GT or GT40

[McLaren]

I heard Jeremy Clarkson call the Ferrari Enzo the F60, and he's a well-respected car enthusiast.

I guess that means he's absolutely correct?

The Ford GT40 may have started out as the Ford GT (BTW, that brochure was issued during the finishing of chassis GT 102), but it's clear to anyone the car is the Ford GT40. Calling it the GT would imply the 2005 model is the GT Mk. VI. But Ford does not recognize it as such. Why does Ford not call that other spin off of the GT40 (GT35/25/whatever) a GT as well?
And thank you for decided to answer my question as to why the source you quoted as proof also contradicted what you just said.

Taking your attitude though, it is and always will be the GT40. If you don't like it, that's your problem.

There is no reason given for Ford to change the chassis codes after 11 prototypes from GT to GT 40 P other than to show that the car is recognized by Ford itself, as the Ford GT40.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I heard Jeremy Clarkson call the Ferrari Enzo the F60, and he's a well-respected car enthusiast.

its called the ENZO Ferrari....

and they did there was the gt70 and gt90

 

[McLaren]

P.S.
Look on the side of this genuine GT40.

 

[McLaren]

its called the ENZO Ferrari....

and they did there was the gt70 and gt90

Then full name is Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. Calling it the Ferrari Enzo is still acceptable. Thanks for not reading the 2nd part either. And that's not the point which was someone with car knowledge and well-respected got the name incorrect. Everything you hear on TV does not mean truth, esp. about automobiles.

As for the GT70 and GT90, the GT70 got its name for its year, so why is it so hard to accept Ford decided to call the GT prototypes the GT40 for its height?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

P.S.
Look on the side of this genuine GT40.

so why isnt it on the side of these,these are all orginals and have ether FORD or FORD GT on the side.

 

[McLaren]

Perhaps because of Livery choice?
Only 1 of your pictures has GT on the side. The rest either have Ford or nothing.

Can you even prove those are all genuine?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Perhaps because of Livery choice?
Only 1 of your pictures has GT on the side. The rest either have Ford or nothing.

Can you even prove those are all genuine?

no 2 of them do the dark blue one which is for sale at 2.5 million usd and the silver one which was at goodwood,and how can you prove yours is genuine.

 

[McLaren]

no 2 of them do the dark blue one which is for sale at 2.5 million usd and the silver one which was at goodwood,and how can you prove yours is genuine.

That doesn't mean anything. Notice how the GT on the blue one isn't even in the same pattern as the other.

The one I posted was taken at Geneva. The show doesn't use replicas of the 1966 race car, and unlike you, I'm not ripping the pictures from everything I see online. The Henry Ford Museum even recognizes its GT40 as a GT40.

Now, how can you prove all of those are genuine GT40s?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

That doesn't mean anything. Notice how the GT on the blue one isn't even in the same pattern as the other.

The one I posted was taken at Geneva. The show doesn't use replicas of the 1966 race car, and unlike you, I'm not ripping the pictures from everything I see online. The Henry Ford Museum even recognizes its GT40 as a GT40.

Now, how can you prove all of those are genuine GT40s?

so your saying im lieing cause i found pictures of real GT's saying GT where as you find ONE that says gt40 so i must be lieing or they are fake? right then

 

[McLaren]

so your saying im lieing cause i found pictures of real GT's saying GT where as you find ONE that says gt40 so i must be lieing or they are fake? right then

No, I didn't say you were lieing. However, even replicas paint GT40/GT on the side, and I can actually produce the chassis code for mine which is told to be chassis GT40P/1056 after restoration.

BTW, your brochure.

2-2.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

No, I didn't say you were lieing. However, even replicas paint GT40/GT on the side, and I can actually produce the chassis code for mine which is told to be chassis GT40P/1056 after restoration.

you missed that part out so obviously it was added after it was restored.similar story in the model thread about brockies '78 torana.

 

[McLaren]

you missed that part out so obviously it was added after it was restored.similar story in the model thread about brockies '78 torana.

What are you on about, now?

That's chassis GT40P/1056 without the original livery.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

What are you on about, now?

That's chassis GT40P/1056 without the original livery.

peter brock 1978 torana was at goodwood fos but it had alot of differences from the car it claimed to be(exhaust was on the wrong side,parts of the livery was missing) the gt40 that you posted was restored so the chance is the gt40 was added when it was restored and orginal didnt have that.

 

[McLaren]

Ok, so then you automatically know what it said on the original livery even though GT40P/1056 was painted to look like its original body color?

Again, I ask, now can you prove any of the GT40s in your post are legit? Painting something on the side of the car doesn't mean squat.

80% of Ford GT40s didn't have any indication of Ford on the side.
Examples.
GT40P/1008.

GT40P/1075

Now, since you're going to say they just added GT40 after the restoration, then I'm going to say they added Ford GT after a restoration too. Why?

Because a gigantic chunk of Ford GT40s were changed to include Ford/Ford GT on the side when they were being restored or changed to the new owner's demans.

Chassis' GT40P/1016, GT40P/1058, and GT40P/1072 are all prime examples of being changed to have Ford on the side.

 

[daan]

[fans flames]


Clicky for big
Last Mk3 owned by Ford since new. Chassis No GT40/1107

From Beaulieu Motor Museum. I presume it to be an original. EDIT: GT40/1103

Note lack of GT name, 40 or otherwise.

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[McLaren]

[fans flames]


Last Mk3 owned by Ford since new. Chassis No GT40/1107

From Beaulieu Motor Museum. I presume it to be an original.

Note lack of GT name, 40 or otherwise.

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Exactly! That's just another example of how most GT40s didn't have any indication of the model name on their bodies when they came from the factory.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/01/hottest_vintage/source/9.htm
http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/gallery/gallery/652/1

im sure someone would sell a fake ford gt for 2.5million usd

 

[Danny]

1964 Ford GT40 Prototype

???

 

[Eric.]

Ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the car could be called "GT" for short? I don't see this kind of argument going on over the Nissan 350Z (ZOMG, they call it "The Z" in some ads/commercials!!!!!!omgwtfbbq?!11 350Z must be a nickname!).

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the car could be called "GT" for short?

no as it wasnt it was called gt but people started calling it gt40.

 

[McLaren]

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/01/hottest_vintage/source/9.htm
http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/gallery/gallery/652/1

im sure someone would sell a fake ford gt for 2.5million usd

Ok, but that doesn't mean those those are the vehicle's original liveries. For all we know, that could have been black and red, had #27 on it, and said nothing on the side.

Your pictures of Ford GT being on the side are hardly proof that the car is called the Ford GT b/c only a very few amount of folks know whether the car has kept its original paint. And for those 2, I doubt it. The only GT40s who remain with their original liveries direct from their first team rest in museums, and the number of those GT40s around is pretty much down to 3-4.

 

[McLaren]

no as it wasnt it was called gt but people started calling it gt40.

Ford called it the GT40.

Please, go see the brochure you had to so highly keep referring to.
Or better yet, here.

Please read to me what that says on the cover.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Ok, but that doesn't mean those those are the vehicle's original liveries. For all we know, that could have been black and red, had #27 on it, and said nothing on the side.

Your pictures of Ford GT being on the side are hardly proof that the car is called the Ford GT b/c only a very few amount of folks know whether the car has kept its original paint. And for those 2, I doubt it. The only GT40s who remain with their original liveries direct from their first team rest in museums, and the number of those GT40s around is pretty much down to 3-4.

and you posting one which says gt40 which was restored proves thats orginal? erm no

Ford called it the GT40.

Please, go see the brochure you had to so highly keep referring to.
Or better yet, here.

Please read to me what that says on the cover.

so why in the brochure is it refered to as the gt more than gt40?

 

[McLaren]

???

Good spot.

After some research, that would be Chassis GT 103. And being such, the Ford GTon the side is appropiate for that vehicle, and amazingly is one of the few cars to retain its original livery.

 

[Perfect Balance]

EDIT #5: Took out a bunch of stuff that isn't needed, now that I've found better information.



EDIT #2:

Thirty years ago, nobody at Ford bothered to register the GT40 trademark. And the trademark owner's initial demand, in the $40 million range, led the cost-conscious automaker to drop the "40" moniker and hang onto its money.

"We wanted the (new) car to be called the Ford GT40," says Bob Wood, part-owner of Safir GT40 Spares Ltd. of Cincinnati, which bought the GT40 name in 1999. The company sells replacement parts for the 160 GT40s built from 1964 to 1969.

"Ford was unwilling to negotiate and wouldn't make an offer," Wood said.

Ford spokesman Dan Bedore declined to discuss specifics of the negotiations, saying only that the two parties "couldn't come to mutually agreeable terms."

The name change to GT was announced Tuesday, Oct. 15.

Ford said it would build three copies of the sports car in late 2003 to commemorate the automaker's 1-2-3 finish at the 1966 24 Hours of LeMans as part of Ford's 100th anniversary celebration.

The automaker said it would build about 1,000 GTs annually starting in 2004, at a price of "substantially less" than $150,000.

A hairpin turn

In its press release, the automaker downplayed the name change, stating that the official name of the original race car was the Ford GT, and the GT40 label was only a popular nickname derived from the vehicle's 40-inch height.

So I'm sticking with Holden and saying it was the Ford GT.


EDIT #4: Good information.

True racing historians and enthusiasts know the legend behind the name of the Ford GT, which later became nicknamed GT40 in reference to the car’s overall height. The original race program was conceived by Henry Ford II as after his attempt to purchase Ferrari fell through. Ford turned his attention to building his own program. The program’s roots can be traced back to England where, in 1963 Ford’s team, under the direction of Roy Lunn, began work on an all-new Ford racecar, loosely based on the Eric Broadley’s Lola GT. In April of 1964, the car, proudly bearing the name Ford GT was presented to the press for the first time. It was at Le Mans in June of 1964 that people began referring to the sleek racer as GT40. In its first year, all the Ford GTs retired from the race. Ford hired Carroll Shelby in 1964 to oversee the program. His first move was to install a 427 cubic inch engine in the car, which became known as the Ford GT40 Mark II. In February 1965, Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby drove the Mark II to its first win at the Daytona 2000-km race breaking almost every established track record. The cars went on to their famous 1-2-3 victory at Le Mans in 1966 and dominated the endurance racing world for four straight years.

Throughout the years and despite the GT40 nickname and various versions including Mark II, III, IV and the less known and aesthetically best-forgotten “Mirage” models, at the insistence of Henry Ford II, the cars continued to the nomenclature “Ford GT” or just “Ford” on their body-sides and steering wheel hub.

The legendary Ford GT racing program culminated in June of 1969 with its last victory at Le Mans. Some cars continued to compete after 1969, but the Ford factory program came to a close. Various attempts to keep the flame burning in the form of newly available cars built from spare parts and replica parts continued through the 1970s to present, including a line of cars known as GT40 Mark Vs built by an aftermarket company, which even picked up on the chassis numbering sequence. No Ford badging appeared on these cars. The side stripes carried the name “GT40” or a “GT40 MkV” badge on the wheels.

 

[Venari]

AFAIK, none of the '60s factory cars ever came out with anything but 'FORD' on their flanks, if that.

But they were both called GT and GT40 colloquially... as well as Mk I, Mk II, Mk III, Mk IV, J-Cars.... I'm fairly certain Gurney and Foyt had particularly nasty names for their cars as they could hardly get in and out of them.

It matters not really... they're all Lolas.

 

[McLaren]

and you posting one which says gt40 which was restored proves thats orginal? erm no

Perhaps you missed the part where I said the car was painted to look like it's original livery.

so why in the brochure is it refered to as the gt more than gt40?

It says GT 2 times and GT40 once. This means you're correct despite the brochure being for a "Ford GT40"? Hardly.

 

[McLaren]

Sorry Holden, but I'll have to disagree. From the Wikipedia article, although it can be altered by anyone, I still think it's legit.





Although, I really think that someone from GTP went back and stuck that in, considering how close it is to our current discussion.

If that wasn't someone from GTP, then I'm on your side with the Ford GT.

The last edit was Aug. 17th which was undoing an edit from the 12th.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Sorry Holden, but I'll have to disagree. From the Wikipedia article, although it can be altered by anyone, I still think it's legit.





Although, I really think that someone from GTP went back and stuck that in, considering how close it is to our current discussion.

that dispel part defo wasnt there earlier,one of the main reason why you cant always trust wiki!

 

[McLaren]

that dispel part defo wasnt there earlier,one of the main reason why you cant always trust wiki!

And yet you quoted from it earlier.
Please check the history of the article. Last change made was by a Bot yesterday.

Perfect, keep in mind all those interviews were during the small era of the Prototypes for its first 2 years. After the GT40 successfully won Le Mans (ironically, under the GT 40 P chassis name unlike the unsuccessful GT 1xx bodies), Ford did release that brochure which was printed with GT40 on it.