GT Academy
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- neema_t
Well I've tried this, got a 1.26.8 I think which initially put me in 315th, but when I checked two days ago I was bumped down to around 500th! Needless to say, as awesome as it would be to race in an actual real life race in a race-prepared Nissan (can't remember if it was the 350Z or GTR) for free, I just don't have the motivation to get to the top... Probably not the skills either.
So, good luck everyone with it all and whoever goes through has to keep us updated with what happens next!
I would sing Eye of the Tiger to motivate you all, but you probably wouldn't hear me over these internets.
So, good luck everyone with it all and whoever goes through has to keep us updated with what happens next!
I would sing Eye of the Tiger to motivate you all, but you probably wouldn't hear me over these internets.
T1 is most likely to be perfect (with DFP). 
Timppaq
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Not only with DFP, T1 of the 1st with a G25 is a 34,006.
I think i'm losing nothing on T1 0,2 on T2 and another 0,1 on T3 against the G25 the rest is just the better drivingskill.
That means there must be room for improvement with the G25 lap you compared yourself to.
Only driven the DFP (to death) so can't say anything more about G25 (yet). It´s obvious that during gear changes you gain with G25...You did change gears during the lap, didn't you?
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- Zocker16_GTRP
You have a better acceleration from gear nr 2 to 3 if you use the clutch (i think that's the name for the 3rd pedal on the G25 if not please correct me) đź’ˇ
I compared my time with place 1 in Germany a 1.20,399 from the 0,5 sec i think i'm losing 0,3 while changeing the gears.
I compared my time with place 1 in Germany a 1.20,399 from the 0,5 sec i think i'm losing 0,3 while changeing the gears.
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- GTP_Profi
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Hi ProblemSolver,
I really wish you would manage to do a time below 1.22.xxx and prove me wrong. Because then I would know that its up to me and my personell capabilities to do the same.
But I fear I am right and we "pad-players" will never go to Dubai...
Im accepting the fact already altough I had such an initial ambition to get to the next stage at least.
Edit: Perhaps PD puts in an Information of which controller everyone uses in the full game, that would be nice.
I really wish you would manage to do a time below 1.22.xxx and prove me wrong. Because then I would know that its up to me and my personell capabilities to do the same.
But I fear I am right and we "pad-players" will never go to Dubai...
Im accepting the fact already altough I had such an initial ambition to get to the next stage at least.
Edit: Perhaps PD puts in an Information of which controller everyone uses in the full game, that would be nice.
Timppaq,buy that G25 and learn THE CLUTCH,and then we take a spin at Suzuka 600?There you have to know how to use your hands and feet to get a good time,not so in Eiger,where you use just 2nd and 3rd gear.To me this Academy race dont represent the best simulation this game can offer(too icy).
Well,im just slow.
Well,im just slow.
Profi, I've been reading your opinion on the pad issue and I would agree with you if the only goal of this competition was to find the best player of GT5P. However, the goal of GT Academy is to find the 2 players with the best chances of performing well in Dubai. So, it's natural that those who play more realistically have an advantage. You are certainly not expecting to compete in Dubai or to drive a GT-R at Silverstone with a pad! And if you were driving a Fairlady Z in real life, you would use a clutch.
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Hi,
you are right, the wheel driver is closer to reality and surely will have better chances when it comes to driving the real car.
But I think most of those who will make it into the top 20 (of each country) in the end would be surprised if theyd make it to stage 3 and suddenly notice that they already signed a contract (by registration mind you) to drive a real race-car.
I would not be surprised if some of them suddenly cancel their intensions and leave their seat to any other player who has the courage to do the real race.
For me it is so that I was already a race driver in earlier years so I know what I am doing when trying to reach the next stage. I know for sure I would go to Silverstone and also to Dubai trying to get the most out of the real Nissans.
I also know that its dangerous and I can be hurt or injured by doing this.
Thats why I wanted to be competitive in the game first...
Timppaq
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I know.. lol. Just making it more personal..
Timppaq,buy that G25 and learn THE CLUTCH,and then we take a spin at Suzuka 600?There you have to know how to use your hands and feet to get a good time,not so in Eiger,where you use just 2nd and 3rd gear.To me this Academy race dont represent the best simulation this game can offer(too icy).
Well,im just slow.
Coming this week.
..next week my summer holiday starts (5 weeks ), and my GF has a summer job, so I can imagine what will happen.. đź‘Ť
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- GTP_PrudentBear
Had my first go using the clutch last night. I wasn't very impressed with the lightweight gear lever (barely any feel or resistance) and the on/off switch clutch. Although it is more natural and akin to driving a real car rather than a go kart, it feels a bit detatched and I didn't enjoy it as much to be honest.
Using paddle shifters and left foot to brake I can consistently lap 1:21.4 - 1:21.5 with slightly quicker laps every so often. I did about 10 laps using the clutch and right foot to brake which were very untidy in comparison and they were generally in the range 1:21.6 - 1:21.9. The upshifts are definitely quicker and purely from 'feel' (what the lap time should be to the nearest tenth by how the lap has gone) I estimated the handful of quicker upshifts over a lap are probably worth about 3 tenths. As an example, my best lap with the clutch was a 1:21.5xx but it was messy and felt like it would have been a 1:21.8xx had I been using the paddles. As a result I'm more impressed with Sphinx's time with the DFP than Andy's with the clutch although both are cracking laps. đź‘Ť
The way I had mounted the lever wasn't very good and it was moving around a lot while driving. I'm in two minds about whether to have another go when I get it sorted properly but I do admit it feels to me a bit like like cheating. I don't have a problem using a wheel over a pad but the clutch is not available to many and offers a completely different advantage which can only be accessed by shelling out ÂŁ150 for a G25.
I'm going to have a crack at getting second place back using the paddles next time I get a chance to play.
Using paddle shifters and left foot to brake I can consistently lap 1:21.4 - 1:21.5 with slightly quicker laps every so often. I did about 10 laps using the clutch and right foot to brake which were very untidy in comparison and they were generally in the range 1:21.6 - 1:21.9. The upshifts are definitely quicker and purely from 'feel' (what the lap time should be to the nearest tenth by how the lap has gone) I estimated the handful of quicker upshifts over a lap are probably worth about 3 tenths. As an example, my best lap with the clutch was a 1:21.5xx but it was messy and felt like it would have been a 1:21.8xx had I been using the paddles. As a result I'm more impressed with Sphinx's time with the DFP than Andy's with the clutch although both are cracking laps. đź‘Ť
The way I had mounted the lever wasn't very good and it was moving around a lot while driving. I'm in two minds about whether to have another go when I get it sorted properly but I do admit it feels to me a bit like like cheating. I don't have a problem using a wheel over a pad but the clutch is not available to many and offers a completely different advantage which can only be accessed by shelling out ÂŁ150 for a G25.
I'm going to have a crack at getting second place back using the paddles next time I get a chance to play.
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- GTP_Profi
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Had my first go using the clutch last night.
The way I had mounted the lever wasn't very good and it was moving around a lot while driving. I'm in two minds about whether to have another go when I get it sorted properly but I do admit it feels to me a bit like like cheating. I don't have a problem using a wheel over a pad but the clutch is not available to many and offers a completely different advantage which can only be accessed by shelling out ÂŁ150 for a G25.
Thats exactly what I was talking about !
And I promise you: Have a little more practice and you shave off some more tenth with your new clutch...
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- GTP_PrudentBear
I agree I could shave more time off but that would be down to other aspects of my driving during the lap, not the clutch. The advantage gained from using the clutch is surely based around the following function:
Total time saved over a lap = (time saved from one upshift) x (number of upshifts required over a lap)
This is obviously simplified as it doesn't take into account that a quicker shift in one part of the track will save more time than a quicker shift in another part due to length of following straight etc. but this isn't a maths lecture...
For this particular car / track I estimate the advantage gained solely due to the use of the clutch to be about 0.3 seconds. It will obviously vary greatly when using other cars on other tracks.
Having said that, I do feel that 0.3 seconds is potentially enough to cover the entire top 20 come the end of the competition so this may be seen as an oversight by the competition organisers.
Sphinx
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Yes, the G25 has an advantage. If there was no G25, then we would all be hailing that the DFP has the advantage, and If there was no DFP, then the DF would be the flavour of the day.
I've actually had this same advantgae discussion even before the release of GT4, when a method was found to simulate a clutch in GT4P by applying the reverse button to change gear instead of the normal buttons. In fact, it's no different than what the G25 is doing today. The irony is that currently the GTRP are using this G25 advantage with great success, and yet outlawed its use within their own Time Trial database by claiming that it was a "bug" in the game and therefore illegal to use.
That should ruffle a few feathers within GTRP.
I've actually had this same advantgae discussion even before the release of GT4, when a method was found to simulate a clutch in GT4P by applying the reverse button to change gear instead of the normal buttons. In fact, it's no different than what the G25 is doing today. The irony is that currently the GTRP are using this G25 advantage with great success, and yet outlawed its use within their own Time Trial database by claiming that it was a "bug" in the game and therefore illegal to use.
That should ruffle a few feathers within GTRP.
after about 200 hundred laps i finally managed a 1'15.950 with G25 (clutch enabled). my ankles are hurting right now 
btw, i'm from Asia so I am not able to log into the GT Academy Time Trial under online. are the tyres criteria the same in both Arcade and GT Academy Time Trial (S2-S2)?
btw, i'm from Asia so I am not able to log into the GT Academy Time Trial under online. are the tyres criteria the same in both Arcade and GT Academy Time Trial (S2-S2)?
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Hi profi, I know what your saying about the clutch, it is a slight advantage, and if 20 clutch using G25 users compete with 20 equally matched DFP users, most G25 users will go through. At the moment PrudentBear and Sphinx are near the top with paddle shift and zocker has a 1'20 with the DFP.
I can't see any difference in up-shifting between using paddles or pressing the X button on your sixaxis, I've checked a few times and all paddle shifters, sixaxis, H-gate shifting without pressing clutch down is autoclutch ( tiny tiny benefit of selecting down a gear quicker, maybe), dfp users are in the SAME boat with auto clutch and the real time gained at the moment is more control on N1 tyres with a good wheel. It is a shame for pad users, but I'm sure you'll need to use a wheel in the next stage.
So it could be an issue but I think your focusing too much on the top German time and the clutch, and you need to buy a wheel and at least do paddle shift (which for me is the same as button pressing on your sixaxis) like the majority in the competition, and sell it when your done. I tried buying a used wheel but was shocked at how they hold their price used and sell quick so I bought a new one instead.
I can't see any difference in up-shifting between using paddles or pressing the X button on your sixaxis, I've checked a few times and all paddle shifters, sixaxis, H-gate shifting without pressing clutch down is autoclutch ( tiny tiny benefit of selecting down a gear quicker, maybe), dfp users are in the SAME boat with auto clutch and the real time gained at the moment is more control on N1 tyres with a good wheel. It is a shame for pad users, but I'm sure you'll need to use a wheel in the next stage.
So it could be an issue but I think your focusing too much on the top German time and the clutch, and you need to buy a wheel and at least do paddle shift (which for me is the same as button pressing on your sixaxis) like the majority in the competition, and sell it when your done. I tried buying a used wheel but was shocked at how they hold their price used and sell quick so I bought a new one instead.
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Hi folks,
just wanted to say hi. My G25 is unfortunately broken as Logitech told me to do so. My shifter was broken at this moment. They wanted to send me a new one when I destroy my current one. (bad english I know)
Today, after 2 months, I bought a new one and will send them the bill. Tired of waiting.
Back to the topic.
@Jerry: The reverse gear trick was a bug indeed. But using the clutch isn't a bug, as it is part of a car. When you shift you usually use the clutch. As most of the wheels do not give you the opportunity to drive with a clutch, the G25 does.
This is currently a bad situation, as the G25 is quite expensive and not everyone can afford this wheel which is indeed a disadvantage. Nevertheless I think with race cars there won't be a too big difference. With streetcars it's a another story as we have seen in this comp.
just wanted to say hi. My G25 is unfortunately broken as Logitech told me to do so. My shifter was broken at this moment. They wanted to send me a new one when I destroy my current one. (bad english I know
)Today, after 2 months, I bought a new one and will send them the bill. Tired of waiting.
Back to the topic.
@Jerry: The reverse gear trick was a bug indeed. But using the clutch isn't a bug, as it is part of a car. When you shift you usually use the clutch. As most of the wheels do not give you the opportunity to drive with a clutch, the G25 does.
This is currently a bad situation, as the G25 is quite expensive and not everyone can afford this wheel which is indeed a disadvantage. Nevertheless I think with race cars there won't be a too big difference. With streetcars it's a another story as we have seen in this comp.
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after about 200 hundred laps i finally managed a 1'15.950 with G25 (clutch enabled). my ankles are hurting right now
btw, i'm from Asia so I am not able to log into the GT Academy Time Trial under online. are the tyres criteria the same in both Arcade and GT Academy Time Trial (S2-S2)?
You could try selecting an arcade race at Eiger with Pro physics and N1 Tyres and have a play turning the AI down. I don't know if rubberbanding will kick in on these offline races if you wait for the pack go round and create a clear path for clean laps, or even slight slipstream could take affect in you get close to the other cars. Some members here would have to check they can replicate their Academy laps and see if there is any difference in handling and grip and such.
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