GT 90 Where art thou?

[-Batman-]

Subject title says it all.

 

[Emohawk]

Seattle enduro, IIRC.

edit: yeah, Seattle 100mi. IA licence required, 591hp limit.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

There's a pretty good thread about the GT90 that was popular 2 or 3 months ago if I remember correctly. It's a car that's either hated or appreciated. The haters seem to think it's impossible to drive and ugly. Personally, I like the GT90's uniqueness. Nothing else like it in GT2!

Some hints: the Seattle Enduro rewards you with either this car or the Ford Escort RC I think, so it may take you a few tries to get. Once you have it, remember it's a pretty heavy car, and use of throttle in corners should be VERY delicate. It's also tempting to lower it all the way and dial the springs & dampers really tight...bad move! This cars likes a soft suspension. Anyways, look around for those GT90 discussions.

 

[MacRoadster]

It's also tempting to lower it all the way and dial the springs & dampers really tight...bad move! This cars likes a soft suspension.

GT90 is probably the car where i use the hardest suspension settings. The default settings for this car come with soft settings, and a rear that seems will never stop jumping...
It seems that i always drive with settings that nobody else drives... don't know if that's good or bad...

I also like the car, and i think it deserves the title of the fastest heavy car in the game! Not many cars can easily make less than 1:20 in Seattle Course...

 

[Parnelli Bone]

That's true, MacR, we both have radically different ways of tuning suspensions, don't we? funny. I remember when I took the GT90 to the test track that I actually raised its suspension and used soft springs, dampers, and stabilizers to get it to stop bouncing so much. I think I had the rear slightly lower than the front, too. Anyways, -Batman-, did you do the enduro yet?

 

[-Batman-]

well at the moment no, my goal is to beat the game end to end, and im pretty sure enduro is gonna be last, i want to have the best car selection for the long races. Although im pretty sure i'll use either the GTC RX-7 or the Tommy Kaira ZZII. Im just about to do the GT champ series, in the Tommy Kaira. You guys like the ZZII?

 

[MacRoadster]

Yeah that's true, MacR, we both have radically different ways of tuning suspensions, don't we? funny.

Yes, would be interesting to compare each other driving styles, not to see wich one is the fastest, but just see how each one handles the cars with such setups

 

[MacRoadster]

You guys like the ZZII?

It's a very nice little car 👍
To be honest, for some reason i haven't raced much with it... but i like the car, and it's good one too.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

well at the moment no, my goal is to beat the game end to end, and im pretty sure enduro is gonna be last, i want to have the best car selection for the long races. Although im pretty sure i'll use either the GTC RX-7 or the Tommy Kaira ZZII. Im just about to do the GT champ series, in the Tommy Kaira. You guys like the ZZII?

Haven't touched it yet, even after over a year of hardcore gaming! It hasn't come up yet for me but man that machine is sweet looking.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yes, would be interesting to compare each other driving styles, not to see wich one is the fastest, but just see how each one handles the cars with such setups

I agree again. I remember I traded setups with some kid in the tuning section months ago and we tried each other's methods on a muscle car I think. He wrote back to me “man, I could hardly drive the way you're setup!”

 

[-Batman-]

haha yeah we should all pick one car, tune it, and then compare to see which setup would work best for us. Are you guys in? if so you can start to list some cars you might want to do it with, i have a killer GTC setup for laguna

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Alrite Batman, let's rock! You choose a car and we'll try it and come back with our personal settings. Then we'll try each other's settings and see what happens!! Um, I don't have any JGTC cars tho. I'm currently racing a Mitsubishi 3000GT LM. Do you have that one? I'm gonna tackle the Rome Enduro tomorrow in this car which I recently won.

Another car I recently ran was the '99 Toyota Celica SS. This one's low-powered. I did the Apricot Enduro with it and only had 240 something horsepower.

 

[-Batman-]

im not sure if i have LM. If you give me somewhere to post a savegame i can give you one with the more common cars in the game? i may or may not have the LM, ill check later and post back. if i dont ill list another car

 

[MacRoadster]

Ok, you two choose the car, anything is fine to me

Just don't choose a rally track... i really don't like rallies in GT2 👎

Batman, you can post savegames here on forum as an attachment in your post, no need to search for an host
Also, i think Parnelli plays on PSX, not on ePSXe so he might not be able to use/post savegames...

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

GT90 is probably the car where i use the hardest suspension settings. The default settings for this car come with soft settings, and a rear that seems will never stop jumping...
It seems that i always drive with settings that nobody else drives... don't know if that's good or bad...

I also like the car, and i think it deserves the title of the fastest heavy car in the game! Not many cars can easily make less than 1:20 in Seattle Course...

Hard balanced then it can take a lower , get the front to bite and the rear to stabilize itself with camber . Then that fifth means business and the soundon the Lift!
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[-Batman-]

alright good stuff, i'd really lieke to see what a 99 SVT Cobra can do, im a mustang person. I own a 97 gt convertible so i have a thing for those cars

 

[Parnelli Bone]

alright good stuff, i'd really lieke to see what a 99 SVT Cobra can do, im a mustang person. I own a 97 gt convertible so i have a thing for those cars

Alrite, you're on! I got Mustangs, and I'll edit this post later...let's say we're at Seattle and Laguna, okay? I'll post my settings and you can try 'em. I'm gonna use max power, too.

 

[MacRoadster]

Here's my setup for the 99' SVT Cobra at Seattle:

Springs: 8.0/5.1
Height: 108/108
Dampers: (All at 8)
Camber: 0.3/0.2
Toe: 0.00/0.00
Stabilizers: 4/4
Brakes: 20/14

Gears:
1- 2.940
2- 1.970
3- 1.481
4- 1.180
5- 0.954
Final- 3.285
Auto- 16

Downforce: 0.47/0.60
LSD: 56/56/56

I tried it at Laguna and it works fine there too, just the gearbox final ratio could be increased a bit to have shorter gears, but everything else is fine.

 

[-Batman-]

alright, you guys are quick. Just like to know, [R] or not for those setups?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

It looks like we're going with [R] bodies, -Batman-.

Wow, look at Mac's damper settings! And the limited slip..woooo. I was initially thinking the 'stang would have a rough time over those bumps at Seattle, and when I hit some of the rumble strips, I did get off-balance a couple times, but other than this I was fine. The front end is very nervous (small steering input causes a bit of darting) but this is offset by what's going on in the back of the car: I DID find those LSD numbers were pretty extreme! If I drifted around the track, I actually got better cornering...I could get almost completely sideways in those double hairpins and not worry about a spin even if I hammered the gas. On the other hand, If I went for grip, I found myself having to wait for the LSD device to stop its magic, and my cornering seemed slower.

Here's my setup for Seattle front to rear:

Soft / Medium slicks

Springs: 6.3 / 5.6
Ground Clearance: 135 mm/139 mm
B dampers: 3/5
R dampers: 4/3
Camber: 3.5° / 1.7°
Toe: -.10 / 0.0
Stabilizer: 2/4
Brakes: 14/18

Gears: Auto Setup 13
1st: 3.141
2nd: 2.273
3rd: 1.533
4th: 1.208
5th: .975
Final: 3.410

LSD: 12/23/9 No traction controls
Downforce: .47 / .66
Triple Clutch, Racing Fly, Carbon Shaft

And here's my Laguna settings;

Tires, drivetrain parts all the same.

Springs; 12.1 / 9.3
G. Clernce: 112 /119
B. Dampers: 4/6
R. Dampers 3/3
Camber: 2.6° / 1.1°
Toe: -.10 / 0.0
Stabilizer: 3/6
Brakes: 13/19

Gears: Auto setup 11
1st: 3.118
2nd: 2.421
3rd: 1.644
4th: 1.229
5th: 1.039
Final: stock

Downforce: .39 / .55

LSD: 21/15/9

I found Mac's settings here fine, but again I found myself having to wait for the LSD to stop working so I could turn. I think I like to go for a mixture of grip but employ light drifting here when I have to.

From a purely numerical sense, Mac's setup is probly quicker on the tracks, but I think mine is more fun!

 

[MacRoadster]

I just tried Parnelli's setups at both tracks and... wow big difference between us, no doubt!

On Seattle the car had a slow response, which forced me to antecipate my moves, specially at the chincanes. As you noticed i like a more "nervous" feeling.
Then all that brake power at the rear was another problem... i had to be carefull and not trail brake as much as i do with my setup, or i would loose the rear, specially at the strongest braking points.
Another thing was the gears, from 2nd to 3rd and from 3rd to 4th i think it looses too many rpms/power, i prefer closer ratios. However the 5th was a bit shorter than mine and that was good.

As a conclusion i think your setup is better for a more "relaxed" driving. Maybe to make endurances without making too many mistakes, even if i would take off all that brake power at the rear...

At Laguna things went better. The harder and lower suspension gave it a more "alive" feeling without getting "nervous" like mine. The gearbox still had same problem, loosing alot of rpms from 2nd to 3rd and from 3rd to 4th, but again the 5th was good.
The brakes were the same, too much rear power for my tastes.
At the faster corners i also felt a need for a bit more downforce at the front, to help cornering without that small understeer.

In the end, at both tracks i had to learn to drive your setups in a more "relaxed" way. I think your setup is easier for someone to drive without making mistakes, but if you make them it's harder to fix it.
I wasn't able to be as fast with your setup as with mine (about 2 secs difference), but might be because i'm not used to it...

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Ha ha ha haaa evil diabolical laughter That is funny!

I like having my gears set up weird. The reason is that I want some of them to be tall enough to make it into certain corners without needing to shift up, know what I mean? I went for a shorter 5th because I noticed the Mustang's power maxes @ 6,700 rpms and my 5th will just about hit this down the end of Seattle's & Laguna's back stretches. All the front-end camber I tend to use also will help the car lean into corners, but cuts back on braking efficiency; hence your need to anticipate braking. And I think I tend to use small amounts of feint motion as I race thru the chicanes to create better angles. At this point, it's such a habit; I tend to like flicking the Mustang to get it to corner thru those chicanes. Anyways, this was a cool experiment...still waiting to hear back from -Batman- to see if he wants to participate. I'm also gonna email some folks to see if they want to join in? This was fun!

MacR are you up for something more jumpy?? Like a TVR Griffith? I'm thinking somewhere European like Grindelwäld this time.

 

[-Batman-]

Spring Rate - 8.0F / 6.5R
Height - 115F / 118R
Damper - 6/7
Rebounds - 4/6
Camber - 2.2F / 2.8 R
Toe - -0.05 / 0.10
Stabilizer - 3 / 4

Brakes 21/18

Auto 17

1 - 3.254
2 - 2.993
3 - 1.576
4 - 1.107
5 - 0.836
F - 3.754

Aerodynamics - .41 / .63

LSD initial - 23
accel - 36
decel - 32


My setup is really unique, it takes a while to get used to. It has a little play, so watch out around turn one and the second last! With this setup i posted ( out of 5 laps ) a best of 1:29.947 on Seatle Full. Have fun



Parnelli, your setup was a hell of alot of fun! I liked how it slid, very fun to drive. I have to say your gearing is much different from mine, i could learn alot from you. I posted 1:30.455 as a best out of 5. Great car, with some more time i could bring that down, but i wanted to see straight up without much training in that car what i could run.

Mac, Your setup was awesomely fast. Your gears were short like you said, good stuff, especially with that LSD. I really needed that short second and third to pull out of those corners cause sliding was no question! I could learn alot from you too! I posted out of 5, a 1:27.344 as a fastest. You got the best setup, but its so stiff, not to my liking. Thanks for the fun guys!

Who wants to chose next?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

How about the TVR Griffith 500 @ Grindelwäld?

-Batman- & MacR, what kinda tires are you using with your setups? I just tried all soft tires when I tried your setups.

Well, I just got out of the ‘Batmobile’ lol. I really dig your tranny gears. 1st & 2nd were way shorter than either of ours...in fact, it took me a few minutes trying to figure out how you got them so short with the slider on Auto 17. I had to back it up to 13, and then I STILL couldn't get a 2.993 2nd gear!! Anyways, definitely your setup has the most ‘life’*in those lower 2 gears. Lots of wheelspin from the word go...whereas with Mac's & my setup, I only got wheelspin up around 4000 rpms or so. I used 3rd gear alot at Seattle, allowing mid-range torque to pull me out of corners.

And that rear camber of 2.8° coupled with +toe! Anyone for some J.Lo booty shakin'? ha haa. I've experimented with rear camber in FR Skylines and Silvias cuz they tend to be so solid & hard to break, but never in a Mustang! That was definitely challenging...I wound up using a bit of countersteer at times to keeep steady.

Anyways... TVR Griffith 500 @ Grindelwäld. I'll post my stuff later!

 

[MacRoadster]

And i think i tend to use small amounts of feint motion as i race thru the chicanes to create better angles.

Yeah i also noticed that doing that with your setup worked well.

You got the best setup, but its so stiff, not to my liking.

Yes, i like them that way. I like "nervous"/ "agile" cars
That's why i prefer light sport cars to heavy cars, like muscle cars. Because they "born" that way, while heavy cars most times not even with a tweaked setup is possible to have them handling like that.

How about the TVR Griffith 500 @ Grindelwäld?

-Batman- & MacR, what kinda tires are you using with your setups? I just tried all soft tires when i tried your setups.

I use supersoft tires.
Griffith 500? Sure no problem, i like the Griffith
I just don't know if i still have time for it... because soon i'll be leaving on holidays for a few days... and still some things to do here...
Anyway next week i'll catch up with you guys, so keep going with this

About the times...
In Seattle i did 1:26:0 with my setup and 1:28:1 with Parnelli's setup. Don't remember Laguna times...
Will try Batman's setup tomorrow and post what i think of it (it's a bit late here now.), and if i have time will check the Griffith too.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Hey Korndawg? SpeedWagon? TMM? Pupik? You guys in?

I just got back from Switzerland. Met some hot chick named Olga, drank plenty of Grölsch, and got behind the wheel of a green Griffith with Bridgestone wheels on it! woo hoo.

Tires: Super soft / Soft
Springs: stock 5.8/4.7
Height: 116/119 mm
B. Dampers: 2/3
R. Dampers: 1/3
Camber: 2.8°/1.2°
Toe: 0.0/-.10
Stabilizes: 2/3

Brakes: 18/11
Downforce: .42/.64
LSD: 28/32/12 No traction controls

Gearbox: Super close (semi-racing)
Drivetrain: all stock

I really had a problem with understeer climbing the hill and learned to live with it. Coulda used less front camber, but to do so I would get more steering input and have a tougher time cornering later on w/o spinning. I used all stock drivetrain parts because I noticed that with a better clutch, flywheel, etc. there was tons of wheelspin! Remember, we're talking about 572 horses in a 2,000 pound car!! I managed to be able to corner just right thru the esses and get a BEAUTIFUL slide thru the hairpin, giving the Griffith half throttle in the process. Yummy stuff, man! This car has such a phat powerband..about 4,000 thru 8,200 rpms, that I could rely on 3rd gear a lot in corners and didn't need full-modifiable gears. My best time was 1:15.258 with a top speed of 172.21 mph.

 

[-Batman-]

ill give that a shot, i have a great car in mind for when its my turn to pick again. I was thinking of creating a thread with the specific name, because people who see GT 90 ect might not want to read. Up to you guys

 

[MacRoadster]

Just tried Batman's setup.
The gearbox was a pain to setup and to use... like Parnelli said the first gears are too short, causing alot of wheelspin.
I think your setup is halfway between mine and Parnelli, not so "nervous" as mine but not so "relaxed" as his. It just has too much camber for my tastes, but it's a nice setup (forgetting the gearbox ). I also did 1:28:1 with it and i'm sure could do a bit better with another gearbox.

In Laguna all that camber was making it easy to get the car into corners, but the lack of front downforce was making it harder to get out of them.

Yeah this thread has gone very "off-topic"...

 

[-Batman-]

yes it has gone off topic...guys im really really sorry to admit this guys but i made a typo. It seems my second gear should have been 2.193 not 993. Sorrrrrrry! It should look something like this with 5 following the pattern. I know i have a very unique gearbox, but i use it only for courses like Laguna and Seattle, where turn one, in my case, i really like to slide my rear end out around, for my style it really helps.

 

[MacRoadster]

Here's my setup for the Griffith 500 at Grindelwald (all upgrades and supersoft tires, no TCSC or ASCC):

Springs: 9.0/4.0
Height: 100/96
Damper Bound: 5/7
Damper Rebound: 3/5
Camber: 0.3/0.0
Toe: 0.00/0.00
Stabilizers: 2/7
Brakes: 22/10

Gears:
1- 3.085
2- 2.035
3- 1.563
4- 1.192
5- 0.944
Final- 3.320
Auto- 14

Downforce: 0.38/0.76
LSD: 56/30/30

This car is great (one of my favorites ). It's very fun to drive, but requires a good amount of skill to use all of it's potential.
My best time was 1:08:923 with a top speed of 285Km/h.

Going to try Parnelli's setup

EDIT:
Just tried it.
Yeah your setup is good to slide through corners
Again my setup is more "nervous" than yours, but this time i didn't had much problems controlling your Griffith, it's easy to drive. But i'm sure it would be faster with a full upgraded drivetrain.
I made a best lap of 1:13:012 with a top speed of 277Km/h. Maybe i could do better, but since the car with your setup has a slower response, it's a bit harder for me to do better at the chincanes.