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Digital, do you have any proof from credible sources that the PS3 version is indeed 20GB+? Or proof that the PS3 version will get the episodic content on day 1 on disc? Or proof that the PS3 version will have better framerate, better textures, better lighting, better graphics in general?
No, and while it is true I made a poorly worded one sentence response about fitting +20GB on a 7GB disc,
no where have I ever claimed that it is an unquestionable fact that the PS3 version will get the episodic content on day 1 on disc, or will have better framerate, better textures, better lighting, better graphics in general. So I guess I’m pulling a D-N on your D-N on D-N?
Oh, and no need to act glib and pull a McLaren.
BTW: Thanks Duck for bring that quote about the +20GB to my attention, I edited it to make sure there was no further misunderstanding - although in previous discussions I have made it clear it is only speculation that the PS3 version will be larger than 7GB.
However, considering that GTA: San Andreas for the PS2 already filled a DVD-ROM, and was developed three years ago in standard def, and that R:FOM was 16GB, and that Kojima has stated that they already need more disc space than 22GB for MGS4, it isn’t completely unreasonable to speculate the possibility that the PS3 version of GTA4 will be larger than 7GB.
Now if you could step out of your Devil Advocate X360 Loving outfit for a moment and by contrast, perhaps also address the factual claims McLaren made:
Houser says there won't be any differences between the versions for each console.
Other than from 3rd party anecdotal comments about a very questionable translated German source and although it would be significant news, no one at RockStar, even Houser, has confirmed the story to be true or said the same statement on their website, or press release, or with any of the other interviews they have done with other gaming publications... When has RockStar ever made this statement? As an opinion, I would agree with it, and frankly, I would not be surprised this may end up being the case, but that doesn’t make it a fact.
Sony is getting a GTA IV built to the maximum levels of Microsoft's Xbox360, and not it's own.
When has RockStar ever made this statement? Again, as an opinion I would agree with it as I expect this will be the case, but it doesn’t make it a fact.
Both games will run the same graphics, same missions, same story.
When has RockStar ever made this statement? Both games might, but that doesn’t make it a fact.
PS3 version will not be used to it's full potential.
When has RockStar ever made this statement? Again, as an opinion I would agree as I fully expect the PS3 version not to as well, but that doesn’t make it a fact!
you have zero facts yourself?
As pointed out, I and those participating in this thread know that RockStar is the developer, Take-Two is the distributor, the game will use their RAGE engine, the game will take place in newly designed 'Liberty City' which is based on NYC, and that the game is currently scheduled for release on both the X360 and PS3 on October 16, 2007. There are other facts I am aware of, perhaps none more so than the fact that until the game is released, no one can say for sure exactly how the two editions will compare... but the point is that clearly it is not a fact that I have zero facts.
Oh, and yes, the PS3 is being limited.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=163233
Again, Dan Houser says the X360, in certain ways, will limit what they can do to provide an equalness to both consoles.
Even the link that McLaren provides makes no mention what so ever to Houser saying specifically that the PS3 is being limited or anything about providing “equalness”
(never heard that term before) to both consoles. So not only is this not a fact, but even his own link in that quote doesn't back it up.
In fact, you could jump to all sorts of different conclusions based on those statements, but certainly no actual facts other than the fact that Houser admits that because unlike with the PS3, there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the standard DVD format it creates limitations... but he makes no mention of it creating a limitation for the PS3.
It is also a fact that as
reported in the official UK PlayStation magazine (where RockStar has released much of the information and details about its game developments... not that German magazine), Houser said "both have enormous challenges" and that "both have their own particular pleasures and pains", but once again, he has not said that both will get the exact same version of the game. People can come to their own personal conclusions, but that doesn't make them facts!
The fact is, you came in, and declared, pretty much, that everyone's conclusions were untrue.
Over fifty people have posted in this thread and nearly 500 posts, many sharing various conclusions, please share with me the posts where I "declared, pretty much, that everyone's conclusions were untrue." McLaren must think very highly of himself to equate my having a problem with several, not even all, only several of his own statements when presented as facts and not just an opinion to even suggest that means I have declared everyone's conclusions as being untrue.
Besides, as opinions, I actually would agree with most of what McLaren is saying - my disagreement is that he is portraying much much of these opinions as facts.
In fact, once Viper
clarified that those were only his own personal conclusions and not facts, I had no disagreement with him at all.
Why would a developer need to tell everyone what he told a magazine is true? That's retarded.
Well let's start with the obvious. It was a translated German magazine article without direct quotes made over a month ago. Considering
Houser isn't German, RockStar is not a German company, it would certainly not be the first time an article has been fabricated, the statements if true are incredibly significant and yet surprisingly after a whole month not a single word from RockStar to confirm that Houser in fact did make those statements.
While I wont go down to McLarens level and call anything retarded, I would say that it is an expected and common practice for those participating in interviews where they announce significant details about their products that have never been mentioned before or since to confirm the accuracy of those reporting it... especially considering the singular source from another country.
I'm not making any claims to the accuracy of the article, only that there is a long history of articles that do in fcat publish false information, and to believe otherwise is well... no need to say it, you know already.
Now, I won't have to continuously post articles about what Dan Houser and his team said while you continue to think, "Dan Houser didn't confirm what he said. It's N0t tRu3!"
Except McLaren is only posting references to the same questionable article from a foreign country, as he admits already that there are no other articles where Houser has shared the same information, thus corroborating what the German source claimed – those links all refer to the same German article.
Listen, no where have I ever said, nor will I say that the article isn't genuine, because to say that would also mean I would have to know that as a fact. I don’t. Just as we also do not know for a fact that the article is accurate. Considering all the circumstances, for me it seems extremely suspicious considering the source, the length of time since it came out, and not a single corroborative statement from RockStar to back the story up. The fact that RockStar has yet to publish any press release that says the editions will be equal makes this story all the more less believable.
It may well turn out to be true, or more to the point, both editions may end up being identical, and that German magazine can enjoy claiming to be the ones that first broke the "story".
However, they might not, and as I said earlier, until these games come out, all we can do is speculate and share our own personal opinion. However it is most certainly wrong to make blanket statements of fact as if we know for sure one way or another, because we most certainly do not.
These are all unfortunate examples of how bloody frustrating and even futile it is to try and filter out actual informative facts about this and other topics when certain individuals continually exaggerate and disguise personal opinion as facts. 👎
