GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]

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What I meant by feeling of danger is the fact that the cars in GTR feel and sound like utter beasts. You rev it and it goes nuts. Gt4 will have more cars then GTRs 70, but in terms of racing, I'm quite sure that GTR will come out on top, especially when you use a wheel with it. Gt4p felt quite sedate, but it's still damn good I thought, much MUCH better then GT3. Citta was damn cool, especially in the high power cars. The cars in GTR, to me felt more revvy, the spin more, and have a much better feeling of power. I will obviously play GT4, as theres more to it (more cars etc), but 56 cars man...56 FRICKING CARS!!! I'll probs buy it to cause huge system killing pile ups :D
 
tha_con
...code_kev...I've really been trying to lay off of you...seriously...

but sometimes your arrogance gets ahead of you.

Okay, first I ask that you become familiar with the times, for the time it was released, GT3 was a good game.

And to directly compare and arcade racer to a simulation racer is stupid, and PGR's sense of speed is not too thrilling...simply because it is arcade style. GT3 had a nice sense of speed, but from the first person view, why anyone would want to race from any other view is beyond me.

Also, You talked about how you beat GT3 "ages ago" and I surely would hope so, seeing as it came out three years ago...but if you think Forza will offer more game time (single player, time to beat it, therefore online does not count) then you are mistaken, I'm sure that you will probably be able to clear forza twice before you clear GT4, GTR, or a vast majority of the other racers out there.

Point is, you just bash and bash and bash...I have said negative things about Forza, but they are based around facts and the press, if I have made any assumptions it's from things that were hinted at press releases and previews. You are living up to hype to much, you need to realize to take things at face value and you will be more satisfied, but since you hype things up so much (forza, GTR) then of course you will be dissappointed, only now you run into the problem...in three months when you get it, if you don't like it...you have to eat your words...it can go both ways.

But for now, based on the information available, I will reserve my judgment and say that Forza will be a good game, but will not be a heavy hitter nor a contender for the GT series until it hits it's third iterration, because by then they will have the noteriety and credibility to be a serious simulator, but right now they are shooting in the wind in a market that already has a name they trust. Forza will be good, but on it's first try it will not knock the competition, nor will it pass it.
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It's not arrogance, it's a sense of humour.

And personal taste.
 
Tha_con, I never said I beat Gt3 ages ago, I said it was beaten by other games. I got pretty far in GT3 (most of the uber fast cars, and LOADS of dosh), but couldn't do the mind numbing endurance races etc.
 
code_kev
What I meant by feeling of danger is the fact that the cars in GTR feel and sound like utter beasts. You rev it and it goes nuts. Gt4 will have more cars then GTRs 70, but in terms of racing, I'm quite sure that GTR will come out on top, especially when you use a wheel with it. Gt4p felt quite sedate, but it's still damn good I thought, much MUCH better then GT3. Citta was damn cool.
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Dont forget Mr. code, that gt4p was just the 03 e3 build. I would love to know more about the physics of the latest build, arwin seems impressed with the bmw demo. B his impressions, gt4 has seriously upped its game. If I'm mistaken, each car in gt4 uses 300 parameters, that's a nice amount to make a hardcore sim.
 
Code Kev - I will agree with you on just one point, pains me to do so, but hey compromise is where it's at.

GT3 sucked as a "racing" game, primarily down to its dreadful AI

But it excelled as a "driving" game.
 
cobragt
Dont forget Mr. code, that gt4p was just the 03 e3 build. I would love to know more about the physics of the latest build, arwin seems impressed with the bmw demo. B his impressions, gt4 has seriously upped its game. If I'm mistaken, each car in gt4 uses 300 parameters, that's a nice amount to make a hardcore sim.
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the latest stuff on GT4's physics shows it taking big strides in that area.

The cars look unsettled in corners, they look like they're on the knife's edge.
 
Cobra, the Gt games have allways been accessable, that's why even with driving aids off, it's still quite tame. Theres nothing wrong with that, it's done on purpose, so don't try and pretend they are hard core racing sims. Games like GTR are for the totally hard core racing fans (I'm too crap tbh, but I enjoy em).

As a driving game, Gt3 was slow and un realistic, even at 130+ it felt like I was doing 30, meaning I couldn't judge braking distances etc correctly. Gt4 seems better though at least. I won't even mention the comical way it stops cars tipping.
 
GTr is the racing sim but notice gt4's tagline is the real driving sim. GT4 is leaning toward real racing, pitcrew..... But it's more to be desired; more cars on track, brake fade, and factors that come with racing. GT4 seems to have the factors of driving set .
 
kinigitt
the latest stuff on GT4's physics shows it taking big strides in that area.

The cars look unsettled in corners, they look like they're on the knife's edge.
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Yea, I have noticed that shake like retards on some of the tracks. Good stuff 👍
 
Cobra, calling it a driving game is a weak way to get out of the fact that GTR has more going for it as a pure racing sim. If I wanna drive, I'll jump in a real car, if I wanna race super cars, I play games. I play games to be excited, I don't want a 30 mph sunday drive. I'm quite happy with the fact that GT4 sacrifices some realism to make it more accesable.
 
cobragt
GTr is the racing sim but notice gt4's tagline is the real driving sim. GT4 is leaning toward real racing, pitcrew..... But it's more to be desired; more cars on track, brake fade, and factors that come with racing. GT4 seems to have the factors of driving set .
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what do you guys mean by "driving"? You're on tracks, racing other cars.

Doesn't that make it a racing game then?

I mean, I don't see regular city streets in Gt or country roads where you can just drive and not worry about lap times and such.
 
OMFG, imagine a GT4 with English country roads racing...that would make it better imo! Tight sharp corners, thin roads, ditches, bumps, blind summets, far better then a farty flat track :D
 
code_kev
OMFG, imagine a GT4 with English country roads racing...that would make it better imo! Tight sharp corners, thin roads, ditches, bumps, blind summets, far better then a farty flat track :D
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it would actually.

Maybe they could add an option like that sometime in the future; a kind of "take a spin" mode to just enjoy the car and the scenery.
 
Difference is that the GT series focuses on realistic cars insofar as engine sounds, lap times etc. The focus is on the pleasure of owning and driving a variety of cars. That's why its called "The Real Driving Simulator" rather than "racing simulator".

As a racing game it sucks. There never has been enough emphasis on the competition.

Most of the time when I "race" in the GT series, I don't really give a damn about the AI cars ('cause they are so dreadful), I'm concentrating on beating my own lap times which is far more satisfying.

PGR2 and TOCA Race Driver are better "racing" games but suffer from less vehicles.
 
Caligula1
Difference is that the GT series focuses on realistic cars insofar as engine sounds, lap times etc. The focus is on the pleasure of owning and driving a variety of cars. That's why its called "The Real Driving Simulator" rather than "racing simulator".

As a racing game it sucks. There never has been enough emphasis on the competition.

Most of the time when I "race" in the GT series, I don't really give a damn about the AI cars ('cause they are so dreadful), I'm concentrating on beating my own lap times which is far more satisfying.

PGR2 and TOCA Race Driver are better "racing" games but suffer from less vehicles.
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I agree with you on everything except the realistic engine noises. Or the lack thereof.
 
When he says engine sounds, he means farty whine.

"HEAR THE ROAR OF MY 1000 BHP GTO twin turbo"

*wirrrrrrrrrrrrr*

"wtf, my electric pencil sharpener sounds more powerfull"



Cobra your missing the point, even with aids off it's not gonna be a realistic as GTR. It's a fact, the pc has FAR FAR more power for this stuff. Just accept it. Gt games are made for the masses, while GTR is for a smaller gaming group. I'm not being negative about GT4 or anything, it's just a fact, and as I said, I like it being accesable, it has more of a pick up and play quality, where as the cars in GTR are nigh on impossible to use for a while.
 
Just goes to show I know sweet FA about real cars....lol

Just read it on the box :dopey: :crazy:

I'm crazy about the GT games but am not really a petrolhead in the big wide world :dopey:
 
You havent played the latest gt4 build so you can't say anything. By your logic, forza should look better than gt4 because it's being ran on a machine 3 times more than the machine gt4 is being ran on but honestly anyone who isn't bias would say gt4 looked better. It's all about the dev's skill.
 
Caligula1
Just goes to show I know sweet FA about real cars....lol

Just read it on the box :dopey: :crazy:

I'm crazy about the GT games but am not really a petrolhead in the big wide world :dopey:
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that's fine. Not everybody has to be a car junkie to get into GT.

Technically, they are "realistic car sounds" because they're samples of the actual cars, but the resulting sounds are just not representative of their real life counterparts. I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the way they integrate them into their sound engine. They sound canned and wheezy, for the most part.
 
Cobra, from a technical stand point forza is better, what's your point? Oh you don't know.

Gt4 looks more realistic as PD are brilliant at what they do, they use more realistic looking textures and colours. I take my hat off to em. Graphics arn't JUST about looking realistic, GT4 makes ALOT of concessions to look how it does. OFC I'm sure forza makes concessions too.
 
Used to be more into the realistic racing sims - papyrus GPL and nascar series, but two screaming kids have put paid to them.

I can drive a GT3 car with my two kids beating the hell out of each other in the background - but GPL - nah not a chance in hell! And when they're in bed I'm far too knackered...... and of course then the other half wants attention! :crazy:

Thank God she works a couple of nights - at least I get a bit of gaming time then! :)
 
GPL is AMAZING, you need jedi like concentration to race those 60's death traps on the wet nurb :D

Loads of stuff you can DL for that game, like improved engine sounds etc to give those old cars some real grunt. Also love the way engines blow up, oh and the SUPERB suspension effects, a GREAT game.

Great when you hammer the brakes, and wonder why it's not stopping :D
 
code_kev
GPL is AMAZING, you need jedi like concentration to race those 60's death traps on the wet nurb :D

Loads of stuff you can DL for that game, like improved engine sounds etc to give those old cars some real grunt. Also love the way engines blow up, oh and the SUPERB suspension effects, a GREAT game.
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that game bites you in the ass and you just keep going back for more. It's awesome.
 
I know, it's ANCIENT now, but ohh yes, OH YES! It's begging for an update imo. Even if it plays the same, I just want a tartier version with better sound effects and graphics :D

yes I'm being a graphics whore ;)
 
Isn't it absolutely crazy in an age of 256mb radeon cards that PC racing games are thinner on the ground than ever 👎

Now - when we finally have pc's that have real power we get mainly crap console ports.

What a waste! :grumpy:
 
Half life 2, Doom 3, Rome total war etc.

Enough said me thinks :) But your right, we need more. GTR is a step in the right direction though.

GPL 2004 anyone?
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Yeah that's what I use, but it still looks abit old lol, I'm so shallow!
 

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