Greatest racing cars of all time

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I say the E30 M3 has to be mentioned. Certianly the best Group A touring car of all time. As far as a game changer goes, the E30 changed touring cars. I would also recommend the Porsche RS Spyder LMP2. It completely changed LMP2 as a class, much like the 917s did.
 
How about the Corvette C5-R?

Finally some one says it.

Oh and I'll just leave this one here as well, a 24H of Le Mans winner:

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Finally some one says it.

Oh and I'll just leave this one here as well, a 24H of Le Mans winner:

I'm a bit biased about my C5-R as it's my all time favourite and I have a model personally autographed by Ron Fellows when I met him a few years ago. Oh I agree with the E30 M3 and C6-R as well. How about one of the Panoz LMP cars? They were one of the first to attempt to beat Audi at their own game.
 
vfrmaverick
Contrary to popular belief the 787b was not a fast car in its day, ironically for all the hate for wankels the main advantage it had was reliability and that alone is why it won lemans. They qualified something like 15th

The driver line up sucked too. The only good driver that drove it was Johnny Herbert

Mac K
I'm a bit biased about my C5-R as it's my all time favourite and I have a model personally autographed by Ron Fellows when I met him a few years ago. Oh I agree with the E30 M3 and C6-R as well. How about one of the Panoz LMP cars? They were one of the first to attempt to beat Audi at their own game.

You have a signed model by Ron fellows? I have tons of diecasts signed and not haha. But he C5-R was good, and the Panoz LMP cars were too
 
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nitrorocks
You have a signed model by Ron fellows? I have tons of diecasts signed and not haha. But he C5-R was good, and the Panoz LMP cars were too

Yes I do.
 
The C5-R is a great car, but it really didnt change the way that you race in GT1 or GT2. Surely, the Viper GTS-R changed GT1 more than the C5-R. The Viper came into then-GTS when EVERYONE had 993 GT2s. The Vipers really showed the future of GT1, which was when Corvette and Prodrive came in. Again, great car, but not quite the game-changer that it takes to be consider one of the greatest IMO.
 
lilcat89
The C5-R is a great car, but it really didnt change the way that you race in GT1 or GT2. Surely, the Viper GTS-R changed GT1 more than the C5-R. The Viper came into then-GTS when EVERYONE had 993 GT2s. The Vipers really showed the future of GT1, which was when Corvette and Prodrive came in. Again, great car, but not quite the game-changer that it takes to be consider one of the greatest IMO.

Ah the Viper, I forgot about that one.
 
a good race car in the 2010's easily the Peugeot 908. Im a Audi guy but the R18 has only 1 win but the 908 won all the ILMC races besides Sebring and Le Mans
 
vetteman24
a good race car in the 2010's easily the Peugeot 908. Im a Audi guy but the R18 has only 1 win but the 908 won all the ILMC races besides Sebring and Le Mans

I know I'll get flamed for this, and it's an irrelevant point, but I find the 908 is also better looking than the R18, the R18 is dare I say, ugly.. It doesn't have any "spirit", thats not to say it isn't a great race car, but I just can't find a way to call it sexy like the 908 or the Aston Martin/Lola, which is the Megan Fox of racing cars, it looks amazing, it's just not very good at what it does:p
 
Mac K
I know I'll get flamed for this, and it's an irrelevant point, but I find the 908 is also better looking than the R18, the R18 is dare I say, ugly.. It doesn't have any "spirit", thats not to say it isn't a great race car, but I just can't find a way to call it sexy like the 908 or the Aston Martin/Lola, which is the Megan Fox of racing cars, it looks amazing, it's just not very good at what it does:p

I would dare say the team let the 908 down. The car was always quicker over a lap than corresponding Audi. Especially in 08 and 2010,the team let them down. Wouldn't call the 908 pretty, but better than the R15s.
 
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Stefan Johansson and Bertrand Gachot were good drivers.

Didn't know Johansson drove it. I like him. Gatchot not so much, especially because of the stupid thing he did when he went to prison

Guenons Porsche 908's are pretty sexy
 
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Jahgee1124
I changed it to the Brabham BT46, it raced once & got 15 rules changed. Need I say more.

Both were definitely game changers in my mind.
 
I would put in the Citroen C4 WRC also. It shut out the Focus for like 2 or 3 years in a row.
 
Any one of these cars.


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That was amazing, thanks for sharing. The 60's were deadly but there's something about them ... I'll add the sports cars of the era to the "all time greatest" too. From the American Cobras and GT40 to the European Ferraris and, (at the time) in lower classes, Porsches, Matras, heck even the Triumph Spitfires were awesome !!!

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The r32 skyline during group a racing in japan. Its freakin unbeatable at that time.

it did the same in Australia as well....great car even though people didn't like it beating out the Fords, Holdens and BMW's at the time :lol:
 
it did the same in Australia as well....great car even though people didn't like it beating out the Fords, Holdens and BMW's at the time :lol:
It's worth mentioning though that the Australian R32 Skylines were far superior to the GTRs which raced in Japan. :sly: I recall reading something, a few years ago now, along the lines of the Australian teams competing with GTRs were invited to compete in a JTCC race at Fuji Speedway but (I think) Nissan didn't let them compete as they didn't want the Australians showing them up!
 
You guys mentioning F1 cars and LMP's are crazy. If you want to mention any cars which had an actual impact on car industry it's worth mentioning Audi Quattro and BMW M3.
 
You guys mentioning F1 cars and LMP's are crazy. If you want to mention any cars which had an actual impact on car industry it's worth mentioning Audi Quattro and BMW M3.

Are you aware of the countless examples of racing tech in F1 cars and LeMans Prototypes being trickled down into road cars? It's foolish to think those two series' do not have any impact on the auto industry.
 
You guys mentioning F1 cars and LMP's are crazy. If you want to mention any cars which had an actual impact on car industry it's worth mentioning Audi Quattro and BMW M3.

Pretty much every piece of engine, gearbox, aero-dymamics, brakes, suspension and safety structure technology introduced to F1 has made it to the road in some form. Your post is 100% incorrect.
 
2002 Arrows F1, Because it was the only F1 car I know of that disappeared halfway through a season and then pitched up with a different engine in the back and competed 4 years later (Super Aguri).

I do believe you've missed the point.

I dare say a lot of people's ideas of "greatest racing cars" are to do with the drivers more than the car itself - especially F1 cars.
Not to mention is a car like the 787B or the R18 really "greatest"? As has been well-covered before in this forum not so long ago, the 787B was a pretty lucky winning car and while its circumstances and the machinery are noteworthy, the car itself is hardly one of the "greatest".

I think some members are suffering from "Gran Turismo-itis":
That if PD says it's worthy of inclusion in Gran Turismo, then one suffers from a form of myopia that means "Race Car X" is by default really, really good.

The Mazda 787B (and the entire 7x7 series), while famous for winning Le Mans in 1991, never won any other race, or even challenged for any other victories in any other race it participated in. The next-best record to the 787B was the MXR-01, which hooked up the same team for a 4th place the following year, and that car was essentially the Jaguar XJR-14 with a new paint scheme.

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As for the Porsche 956 and Porsche 962, now those were dominant and awesome sports cars of their times, and completely dominant in IMSA GTP, Interserie, and the WSC (and even called the "Dauer" in 1994).

The Porsche 917 was dominant from 1970 through 1973 in sports car racing and Can-Am. Yes, there's even that weird one-off drive in 1981 by the Kremer Brothers at Le Mans, when international sports-car racing was essentially Formula Libre.

The McLaren MP4/4 essentially was the same darn car in 1989-90, when it was christened the MP4/5 and -5B for the next two years. The engine was different, but there was few changes, except for the addition of the airbox. Same goes for the MP4/2, it ran form 1984 through 1985...few changes, save the banned "winglets" for the 1985 season.

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the Maserati 250F, which ran from 1954-1960 in some form or another, propelling Fangio towards two World Titles (in 1954, not all his wins were with Mercedes-Benz).

Or the Lotus 72, from 1970 to 1975...I could go on.

(I changed it to) the Brabham BT46, it raced once & got 15 rules changed. Need I say more.

And that's where we play a big game of "what if"...how would the fan-car competed, or changed the sport? Or if the Chapparal fan cars had a bigger budget and could compete over a longer period of time? Or if NASCAR wasn't as arbitrarily restrictive (see the Plymouth Superbird/Charger Daytona, et al)? Or the never-allowed-to-race Lotus 88?

And then there's the cases where the rest of the field wasn't nearly as prepared...Can-Am from 1967-1970, when McLaren destroyed the field (losing a mere two races) with their 7.0-liter V8 Chevrolet motors, or the Ferrari Tipo 500, when F1 racing was essentially run with F2 cars?

You guys mentioning F1 cars and LMP's are crazy. If you want to mention any cars which had an actual impact on car industry it's worth mentioning Audi Quattro and BMW M3.

I understand the quattro, for it was a game-changer in a lot of series, to the point where it was outlawed, and the M3, but we're not crazy folks. Well, maybe sometimes...occasionally, they let us run the asylum.

The problem is that many racing series change the rules once one car gets dominant, or the rules are changed swiftly if the car is too radical. And today's top-flight motorsport is either spec-series or it evolves so quickly to render a dominant car nearly useless after a season of competition.
 
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