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Hey everyone 
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So, ever since the big BoP change a few patches ago I've personally not been overly happy in terms of the balance of performance so I wanted to see if my thoughts were justified! So what I've decided to do is test each and every group 3 car at 5 different tracks. Originally it was going to be 6 but I'm not consistent enough at Bathurst yet and I believe Interlagos and brands hatch respectively cover Bathurst quite well in terms of undulations. Here's a video explaining how the test will work;
If you don't want to watch the video the 5 tracks and the reasons behind them are;
Here is the current standings of the test;
Lap Times/Lap Count
Lap times are not just the fastest lap that I do in that given session it's actually based on the optimal. This is because I could be there all day going for the fastest lap and that could be a 1 in 10 chance. Instead getting a 1 in 10 chance in each of the sectors on different laps is much easier and should actually give us a more accurate test. Yes occasionally you may blitz a sector on 1 track but that's a factor that will always happen in any testing which is why we've picked 5 tracks to reduce this happening.
I also do a minimum of 10 laps, and may go to 11 or 12 if I feel I'm missing a big bulk of time due to a mistake. You can always go faster on a lap so I'm not after the ultimate pace but to be on fairly quick laps to judge where a car is.
Car Profiles:
Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbG5l8Fs0KOa1Jm5Fz-61fK-WGBbeVXt7
FAQ
Why are you doing car profiles?
There's more to just a BoP test with each car as they each have their own characteristics. A prime example are the 2 cars already completed. Alfa is MR and Aston is FR and drive very differently and perform differently at each track. I figured it would be best to explain what causes some of the issues with each of the cars.
Why not look at fuel?
The problem with looking at fuel which is another area of testing that is probably required is that you have to do the entire car list all in 1 go. If a patch comes in that changes the usage of fuel it effectively ruins the test as we can't actually enter how much fuel a given car should use.
Why not Group 4?
Group 4 might be looked at in the future, group 3 is my favoured car category so I will continue to work on this currently.
What do you hope to accomplish from this?
Personally I like to know which cars are strong and which are weak. I could do this test in private and not tell a soul but I'm a big advocate of fair and clean racing. To me the fairest way to race is to give out this information and let people then choose which car is right for them. I've also no idea how GT Staff do the BoP testing internally and I know for example some companies aren't allowed to BoP cars without the manufacturers authorisation (I'm assuming this is why when the RCZ and 911 were relatively equal the RCZ got a massive nerf and the 911 got a tiny one). You also never know who reads these forums so GT may look at this thread and just keep an eye on it and BoP accordingly to it? Who knows, I just think it's a good way to identify strong/weak cars and hopefully contribute to a better GT Sport experience!
If you feel I'm doing something wrong or would like something adding to this let me know. In addition I do take requests to bump a car up the list and I've had one today so the Lexus will be in fact coming very soon!
,So, ever since the big BoP change a few patches ago I've personally not been overly happy in terms of the balance of performance so I wanted to see if my thoughts were justified! So what I've decided to do is test each and every group 3 car at 5 different tracks. Originally it was going to be 6 but I'm not consistent enough at Bathurst yet and I believe Interlagos and brands hatch respectively cover Bathurst quite well in terms of undulations. Here's a video explaining how the test will work;
If you don't want to watch the video the 5 tracks and the reasons behind them are;
- Brands Hatch GP: Downforce Track, Undulations, Use of Kerbs
- Dragon Trail: Very Kerb heavy, Very fast track, Not hugely technical, 1 Key corner for stability
- Interlagos: Large amount of Undulations, Use of Kerbs, Acceleration up the hill
- Nurburgring GP: Balanced Track, Technical sections, Long Straights, Chicane Stability tested (CURRENTLY REMOVED DUE TO TRACK LIMITS)
- Suzuka: Balanced Track, Technical Sections, Long Straights, No Kerb Abuse, Very trail braking dependant
Here is the current standings of the test;
Spreadsheet: click here
Just to explain the spreadsheet a little;- Risk Indicator: How risky is the car to drive and also the ability to catch it. Higher the number the higher the risk (1-10). It's in my personal opinion that a riskier car should be slightly faster as you will be less consistent in the car.
- Suzuka Top Speed: Currently based at 130R, it's to test acceleration and top end at that point. A car with a higher top end speed may be harder to overtake and therefore if also very quick at tracks may need a penalty.
- Current BoP: This is on due to the fact a patch could arrive at any moment so this is the Balance of Performance at the time of the test. Please note that this is the Circuit BoP and not the Oval BoP which are different!
- Rec. BoP: If we decide to change a BoP on a car after the initial tests this will be our recommended BoP.
- Current: Is literally the current BoP time.
- Change: Is the new time based on a new BoP.
- Total Current Time: Total of all the current times.
- Total Change Time: Total of all the changed BoP times.
Lap Times/Lap Count
Lap times are not just the fastest lap that I do in that given session it's actually based on the optimal. This is because I could be there all day going for the fastest lap and that could be a 1 in 10 chance. Instead getting a 1 in 10 chance in each of the sectors on different laps is much easier and should actually give us a more accurate test. Yes occasionally you may blitz a sector on 1 track but that's a factor that will always happen in any testing which is why we've picked 5 tracks to reduce this happening.
I also do a minimum of 10 laps, and may go to 11 or 12 if I feel I'm missing a big bulk of time due to a mistake. You can always go faster on a lap so I'm not after the ultimate pace but to be on fairly quick laps to judge where a car is.
Car Profiles:
Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbG5l8Fs0KOa1Jm5Fz-61fK-WGBbeVXt7
- Alfa Romeo 4c Gr3
- Aston Martin V12 Vantage Gr3
- Audi R8 LMS Gr3
- BMW Z4 GT3 Gr3
- BMW M6 GT3 Gr3
- Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr3
- Citroen - GT By Citroen Gr3
- Dodge Viper SRT GT3-R
- Ferrari 458 Gr3
- Ford Mustang Gr3
- Honda NSX Gr3
- Hyundai Genesis Gr3
- Jaguar F-Type Gr3
- Lamborghini Huracan GT3 Gr3
- Lexus RC F GT3 Gr3
- Lexus RC F GT3 Prototype Gr3
- Mazda Atenza Gr3
- Merecedes-benz AMG GT3 Gr3
- Mercedes-benz SLS AMG GT3 Gr3
- Mclaren 650s GT3 Gr3
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Final Edition Gr3
- Nissan GT-R Gr3
- Peugeot RCZ Gr3
- Peugeot VGT Gr3
- Porsche 911 RSR Gr3
- Renault R.S.01 GT3 Gr3
- Subaru WRX Gr3
- Toyota FT-1 VGT Gr3
- Toyota GR Supra Racing Concept Gr3
- Volkswagen Beetle Gr3
- Volkswagen GTI VGT Gr3
FAQ
Why are you doing car profiles?
There's more to just a BoP test with each car as they each have their own characteristics. A prime example are the 2 cars already completed. Alfa is MR and Aston is FR and drive very differently and perform differently at each track. I figured it would be best to explain what causes some of the issues with each of the cars.
Why not look at fuel?
The problem with looking at fuel which is another area of testing that is probably required is that you have to do the entire car list all in 1 go. If a patch comes in that changes the usage of fuel it effectively ruins the test as we can't actually enter how much fuel a given car should use.
Why not Group 4?
Group 4 might be looked at in the future, group 3 is my favoured car category so I will continue to work on this currently.
What do you hope to accomplish from this?
Personally I like to know which cars are strong and which are weak. I could do this test in private and not tell a soul but I'm a big advocate of fair and clean racing. To me the fairest way to race is to give out this information and let people then choose which car is right for them. I've also no idea how GT Staff do the BoP testing internally and I know for example some companies aren't allowed to BoP cars without the manufacturers authorisation (I'm assuming this is why when the RCZ and 911 were relatively equal the RCZ got a massive nerf and the 911 got a tiny one). You also never know who reads these forums so GT may look at this thread and just keep an eye on it and BoP accordingly to it? Who knows, I just think it's a good way to identify strong/weak cars and hopefully contribute to a better GT Sport experience!
If you feel I'm doing something wrong or would like something adding to this let me know. In addition I do take requests to bump a car up the list and I've had one today so the Lexus will be in fact coming very soon!
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! Good news though, the Lexus RC F video is here, next car is the Audi R8 LMS. Any requests will come after the Audi!
just hide the row or something. Cheers 👍
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