any other. It's their circuit, they construct it, FIA certify it.

The changes happening to Albert Park were decided on and carried out by the park/circuit owners, not by FOM.

As far as I'm concerned if someone wants to license the name Albert Park circuit it's down to the local owners of the circuit, nobody else.