GT-R'07 VS Corvette Z06'06 (Both Adjusted) = 4WD destroys FR

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So I decided do a test to see which of the two cars would perform better if they were set to the exact same power, weight, tyres, and suspension settings.

Power: 493 HP (had to lower the corvettes to meet the GT-R)

Weight: 1566 kg (Had to raise the corvettes to meet the GT-R)

Tyres: Sports soft

Suspension: both set to be loose and soft in the front (slightly in the back) for cornering.

PP: GT-R= 542 Corvette= 531 (Had to adjust the weight and power to meet the PPs of the GT-R)

Test Track: Dry Lagoon

Best Results: GT-R= 1:29.801 Corvette= 1:32.487

Ok. Its not a huge difference in a hot lap, but in an actual race, the GT-R would be king.

The test analyzation:

The GT-R was stable, easy to control, and quick through the corners.

The Corvette was slightly loose, ok to control, but handled like a tank in the corners compared to the GT-R. My GT-R ghost time just left teh Corvette in the dust.

I guess the GT-R is just a product of superior engineering. Something my country should start looking into, instead of POWER!

What do you guys think of these two cars?

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Original "Adjusted setup" times:

GT-R = 1:29.801 (Stock torque distribution)
GT-R = 1:30.440 (With 90% power set to the rear)

Z06 = 1:32.487

Stock times:

GT-R = 1:34.810

Corvette = 1:36.049


Maybe if all you doubters tried it yourselves, you would see the light and stop getting angry!
 
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Dude, the r35 was made to be a no-skill cheese car. Research kaz's relationship to nissan...

This game strays from its goal to be the ultimate car simulation with the gtr's ability in the game.
 
DMoss84
Dude, the r35 was made to be a no-skill cheese car. Research kaz's relationship to nissan...

This game strays from its goal to be the ultimate car simulation with the gtr's ability in the game.
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Have you driven an R35 in reality?
 
But in reality - the 'Vette has more HP and it weights less.
You should've tested them unchanged.
I love the 'Vette, I also love the GTR. But in my oppinion - 'Vette is a beast and it has soul. GTR is insane, handles beyond belief but lacks soul.
 
DMoss84
Dude, the r35 was made to be a no-skill cheese car. Research kaz's relationship to nissan...

This game strays from its goal to be the ultimate car simulation with the gtr's ability in the game.
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Intersting you mention that. I have a friend who owns a GTR and regularly tracks it. He says it is exactly like his car in feel and confidence.
 
Yev
But in reality - the 'Vette has more HP and it weights less.
You should've tested them unchanged.
I love the 'Vette, I also love the GTR. But in my oppinion - 'Vette is a beast and it has soul. GTR is insane, handles beyond belief but lacks soul.
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Personally, the Vette doesn't have soul. It lost whatever soul it had in the 70s. However I do like the Z06, far more then the ZR1. But the GTR set the gold standard for what a car in it's price/category should be and do.
 
Gran_Turismo
So I decided do a test to see which of the two cars would perform better if they were set to the exact same power, weight, tyres, and suspension settings.

Power: 493 HP (had to lower the corvettes to meet the GT-R)

Weight: 1566 kg (Had to raise the corvettes to meet the GT-R)

Tyres: Sports soft

Suspension: both set to be loose and soft in the front (slightly in the back) for cornering.

PP: GT-R= 542 Corvette= 531 (Had to adjust the weight and power to meet the PPs of the GT-R)

Test Track: Dry Lagoon

Best Results: GT-R= 1:29.801 Corvette= 1:32.487

Ok. Its not a huge difference in a hot lap, but in an actual race, the GT-R would be king.

The test analyzation:

The GT-R was stable, easy to control, and quick through the corners.

The Corvette was slightly loose, ok to control, but handled like a tank in the corners compared to the GT-R. My GT-R ghost time just left teh Corvette in the dust.

I guess the GT-R is just a product of superior engineering. Something my country should start looking into, instead of POWER!

What do you guys think of these two cars?
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Well since you added weight and took power from the vette to make them equal, did you add 4wd to the vette or make the GTR 2wd? :rolleyes:
 
I love both cars and I've just tested them both.
Track: Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 - 1:13:472
Nissan GTR '07 - 1:10:360
Nissan GTR SpecV '09 - 1:09:720 (1 lap only, too tired)

All cars were stock with 0 km and no oil change.
I did a few laps with GTR and Z06, not with SpecV because I am too tired.
GTR destroyed the 'Vette, even though it has over 10 PP less.
 
The only flaw I see here is that you're not correcting for driver skill. Some drivers may be more proficient and quicker in a rear wheel drive car or a four wheel drive car, depending on their style. In any event, you're testing PD's rendering of each car, rather than the actual car...On the other hand, this isn't meant to be a rigorous academic study...
 
Yev
I love both cars and I've just tested them both.
Track: Eiger Nordwand Short Track Reverse
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 - 1:13:472
Nissan GTR '07 - 1:10:360
Nissan GTR SpecV '09 - 1:09:720 (1 lap only, too tired)

All cars were stock with 0 km and no oil change.
I did a few laps with GTR and Z06, not with SpecV because I am too tired.
GTR destroyed the 'Vette, even though it has over 10 PP less.
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Ok so now you took the track with the tightest turns in the game to test. Whats next testing in snow? Here is my test.
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All cars are 100% stock. Sports Hard tires, all aids off but ABS, grip reduction to real.
I dont know how much merc paid PD off to get that fast a SLS when every report I have read says it is a pig. The ACR and vette are relegated low positions due to real manual boxes. All the other cars with dual clutch trannys had a fair advantage. And I dont know what toyota are smoking with the LFA either. Horrible car to drive there. No torque, understeer, just terrible. The mclaren was the other way. Too much power, I have seen airplanes where stepping on the rudder didnt make the rear move so much. ACR, merc, vette were all very neutral and you could choose wether to keep it neutral, understeer or oversteer on comand. The GTR was tricky since it was fast going into turns but took a lot of room coming out from understeer.
 
OP You bastardised the test so that the only outcome would be the GT-R winning, and a 3 second difference is quite big in a hot lap comp.

There are a few problems to start with, your Test Track is a user made track so none of us have any idea of the characteristics. Different tracks favour different drivetrain layouts.

Not to mention that you added weight and took power from the Corvette and then adjusted its PP again.
Not to mention driver ability, Yes the GT-R is quite easy to drive compared to a Z06, but put them in the hands of a very good driver than run the test STOCK back to back and see what the outcome is.

Whilst I very much agree with your sentiment that America needs to start looking at engineering their vehicles much better, your test has only proved if you handicap one car enough another can beat it.

I like both cars, for very different reasons, the GT-R to me is much like the Bugatti Veyron - a technical achievement that is more than the sum of its parts, but feels a little like an appliance rather than a drivers car.
The Corvette relies on a raw power/weight ratio with the absence of many luxuries that the GT-R enjoys, and therefore is a little more exciting to drive... sometimes not as fast, but always on the edge of your seat fun!

There are just to many variables to start with to get a fair outcome... and than you went and changed them even further!
 
GT-R its better than corvette
i thing in tracks you need a good amount of power which the GT-R have and handles very good which the GT-R do it very good
the corvette all what it can do is straight line in corners its like ... i dont know how to say its well its very hard just keep it for drag races
 
THEPUNISHER
GT-R its better than corvette
i thing in tracks you need a good amount of power which the GT-R have and handles very good which the GT-R do it very good
the corvette all what it can do is straight line in corners its like ... i dont know how to say its well its very hard just keep it for drag races
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Not really, like I have said before. I have ridden back to back in both around a track and timed it (not in the game, in real life). On that track the corvette was faster. Though the GTR felt faster for how much more agressive the driver was.
 
your comparison is flawed

you are in essence rewarding the gt-r for having awd by adding weight to the vette when in fact the gt-r *should* be heavier just based on the fact that it is awd. you can't have it all.. awd and low weight. just look at any car that comes in both a awd and fwd/rwd version and the awd will be several hundred pounds heavier.

try comparing at the same pp level
 
BroncosXR8
OP You bastardised the test so that the only outcome would be the GT-R winning, and a 3 second difference is quite big in a hot lap comp.

There are a few problems to start with, your Test Track is a user made
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Stopped reading at the last sentence.

What is "Dry Lagoon" in spanish?

Answer = Laguna Seca

I didn't bastardise it. I purposely set them to the same weight and power and suspension settings, but left their drive trains alone to see which would perform better. Its simply an engineering test.

I don't know why some of you are so upset about this.

The GT-R is simply a better car to race in. I have no doubt that it would still outperform the Corvette even if it was rear wheel drive, just because of how well it controls.

I could do a test right now.
 
Gran_Turismo
Stopped reading at the last sentence.

What is "Dry Lagoon" in spanish?

Answer = Laguna Seca

I didn't bastardise it. I purposely set them to the same weight and power and suspension settings, but left their drive trains alone to see which would perform better. Its simply an engineering test.

I don't know why some of you are so upset about this.

The GT-R is simply a better car to race in. I have no doubt that it would still outperform the Corvette even if it was rear wheel drive, just because of how well it controls.

I could do a test right now.
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I'm sorry that I dont know what Laguna Seca is in spanish:dunce:

So you wanted to do a test to see what was better AWD or FR, not Z06 Vs GT-R, you would have been much better off finding a car that has both drivelines, although I dont think there is one in the game.

If your going to test Z06 Vs GT-R you need to leave them stock... that WILL give you the best feel for what is better to race in. Thats they way they were engineered by the factory.💡

I'm not upset by the GT-R beating the Z06, and I would say it probably would on most tracks in real life, what I dont like is how you setup the test so that a Stock GT-R runs rings around a handicapped Z06 and than point out how bad the Z06 is???

Try reading the rest of my post before your red mist sets in:sly:
 
So basically you handicapped the Corvette to meet the performance of the GT-R. Of course the GT-R will do better, as it hasn't been adjusted to preform worse. :ouch: I suggest you compare both of them stock, without screwing with either of them. Then we'll talk. :rolleyes:
 
I just did a lot lap with the GT-R with the same settings just with 90% of the power going to the rear wheels and my best time so far is 1:30.440.

I'm telling. The GT-R is just better around the corner period.

There is no need to do a test with both cars stocked because its already been done.
 
Gran_Turismo
Stopped reading at the last sentence.

What is "Dry Lagoon" in spanish?

Answer = Laguna Seca

I didn't bastardise it. I purposely set them to the same weight and power and suspension settings, but left their drive trains alone to see which would perform better. Its simply an engineering test.

I don't know why some of you are so upset about this.

The GT-R is simply a better car to race in. I have no doubt that it would still outperform the Corvette even if it was rear wheel drive, just because of how well it controls.



I could do a test right now.
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Maybe if you just said LAGUNA SECA to begin with the confusion would never have ensued. Even i thought you were driving on a custom circuit. Not all of us speak different languages, how arrogant are you? Besides, we are all supposed to be speaking ENGLISH on this forum.

And as others have stated, your test is outrageously flawed, as is your logic. In short, the test is pointless and extremely bias. I would brush up on scientific method if I were you.
 
Gran_Turismo
I just did a lot lap with the GT-R with the same settings just with 90% of the power going to the rear wheels and my best time so far is 1:30.440.

I'm telling. The GT-R is just better around the corner period.

There is no need to do a test with both cars stocked because its already been done.
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I still dont get why you are modifying the cars?

What are the results stock?... I dont know, maybe when they are here we can have a proper discussion, without any bias.:banghead:

EDIT: Now a more unbiased assessment would be this (albeit not in game).

TOP GEAR POWER LAP

Z06 - 1:22.4
GT-R - 1:19.7

and for arguments sake
ZR1 - 1:20.4

Here the results show what you want, without the need to bastardise the test.
However these are real life times, that have infinitely more variables than in game, tyre choice and weather being the biggest ones.
 
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Gran_Turismo
Thats exactly what i was doing.
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"Stopped reading at the last sentence.

What is "Dry Lagoon" in spanish?

Answer = Laguna Seca"

Pretty sure you should have provided a translation for something you could have just typed out in the first place. If thats all you have to say, you are very dull. But I guess Texas might as well be Mexico these days, so whats the point in arguing.
 
THEPUNISHER
GT-R its better than corvette
i thing in tracks you need a good amount of power which the GT-R have and handles very good which the GT-R do it very good
the corvette all what it can do is straight line in corners its like ... i dont know how to say its well its very hard just keep it for drag races
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Tell that to Jan Magnussen and Tommy Milner and until the Nissan has as many wins under it's belt as the Corvette does you really don't have much of an argument!
http://youtu.be/OZlGMX8G3B4
 
It seems that you've introduced too many changes to make this a viable comparison.

1: Driver preference (I get better laps in cars I want to be faster)
2: AWD gives traction at the cost of weight and Wheel HP (power spread out on 4 wheels instead of two.) By evening the weight and power, you've negated the cost of having AWD
3: Tuning. You made a rather vague statement as to having tuned the suspension of both cars. There is a good chance that you've found a better tune for the GT-R than you found for the 'vette

I'm not saying that one is faster than the other. Just that the test has flaws that negate the results.
 
Comparing GT5 times to real times is quite hard because of the horrible default suspension settings PD uses...

Dig up the real life camber, spring and toe settings and dial them in, then compare.
 
Laguna Seca is called "Laguna Seca", not "Dry Lagoon". Just as a Chevrolet Nova is a Chevrolet Nova, not a Chevy No-Go.

Proper names are proper names and needn't be translated for the board... and if people start calling my city "Reed-Full", I will punch them through the internet.

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This test is flawed specifically because you handicapped the Corvette by giving it a lower PP than the GT-R. A 10 PP handicap between two relatively well-matched cars is huge.

Matching peak horsepower is wrong... simply because the twin-turbo GT-R makes so much more mid-range torque than the naturally aspirated Corvette.

Match the weight of the GT-R, then adjust the power limiter till both cars have identical PPs. This is the only way to make a fair comparison. Even if you end up with a Corvette with slightly more peak hp, that doesn't matter, because the GT-R will still make more midrange torque.
 
This is one of the most fundamentally flawed tests I've ever seen. Are you comparing 4WD to RWD or the GTR to the Z06? Either way, you messed up big time for reasons already clearly outlined by previous posters. Calling this an "engineering test" is just stupid. The suspension set up in a GT-R and Corvette are far different. The transversely mounted leaf springs on the 'Vette are unique and make a 4WD and FR comparison moot. Also, the Corvette is lighter than the GT-R for a reason, the lack of 4WD is a huge part of that. 4WD is heavier, that's just a drawback to the system, adding weight to the Corvette in order to "make it fair" does exactly the opposite. I could go on about the massive, gaping, inescapable holes in this test, but everyone else has kindly provided them for you.

For an "engineering test": Don't bother, 4WD and FR are two of the most dominant layouts for a reason. Both have advantages and drawbacks, and in the end it always comes down to driver preference. I know that I'm much faster in a Z06 around Trial Mountain, Laguna Seca, and the Nurburgring than in a GT-R (even the SpecV) because I simply like rear wheel drive more. Also you can't tune cars in tests. This should be obvious

For a GT-R vs. Corvette test: Don't tune either, then test on a variety of tracks. Then go find one of the many, many threads that already exist

For posting: Try not to come off as if you believe that your test is the final, definitive proof in whatever you conclude, it's not. We've played the game too. The GT-R and Corvette are two very popular cars and chances are that everybody who has already posted in here has compared them (and the 4WD vs. FR duel) in private. Also, get names right. Laguna Seca is Laguna Seca. Names like that are not translated.

If you're going to continue to ignore the facts and reasons posted to show you the flaws in your "tests", then do everyone a favor and don't post them anymore.

Edit: Don't let this turn into another Corvette vs. GT-R debate, guys.
 
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