GT Sport's Next Content Update is On Its Way

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warp9engage
1991 best qualifying time -> 3:31
2017 best qualifying time -> 3:14
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You went for the best ever LMP1 qualifying time. Away from 2017, the quali times were at 3:16 to 3:18.

The best ever Gr. C qualifying time was a 3:21 set by a Peugeot 905 in 1992.

However, the course was changed between Dunlop and Esses and I am not sure what impact that has.
Also, paved runout zones have been added at a lot of points (Porsche Curves) which helps going to the limit for a real life race driver. The tarmac will also be a lot different between 1992 and 2017 probably making today's course faster.

The next issue is: What's the point comparing GTS lap times to real life ones? The 3:14 was set by a TS050, yet I never see this car topping out the leaderboards in Gr. 1 daily races (A+ drivers are welcome to correct me here, I am, in all meanings of this term, a BS driver in GTS.)

All in all, I don't see why those cars couldn't be mixed up with a BoPed LMP1 and VGT field within the context of a simcade game.
 
Well, on one side I am very grateful to PD for giving us free updates including cars and (sometimes) tracks. I love this game's presentation and graphics so much more than the competitors. I generally like the car lineup and what the bring with each update.

HOWEVER:

PD has to wake up. Honestly. We GT fans are hooked to this game but nobody in their right mind would pick this one up when compared to Project Cars or Asseto Corsa (even so people buy GT, by the millions). It is kind of ridiculous when you compare the car and track lists.

I believe that PD has to pick up the pace and either add newer, current and stronger content or implement paid DLC or whatever...

I know they won't. They have always been "outsiders" in this videogame industry. Maybe "outsider" is not the right word but I mean they don't feel like they have to answer to anybody and do what they want at their own pace.

Sorry for the rant. I really love this game/series and I say all this as constructive criticism. I guess it comes out as frustration because we have only three or four Porsches when everyone else receive dedicated Porsche car packs with 20+ cars...

I'll be crying here in my corner while you destroy me with your replies... Cheers :(
 
VGTs are already in Gr.1, if I can withstand those "things" I can totally withstand some Group C cars. They made it to fill the Manufacturers count on Gr.1. Seems okay to me
 
Nielsen
No, I meant how it will sound in the game. GT6 got it all wrong.
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Ah, ok. I get it.:)

Alpha Cipher
The thing is, I don't doubt Nik's pace at all. I had the honor of racing against him every now and then in the FiA races, and his race pace is real. He's my idol for being so fast despite being the same age as I. Trust me, I regret that he's too young to enter. Seeing him being so fast gives me inspiration that hey, maybe I can do this as well. Seeing him not being able to enter the championship is really saddening. But I understand why 18 is the age requirement.
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That is very nice of you. It's great to hear that there are people that are starting to take notice of him because I think he's being hidden away somewhat (like this new rule in GTS) from the esports community for quite a while for the gain of others.

Alpha Cipher
Maybe the FiA did doubt Verstappen when he was able to obtain an S-license before he was 18, but I'm thinking its because the FiA didn't even consider someone would be able to pull off such a feat. If the FiA did think someone will be able to do this, I think they imposed that age limit a long tine ago. Imagine if Verstappen got himself seriously injured in an incident, who would take responsibility? He's not an adult yet, so I assume someone else has to take responsibility.

I honestly don't know how we was able to handle contracts as well.
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I agree with everything you say, although the injury part is discussable. Former F4 driver Billy Monger is an example of how much more work the FiA needs to do to improve safety. What happened to Jules Bianchi is tragic, and needs to be a lesson on how everything needs to be made safer (if there was a safety car at that part of the track (which is required especially during wet conditions) while the other car was being removed by the machinery, Jules would've been driving slower, and if he crashed on any other lap, there would been barriers to save him)

Alpha Cipher
And what's he gonna do with the wine that's served when you finish podium?
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I think that you would spray it, share it with your engineers (espescially the one that's on the podium for the constructors trophy), family, and possibly friends.
 
Islaygaz
I'm assuming that Gr.C will be for rally cars i.e numbers for road racers and letters for rally.
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There never ever was anything rally-related in Group C

BrunusCL82
Is there any official position about the category of Group C cars?

It will be really frustrating to put Group C cars in the Gr.1 or Gr. X category.
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Update indroduction on the GT website.

Lord Protector
What do you guys think about this: when I created my PSN account I was under 18 and I entered a wrong year of my date of birth. Am I doomed now? I'll try to contact the PS support tomorrow but I don't have my hopes up...
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You enter a date of birth in the registration form ;)
I‘ve had my account since 2006 (or 2008) and it was just a sub-account of my dad. Luckily Sony gave us the ability to convert it to a regular account a few years ago.

Ares85
I hope the bugatti circuit is also included in this update.
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It won‘t.
 
Brzlav
You went for the best ever LMP1 qualifying time. Away from 2017, the quali times were at 3:16 to 3:18.

The best ever Gr. C qualifying time was a 3:21 set by a Peugeot 905 in 1992.
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Still, we're talking about 5 to 7 seconds of gap, on average, which is still a lot. And this is just pace, no fuel consumption here.

PD cannot realistically BoP Group C and LMP1 without significantly changing both. This is simple fact, end of story.
 
Lebowski
Right, I will repeat again for those with difficulties. The cars you have mentioned and the other guy have mentioned are all fictitious so they (PD) can do what they want with them. When it comes to real race cars (the Megane V6 is very much a real car) they are faithful to it's specs and won't stick it into any old category just to satisfy the wishes of more dreamers! You all need to accept that and realise the difference between a real race car and a fantasy race cars boundaries.
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..about difficulties....

(The megane trophy ..gr.4 ... worse than I predicted..)

PD with their game makes every thing they Wants.... a Daihatsu midget gr.4 too..

IR
 
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Surprised the 787B didn't make it in this update. How could you have a Le Mans update without this beauty?
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warp9engage
without significantly changing both
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You are basing your argument on the assumption that the cars are represented very realisticly in GTS which I don't agree with.

Apart from the shortfalls of GTS's physics engine, those Gr. C cars had 3 pedals, an H-pattern shifter, no power steering, no electronic driving aids and they will be driven with paddles, ABS and CSA in sport mode.
 
Changing a little subject.

I am thinking that RAIN and other features (classic circuits) will be added in a possible SPEC II upgrade.

I believe that SPEC II will be added when GTS completes one year of life. Or in E3?
 
Reading the details on GT site of tomorrow's update from two things I'm disappointed, since clio is already in the game it was worth adding a cup version of clio, and the second thing is three short races in my favorite gt4 class, disappointed.
 
Whilst it's a legit moan for the Grp C cars being in Grp1 I would just like to run the risk of pointing out that if we only
had these three cars in a GrpC class whilst it would be compettive for the individual manufacturers vehicles it wouldn't be possible
to then race against LMP cars or the VGT and you would all moan not enough cars in the class!

To me I think it's a sacrifice to live with as we'd either have to have cars move between classes which is proably too much work
for PD or they would move the wrong vehicles and no one ever can be kept completly happy.

The one thing I would like though is that the Grp X VGT cars which also appear in Grp 1 should go, for me I just want that
class to be proper LeMans/Grp C cars of old.
 
BrunusCL82
Changing a little subject.

I am thinking that RAIN and other features (classic circuits) will be added in a possible SPEC II upgrade.

I believe that SPEC II will be added when GTS completes one year of life. Or in E3?
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PD will support GT Sport for only one year? How long did they support GT6?
 
Yes Yes Yes Yes!!!! I’ve waited for this since release, thank you PD this is one most welcomed update. Really pumped to finally be able to take these Group C and LMP1 cars around Le Mans.
 
trustjab
When did I say lmp1's can't make the same or close to the amount of downforce as group c? If you go to sites like Mulsannes corner there's a lot of good technical information about the drag and lift levels of prototype cars new and old. That should give you an idea of what these group c cars were able to achieve vs the modern days.
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I can't find downforce figures in that website. If you can direct me to some it'd be great.

I want to state though that today's LMP1s have vastly superior downforce levels in comparison to Group C. I don't think they're anywhere near at all.
Brzlav
The best ever Gr. C qualifying time was a 3:21 set by a Peugeot 905 in 1992.
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What's the best ever Group C qualifying time of these 3 cars we were given in the latest update?
Brzlav
The 3:14 was set by a TS050, yet I never see this car topping out the leaderboards in Gr. 1 daily races
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I once got into the Top 10 leaderboards using an R18 '16 in Lago Maggiore once. Tomorrow I'll try to get in with the TS050, if I can.
K32
That is very nice of you. It's great to hear that there are people that are starting to take notice of him because I think he's being hidden away somewhat (like this new rule in GTS) from the esports community for the gain of others.
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The top Asia players are mostly hidden away, since they don't tend to form teams and are mostly out of contact with forums like these
K32
I agree with everything you say, although the injury part is discussable. Former F4 driver Billy Monger is an example of how much more work the FiA needs to do to improve safety. What happened to Jules Bianchi is tragic, and needs to be a lesson on how everything needs to be made safer (if there was a safety car at that part of the track (which is required especially during wet conditions) while the other car was being removed by the machinery, Jules would've been driving slower, and if he crashed on any other lap, there would been barriers to save him)
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I agree with you here, but the injury part was not the focus. What I was trying to say is that, if ever Verstappen got into an incident before he's 18, the FiA might worry that even though he may have signed a contract saying that injuries blablabla are his own responsibility, the very fact that a top-level organization let a minor get hurt is going to cause huge criticism from the media. So despite it's technically Verstappen's responsibility if he ever gets hurt, his age would be a very dangerous weapon the media could use against the FiA, so in effect they'll be the ones taking responsibility
Brzlav
You are basing your argument on the assumption that the cars are represented very realisticly in GTS which I don't agree with.

Apart from the shortfalls of GTS's physics engine, those Gr. C cars had 3 pedals, an H-pattern shifter, no power steering, no electronic driving aids and they will be driven with paddles, ABS and CSA in sport mode.
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Yeah those H-pattern shifters will cost them over a second at La Sarthe, even if you do the upshifts yourself.

And it's not a problem of the physics engine. Just imagine how they would BoP these cars to be competitive? 1200hp and 790kg? Maybe even more. Imagine driving that with the lack of aero and a bad suspension
darth_tails
Whilst it's a legit moan for the Grp C cars being in Grp1 I would just like to run the risk of pointing out that if we only
had these three cars in a GrpC class whilst it would be compettive for the individual manufacturers vehicles it wouldn't be possible
to then race against LMP cars or the VGT and you would all moan not enough cars in the class!

To me I think it's a sacrifice to live with as we'd either have to have cars move between classes which is proably too much work
for PD or they would move the wrong vehicles and no one ever can be kept completly happy.

The one thing I would like though is that the Grp X VGT cars which also appear in Grp 1 should go, for me I just want that
class to be proper LeMans/Grp C cars of old.
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Group 2 says hi
 
Brzlav
You are basing your argument on the assumption that the cars are represented very realisticly in GTS
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I rember LMP & Group-C cars to be very similiars cars to handle in GT6 & don't expect them to have own unique characteristics in GT Sport either.
 

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