Gran Turismo HD Demo at E3

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It was being run on a PS3 dev kit, and a lot of early games are run off dev kits hooked up to PCs be it the first time people saw games for the XB360 or the PS3, so what.
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This is the "so what" -- if all you have is GT4 with a few extras running in HD on a dev-kit-equipped PC, what's the point of even showing up to E3?

I wasn't making a new point, simply reaffirming the pointlessness of it all.
 
Hmmm, did anybody else notice that the wheels in the GTHD shots look alot more 3D and less flat than those in GT4? I could be wrong of course, but thats my first impressions...
 
Nismo_GTR
Their ancient actualy :scared: :crazy:
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Whahahahah! the way he let's us know whahah!

about the tires/wheels looking less flat and more 3d, I agree, it's not very clear, but you can see there's more detail, maybe just because I WANT to see more details but still...:sly:
 
The benchmark graphics is or should be PGR3 on Xbox360. Now that game looks amazing...and GT HD doesn't. It's just a GT4 with more cars on the track.
The benchmark license is or should be PGR3. Its got Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Maserati, etc. and GT HD doesn't. It probably has another 50 identical skylines added. If the company who made outrun 2006 could afford to buy a Ferrari license, why can't PD do that?

The thing is, GT4 has got the realism in driving no doubt its the best simulator, but with some proper graphics and names like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche it would be unbeatable. There would be no reason at all for buying any other racing game.
 
gabibyte
The benchmark graphics is or should be PGR3 on Xbox360. Now that game looks amazing...and GT HD doesn't. It's just a GT4 with more cars on the track.
The benchmark license is or should be PGR3. Its got Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Maserati, etc. and GT HD doesn't. It probably has another 50 identical skylines added. If the company who made outrun 2006 could afford to buy a Ferrari license, why can't PD do that?

The thing is, GT4 has got the realism in driving no doubt its the best simulator, but with some proper graphics and names like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche it would be unbeatable. There would be no reason at all for buying any other racing game.
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in the last paragraph you are comparing GT4 with PGR3, i make this out of your sentence "but with some proper graphics and names like Ferrari" , but eh............ proper graphics? you say GT4 is the best simulator, but with these extras it would be better? wouldn't it be better to wait for GT5 and then compare it with other next gen games like PGR3? because GT4 isn't likely to be released again :sly:

But looking from another perspective, you're right, put the Ferrari's etc in the next GT and it'll be a great improvement...........
 
Isnt anyone else a little uneasy over the fact that PD dosnt even have enough GT5 done to show a demo? I think we're looking at a late 08 release date. Anybody think different?
b
 
Nope, they're probably keeping their cards close to their chest, that's all.
 
Forza 2 is supposedly only months from release, but all they gave us was a rather cool, rather hokey teaser video. But I don't doubt that both games will give us years of racing satisfaction. Some of you are in heaven over PGR3, and the new games should put you in... second heaven. :D
 
Tenacious D
Forza 2 is supposedly only months from release, but all they gave us was a rather cool, rather hokey teaser video. But I don't doubt that both games will give us years of racing satisfaction. Some of you are in heaven over PGR3, and the new games should put you in... second heaven. :D
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That teaser CG video, was just what I can't stand about devs, stop with the damn CG. It's not showing what the game will actually look like, so why waste time?

Again GTHD was just a technical demo, and a test out to see what may or may not work in GT5, E3 is a freaking trade show, it's where you show off wares and get feedback on it. People are beginnning to sound utterly stupid for not understanding that
 
Well said, most people seem to think that E3 is purely about showing the casual gamers what to expect, it's not. There's a large element of that, but there's a large element of this can do that on the technical level that might mean nothing to us, but mean a lot to developers and other third parties.
 
But like I said. Would you rather a trailer or "CG" than nothing at all? We've seen the difference between Metal Gear Solid 4 at E3 last year and this year. The difference between them is that one ran on a different development kit while another uses actual game models. Again, I think of all this as a concept. If you have nothing to show, show something you can at least show fans to get excited about. But if you're just going to be like "new material or none at all," then you're being completely inconsiderate. All this takes time and money and complete. Can you really expect a high-profile game to be complete in only one year and ready to sell? I doubt it. Do you expect PD to just take GT4 and rebadge it as GT5 while waving a magic wand over the game to provide next-gen graphics?

I don't like being an ingrate or ungrateful about all of this. Now THIS is an example of having as little to show as possible: G4 show "X-Play" featured extra information on GT4 while GT4 was in the works. Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb went to Tokyo to go to Polyphony Digital's head quarters. Yet, all they shown was rinky-dink coverage of the latest Subaru Impreza Rally Car around Grand Canyon. Why not some OTHER stuff?

Like I said, better this than nothing. You want to make a game with actual PS3 hardware and such? Work for that company and don't show ANYTHING unless it's actual material.
 
SavageEvil
That teaser CG video, was just what I can't stand about devs, stop with the damn CG. It's not showing what the game will actually look like, so why waste time?

Again GTHD was just a technical demo, and a test out to see what may or may not work in GT5, E3 is a freaking trade show, it's where you show off wares and get feedback on it. People are beginnning to sound utterly stupid for not understanding that
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A developers response to the video was that they did not have time to make an actual in-game video, and that it didn't matter because Forza 2 was still going to"look"somthing like the trailer.
 
I did get the Forza 2 video and what it was saying. But what had me dissing was Dan Greenawalt's silly statement that Polyphony had nothing to show this year. You shouldn't open your mouth if you're guilty of even more. ;)
 
I just hate the "nothing to show, don't show anything" comment. Creating a game takes a lot of work. Having nothing to show basically means that you come to the show... just to spectate. Not show anything, not selling T-shirts, not spreading rumors, and that sort of thing. Some people are just so antagonistic over stuff like this. Someone said it best- Internet people are some of the most impatient and inconsiderate. It almost seems as if people look on PD like they are just wasting time. Is there a certain time limit that game companies have vs. the ones you have with them? Is patience for losers? Do you expect PD to show the same thing they shown this year for E3 2007? They have a lot of work to do. This is franchise deal, so much bigger games take a while to eventually complete. Just ask Final Fantasy games since FF VII. These games took a while, but were well worth the wait. I got nothing to do with my life. I'm not going to Summer School, so I'm just getting ready for the Fall semester at my community college system.

Never will you see me tell PD to hurry the hell up with GT5. You know they are going to take their time whether you like it or not. You can slam me for it, but it's the truth. And if they say it's a Tech Demo, then it's likely not going to be in any store no matter how much you b:censored: and complain. Go ahead, throw a fit. It's not happening. I see this GTHD deal as a precursor to GT5 and give more clues as to what we can expect. If PD's going to give us these hints, then all we can do about it is put the pieces together and have our own ideas about GT5. It doesn't mean it will be exactly what GT5 will be like, but at least we get an idea until PD shows legitimate proof of GT5.

So here's a proposal. Let's not jump to conclusions. And especially let's not assume that past criticisms of GT gamers will only be reinforced in the latest title. So don't assume GT5 is going to have "many Skylines, a Civic, and a prototype wheelchair." Can you all dig that?
 
I understand what you mean John, but the teaser Forza 2 video was just plain stupid. These guys said Forza 2 is supposed to hit by this xmas holiday, but they show some stupid CG video.

Maclaren please, the CG video looks like shiny PS generation CG vids. I hate CG, it may look nice, especially in RPG's, but why do people get hyped about a CG. We've seen countless CG vids since PS and Saturn, enough already. Why is it Nintendo, damn near never shows CG videos of any game, it's always a video of the actual game, or the game itself on display. As big as Microsoft is, the best they can come up with is a freaking CG video?!? For a game due at the end of the year, that's just soo ....can't even think of a word for it. Then again, nerds and people with ADHD just go ga ga over this kind of rubbish.
 
SavageEvil
I understand what you mean John, but the teaser Forza 2 video was just plain stupid. These guys said Forza 2 is supposed to hit by this xmas holiday, but they show some stupid CG video.

Maclaren please, the CG video looks like shiny PS generation CG vids. I hate CG, it may look nice, especially in RPG's, but why do people get hyped about a CG. We've seen countless CG vids since PS and Saturn, enough already. Why is it Nintendo, damn near never shows CG videos of any game, it's always a video of the actual game, or the game itself on display. As big as Microsoft is, the best they can come up with is a freaking CG video?!? For a game due at the end of the year, that's just soo ....can't even think of a word for it. Then again, nerds and people with ADHD just go ga ga over this kind of rubbish.
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Just don't jump on me as if I made that comment. That was just MS' excuse to the CG.
 
We seem to have forgotten about two very important things...Patience and Perfection
 
I was thinking about this just now. I don't think PD meant Commercial Vehicles as in taking a Volvo semi-truck and racing it against a Mazda RX-7 LM Race Car. Maybe they meant Commercial Vehicles in terms of "commercially-available vehicles." So this probably doesn't mean ANYTHING about commercial vehicles such as big-rigs or anything.

(I had my inital post lined up for my Racing Modifications thread, and I posted the wrong post in the wrong thread! I apologize!!!)
 
RACECAR
We seem to have forgotten about two very important things...Patience and Perfection
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do you mean the patience we gave waiting for gt4, or the perfection they delivered?

b

p.s. yes, that is sarcasm
 
Sorry about that Mac, but for the love of all things. Are we that much like cattle that all they need show is a quick CG trailer of non in-game visuals, and are all super excited to play it. Come on that ship has sailed about 10 years ago, show us something concrete, the dev team for Froza two could have come up with a simple tech demo of the in game engine, even if it was just a stationary model, just showing off the car in an environment. PD is probably in the same boat, ran into unforeseen issues, and had to show something worthwhile, who knows, who cares, but they showed something, even if it isn't representative of the final product, you get an idea of something. CG videos are for babies and children who are enamoured with moving colors, I'm a gamer, I'll forego pretty trailers, show me substance. In all honesty, Forza 2 demo has caused me to believe one thing, that the game will not be ready to ship come christmas. Not sure what kind of company they are working for, but time schedules are something that are of the utmost importance, things are set well in advance and E3 was something they knew of the year before, so they had time to put something together if they were going to show something. I'm tired of non in-game vids, they are always a let down.
 
Well, that's your opinion. I bet you're on par for saying that car shows shouldn't have Concept Cars because all people care about are machines you'll actually be able to DRIVE, right? Here's the thing. Okay. Maybe we are "cattle" in that we are easily excited over CG. But like I say, when you have nothing to show for gamers to play, then the next best thing is either a presentation or CG. E3 doesn't require you to have playable material for the world to play. So what if the damn thing isn't playable? At least you know you'll be playing SOME version of the game granted that it won't be a cancelled game (like "Robotech: Crystal Dreams" for the Nintendo 64). Don't give me this junk about how CG is a waste of time. Don't you at least an idea of the games you'll be playing in the future? You may as well say that the HALO "fanboys" would rather play HALO 3 than have some CG. You know, tell HALO fans that HALO 3 is coming and not show something for it. So CG graphics doesn't equal an actual game. But there's a reason for that. The game is simply not finished or not yet ready to be in the hands of gamers yet. And never talk about a waste of time unless you consider "Duke Nukem Forever." Do you know how long this game was conceived? 1997! Now look at the Duke Nukem community. I play "Duke Nukem 3D" almost every day and forgetting that... oh yeah. 3D Realms is working on a title that probably should have been completed long ago. So think about that game before anyone b*tches about games either taking too long to make or don't have a playable demo. Name me one person who has played a demo of DNF. If you don't know for about 5 seconds, then congratulations. You lose.

As much as I love the Gran Turismo franchise, I've just grown sick of this hardcore criticism of the forthcoming "Gran Turismo 5" as if games have to be released in a very narrow timeframe to keep gamers happy. I've also grown sick of all the different criticisms about PD just wasting time. What important things in your life do you have to get to before PD releases the next Gran Turismo? Is there something so critical that you just set an ultimatum for PD and the GT franchise? And let's not forget that this was a tech demo deal. Some of you think this is showing no progress heading into the PS3 and GT5. Well, it is. At least we have a hint of seeing multiple cars on a race track in high-definition graphics. That is, unless you truly believe that GT5 will look too much like GT4 and have very little in the way of evolution. I'm sure amar212 and others know what the hell is going on when PD will show its evolution into GT5 and the PS3. Since this is new hardware, developers are going to learn the limits early and come up with games that are impressive for our time. But as understanding of the hardware is better, games will look and play better than in the previous years of a new console. All we have is Vision Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo HD. We just need to put these two together and simply imagine what the next GT COULD bring instead of bashing on PD simply because they don't have an actual game to show to fans. Show at least SOME sign of optimism. Or maybe that guy was right- some Internet people are the most impatient and arrogant people with issues like this. Maybe an attitude check is needed before badmouthing someone like PD for a game that's still going to be released and still going to be played by millions and billions of people. Reconsider your bashing and think about this further.
 

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