Thats also a different car to the one in both GT4 and Forza, thats a shortail GTR and the second one with the same paint as in GT4 has different lights to the GT4 model and yes there are more tha one F1 GTR sponsored by Fina, not all come under the BMW license though. And Cobra, why do you have to insist on bashing Forza's graphics when thety are undeniably good, you know what if you squint at the GT4 pic it looks even more blurrey, whats good about that, anyone can post a pic of a car thats got some blurring done that hides imperfections too by the way. Your not doing this thread or yourself any favours because the moment T5-R, Code and others come here your getting flamed again but you just don't learn that sometimes it's best to quit regardless of how much you believe your right.