Group 2 BoP Test by Windfire1010

[Windfire1010]

I wanted to find out if the old Super GT cars are of any good. Here is a BoP test of the six Group 2 cars. Will be using 5 different tracks.

Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center: A test of pure mechanical grip

Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow: High speed cornering ability

Alsace – Village: How well the car handles elevation changes.

Autodrome Nazionale Monza: Straight line performance

Fuji International Speedway: Balanced track

Here is the spreadsheet.

Total Time Leaderboard
1. Motul Autech GT-R '16 6:27.230
2. au Tom's RC F '16 6:28.089
3. Raybrig NSX Concept-GT '16 6:29.106
4. Xanavi Nismo GT-R '08 6:30.252
5. Petronas Tom's SC430 '08 6:32.100
6. Epson NSX '08 6:32.839


Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center
1. Motul Autech GT-R '16
2. au Tom's RC F '16
3. Raybrig NSX Concept-GT '16
4. Xanavi Nismo GT-R '08
5. Petronas Tom's SC430 '08
6. Epson NSX '08

Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow
1. Motul Autech GT-R '16
2. au Tom's RC F '16
3. Raybrig NSX Concept-GT '16
4. Xanavi Nismo GT-R '08
5. Epson NSX '08
6. Petronas Tom's SC430 '08

Alsace – Village
1. Motul Autech GT-R '16
2. au Tom's RC F '16
3. Raybrig NSX Concept-GT '16
4. Xanavi Nismo GT-R '08
5. Petronas Tom's SC430 '08
6. Epson NSX '08

Autodrome Nazionale Monza
1. au Tom's RC F '16
2. Motul Autech GT-R '16
3. Raybrig NSX Concept-GT '16
4. Xanavi Nismo GT-R '08
5. Epson NSX '08
6. Petronas Tom's SC430 '08

Fuji International Speedway
1. Motul Autech GT-R '16
2. Raybrig NSX Concept-GT '16
3. au Tom's RC F '16
4. Xanavi Nismo GT-R '08
5. Petronas Tom's SC430 '08
6. Epson NSX '08

 

[Windfire1010]

Honda Epson NSX '08

This car has two defining traits. It is no questions asked the fastest Group 2 car in a straight line. Unfortunately that come at the cost of horrible oversteer. The car cannot go through the banked corner at Alsace without the rear washing out. I would not recommend to drive this car at any course.

Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center: 40.694
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow: 1:02.589
Alsace – Village: 1:40.893
Autodrome Nazionale Monza: 1:38.192
Fuji International Speedway: 1:30.471
Total time: 6:32.839
Speed Trap: 182 mph

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[DC2_Evan]

I'm looking forward to the results of this. You sir are a saint and a scholar

 

[Windfire1010]

Lexus Petronas Tom's SC430 '08

After the Espon the SC430 is a dream to drive. The car is very stable at low and high speed. There is nothing really wrong with it is all I can say about it.

Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center: 40.575
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow: 1:02.630
Alsace – Village: 1:40.363
Autodrome Nazionale Monza: 1:38.241
Fuji International Speedway: 1:30.291
Total time: 6:32.100
Speed Trap: 180 mph

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[Windfire1010]

Nissan Xanavi Nismo GT-R '08

The Xanavi GT-R seems to have more downforce than the other older Super GT cars. It drives almost exactly like the SC430, it just corners faster.

Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center: 40.513
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow: 1:01.789
Alsace – Village: 1:39.774
Autodrome Nazionale Monza: 1:38.037
Fuji International Speedway: 1:30.088
Total time: 6:30.252
Speed Trap: 179 mph

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[Windfire1010]

Honda Raybrig NSX Concept-GT '16

There is not much bad to say on the handling front with this car. You just have to watch your self on the brakes with the initial turn in so the car won't over rotate.

Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center: 40.511
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow: 1:01.640
Alsace – Village: 1:39.719
Autodrome Nazionale Monza: 1:37.666
Fuji International Speedway: 1:29.570
Total time: 6:29.106
Speed Trap: 179 mph

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[rex1825]

What were real power/weight values of the 08' season?
16' season cars are pretty on spot with their BoP, but TBH increasing power on the 08's doesn't make them competitive, instead those are much worse to drive... overpowered...

 

[Windfire1010]

What were real power/weight values of the 08' season?
16' season cars are pretty on spot with their BoP, but TBH increasing power on the 08's doesn't make them competitive, instead those are much worse to drive... overpowered...

The class was called GT500 because that was what those cars were limited to back then. Now adays that is just a title.

 

[The Cake]

nice work!

 

[TonyJZX]

Yes great thread. Anyone thinking about the gargantuan task of a GT3 test?

Also dont say anything bad about my Lexus RCF. It's been a good car to me even though it took a little while to learn but its all I know as its all I got.

 

[Windfire1010]

Lexus au Tom's RC F '16

This is by far the most idiot proof of the cars so far. It had a very secure rear end that lets you get away with so much more than any other car. Being able to abuse the curbs is the key to the RC F's speed.

Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center: 40.455
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow: 1:01.587
Alsace – Village: 1:39.354
Autodrome Nazionale Monza: 1:37.085
Fuji International Speedway: 1:29.608
Total time: 6:28.089
Speed Trap: 181 mph

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[rex1825]

The class was called GT500 because that was what those cars were limited to back then. Now adays that is just a title.

I know, but they weren't exactly 500hp, also the so called GT300 back in the day was only 300hp, but today they've got the GT3 class basically replacing GT300's... BTW following SuperGT and DTM for quite some time (since early 90')... but I cannot remember what exact values of power and weight they were using...

And I can't wait next year when DTM and SuperGT will have 2 races together...

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Yes great thread. Anyone thinking about the gargantuan task of a GT3 test?

Also dont say anything bad about my Lexus RCF. It's been a good car to me even though it took a little while to learn but its all I know as its all I got.

Tidgney already did one ages ago, won't be accurate with the recent BOP changes though:

@Windfire1010 consider doing Gr.1 and Gr.B as well when you have the time. We've got the popular classes done (Gr.3/4) but these classes deserve some love too.

 

[Windfire1010]

Tidgney already did one ages ago, won't be accurate with the recent BOP changes though:

@Windfire1010 consider doing Gr.1 and Gr.B as well when you have the time. We've got the popular classes done (Gr.3/4) but these classes deserve some love too.

I plan on doing Group 1 next.

 

[Windfire1010]

Nissan Motul Autech GT-R '16

This car drives exactly like the RC F. It seems to have just slightly more front end grip than the Lexus. From what I am feeling if you are not using the GT-R in Group 2 you are doing it wrong.

Autodrome Lago Maggiore – Center: 40.405
Willow Springs International Raceway: Big Willow: 1:01.287
Alsace – Village: 1:39.098
Autodrome Nazionale Monza: 1:37.111
Fuji International Speedway: 1:29.329
Total time: 6:27.230
Speed Trap: 181 mph

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[JayOTT]

I thought the 2016 cars would be a lot closer than that, but the order doesn't shock me. The 2016 Honda came across as overrated whenever I've tried to drive it recently as it was far too tricky to drive for not much reward (I could've sworn it was easier to control in an earlier version). The Lexus used to be the meta's preferred FR car, so there must have been a stealth BoP change somewhere along the line to make the Nissan clearly faster, in much the same way that the LMP1 trio was tweaked in ways that buffed Audi and later Toyota when it used to be dominated by Porsche.