GT5 2.0 Disappointment Thread

[Terronium-12]

Kaz didn't give an excuse. He only said he didn't like the idea of locking the DLC to one account. The day later he said it'll be fixed.

Funny, you're defending someone I've never mentioned.

Most other racing games? Most other racing games for past gen consoles allowed you to paint your car.

I could be wrong here, but I think I said that.

GT5 JUST started doing that.

And that's somehow a valid rebuttal?

Most other racing games aren't like GT5.

And, for that, I'm quite thankful.

What racing games don't let you choose paint? GT4321

I haven't the faintest clue as to what you're on about here, and neither do you.

What racing games let you race in a time-changing track(s)? Weather?

Is it common practice to present material that has no relation to anything anyone is talking about?

The paint chips and suits came free minus one dollar off of the Complete Pack.

And that somehow changes the fact that you'll need to repurchase a pack should you want one or several of the fifteen DLC vehicles, paint chips, or racing gear?

There didn't even have to be a Complete Pack.

I don't even know what this has to do with anything at all.

Sony, not PD.

And that changes -- you know what? I'm not even going to bother. Majority of your reply doesn't even make one worth of sense.

 

[Samus]

Sony's fault. Kaz fixed it.

http://n4g.com/news/870062/pd-to-bring-an-end-to-gamesharing/pencom
http://n4g.com/news/880068/sony-reducing-psp-and-ps3-download-title-activation-count

Piece it together.

One day later.

Kaz didn't give an excuse. He only said he didn't like the idea of locking the DLC to one account. The day later he said it'll be fixed.

Sony, not PD.

We're not talking about the locking to one account here, we're talking about the lack of ability to have more than one car/paint/suit. THAT is not down to Sony, that is down to PD. They are the ones that implemented the DLC like that, not Sony. Sony don't program the DLC, how it appears in your garage in GT5. That is PD.

Also he might have announced the fix one day later, but it isn't coming for another month.

EDIT: Oh also that article says that from Nov. 18th the DLC allocation will be reduced from 5 to 2. GT5 is currently limited to 1 so again, how is that down to Sony?

 

[Kobooi]

Except you can't do free runs. That's why I HAD to buy the DLC track pack.

I thought so too. But now instead of practice, I always go online, I race 4 or 5 laps before the race is started (if it is started), I run another 3 or 4 laps, and I receive some money and xp. I usually finish last, because I don't care what cars the others are driving, but that's ok I'm just doing "a free run" and it's still more fun than practice. It's not even so that in practice mode you can easily change cars or weather without having to exit completely, so it's no different than online.

 

[Kesl]

Funny cause it was the moaning that led to spec 2.0. Without non blind sheep things would never improve. Up your standards.

Non Blind Sheep? You must mean sighted sheep or just sheep if we are to use the parlance of our times. Moaning didn't lead to Spec 2.0, constructive criticism and the posts in this forum did. And, let's not forget the heretofore unmentioned 100 or so employees of Polyphony Digital, INc. Co. LLC. LTd. Whose employment it is to further enhance and develop their current products and technology and produce new products and technology to sell for "money". This is how they make "money", to "feed" the "kids". I doubt this thread will lead to much as far as game development is concerned due to the nature of the title, also and more likely, they couldn't be bothered to read the rants and raves of the 15-40 male demographic. We are all idiots, if we weren't we wouldn't waste our time on this thread or any other because a) we are actually too busy doing stuff, climbing mountains, sailing around the world, working etc. or b) a swift, deep, permanent and irreversible understanding and acceptance of a simple fact that, Gran Turismo is a game, a game designed to entertain, nothing less nor more. I gather a lot of people lose sight of this detail. It's also a product, manufactured and sold. Designed as entertainment. And Sold as product that will entertain you. If we look at the current situation and the quality of products one would say they are prettier but don't last as long. If we assume this generality to be true and then relate it to this GTPlanet and by extension it's progenitor we see that the product we've purchased and used, has for the most part been of greater value than the money paid for it, and has been for the most part very pretty. So, using the Ben Franklin scale we (royal) would have to deduce that we weren't fornicated with in any way and may actually be doing the fornicating.
Thank you.

P.s. Forza 4 doesn't look like a bad time either.

 

[Kobooi]

we see that the product we've purchased and used, has for the most part been of greater value than the money paid for it

Not so for DLC.

The "it's just a game" adagio is pointless, no matter how nice you package the message. Rock climbing, sailing around the world or working is also just rock climbing, sailing around the world or working.

 

[Kesl]

Not so for DLC.

The "it's just a game" adagio is pointless, no matter how nice you package the message. Rock climbing, sailing around the world or working is also just rock climbing, sailing around the world or working.

Not quite, GT5 IS just! a game and no matter what you may think, you are actually not doing anything. Sitting and moving your arms or fingers is not activity. It is basically a passive physical experience the end result of which is entertainment a passing of time with no real consequence, or severe consequence depending on how prolonged your period of inactivity. Sailing, climbing, racing, these are all actively physical activities, your entire organism is engaged in movement and the result of these activities is generaly not just physical but also an actual achievement, measurable, deeply meaningful and real. If your PS3 dies how real was your experience when the game save disappears? I'm sure you've heard of Ellen McArthur. Whose ever heard of me or you?
Adagio? You want me to play more slowly?
After re reading your rather pointless and defeatist response I can conclude you've been spending too much time playing games and not enough time living life. To you I say, do what your parents did. Get a job sir.

 

[Kobooi]

After re reading your rather pointless and defeatist response I can conclude you've been spending too much time playing games and not enough time living life. To you I say, do what your parents did. Get a job sir.

Then your conclusion is wrong. That's ok, you're "just a guy" on the internet. But I would actually be happy to assume my life consists of nothing more than gaming. That would make me an expert on the subject.

Do you also go on other forums, telling people they spend too much time on whatever the forum is about? What do you write on the rock climbing forums when people are disappointed in certain gear?

 

[the Interceptor]

I really don't see how the amount of physical activity is connected to how important my hobby is. How about playing chess? Would you call it a pointless, passive activity with no impact to my life, just because I only sit, think and move a piece once in a while?

I know a lot of people who dedicate a very good amount of their spare time, efforts and money to Gran Turismo. For those people, it is a very real and substantial activity with no major differences to other sports which do not include heavy physical interaction. This means that they will pursue it with the same passion and will, given they get the chance, try to improve the conditions, such as trying the manufacturer to improve the software like in this case.

Arguing that it is "just a game" with "no real impact to your actual life" means that you can pretty much stop living, sit on a chair in an empty room and wait for the next day to come. Other than air, food and a bit of sun, what do you actually need?

 

[matt-mtb]

Here we go another one of these bulls**t threads. Its an update , not DLC

 

[Terronium-12]

Here we go another one of these 🤬 threads. Its an update , not DLC

And here we go with another person attempting to bypass the swear filter.

Oh, and for record, Spec II is DLC.

 

[Tibbz]

I haven't played in a year, but I hope the game has improved since I last played.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Not quite, GT5 IS just! a game and no matter what you may think, you are actually not doing anything. Sitting and moving your arms or fingers is not activity. It is basically a passive physical experience the end result of which is entertainment a passing of time with no real consequence, or severe consequence depending on how prolonged your period of inactivity. Sailing, climbing, racing, these are all actively physical activities, your entire organism is engaged in movement and the result of these activities is generaly not just physical but also an actual achievement, measurable, deeply meaningful and real. If your PS3 dies how real was your experience when the game save disappears? I'm sure you've heard of Ellen McArthur. Whose ever heard of me or you?
Adagio? You want me to play more slowly?
After re reading your rather pointless and defeatist response I can conclude you've been spending too much time playing games and not enough time living life. To you I say, do what your parents did. Get a job sir.

Let me get this straight. So basically, the less physical movement involved a hobby = less benefit for you in the end. I mean, wow. I guess drawing, writing, playing a musical instrument, reading, etc. are nothing but a huge waste of time since all you basically do is sit and move your arms and fingers. And some people do these things because it is entertaining for them and they enjoy it. Nice logic there. Never mind the fact some get very far in life by taking the time to practice and become better at a few of those examples I pointed out.

And what is funny is you say GT5 is just a game yet thanks to GT Academy, it has given the opportunity for some to become real race car drivers. Hm, that sure is a great achievement for sitting around and basically doing nothing.

 

[plate88]

I'm not dissapointed with the 2.0 update per se, but it has alot of stuff I don't use. I like the endurace saves, cockpit views, rewind/fast forward, and g25 support. Most everything else I don't utilize too often so its not a big deal, but at the same time the update didn't change the game for me really. I don't play GT5 near as much as some here, so I'm not going to be too critical of it.

I love reading the posts on this thread that defend PD to no end. Especially about the DLC. Both Sony/PD know the GT series has sold millions upon millions of copies. If they can get even just a portion of people to buy the DLC, it will bring decent profit. Its not like the DLC was ground breaking stuff here. The tracks are nice, but everything else should've been pretty simple to develop.

 

[Kesl]

Let me get this straight. So basically, the less physical movement involved a hobby = less benefit for you in the end. I mean, wow. I guess drawing, writing, playing a musical instrument, reading, etc. are nothing but a huge waste of time since all you basically do is sit and move your arms and fingers. And some people do these things because it is entertaining for them and they enjoy it. Nice logic there. Never mind the fact some get very far in life by taking the time to practice and become better at a few of those examples I pointed out.

And what is funny is you say GT5 is just a game yet thanks to GT Academy, it has given the opportunity for some to become real race car drivers. Hm, that sure is a great achievement for sitting around and basically doing nothing.

All you say is true, And undeniable. But, and it's a big one. Look at the amount of work necessary to be accomplished at any one of the arts or crafts you mentioned and I think you'll soon realize that comparing the arts and crafts to video gaming is moronic. Illogical. Irrational. You must understand. I know there are video game masters and to achieve such a level requires a great deal of skill. But, I hold the position that to excel in the arts or crafts it requires more than skill. It requires background ie. historical knowledge of your subject as well as the requisite theoretical knowledge associated. This amounts to years and years of schooling or practice or more likely than not both, as well a tremendous financial burden/responsibility/debt. So no, in my view video gaming is just that and to excel at it requires less from a person than to excel in the arts and crafts.

 

[iridegravity]

Working on a list of things may or may not be considered to be busted in GT5.

Let me start by saying that the sound and the jaggies should not be on this list.
Like Jeremy Clarkson, I am right and you are wrong and thats an end of it. JK
The sound in this game is quality. Anyone complaining has probably got a low fidelity audio system. Perhaps it could be improved, but 4 bangers sound like 4 bangers and the exhaust notes get throatier and deeper as the displacement and cylinders increase. I
can find no serious fault with the sound.
Bitching about jaggies in a game this pretty is just rubbish. The END

Now let's get started on a real list starting with
#1 Menu system/UI... It's busted/ to much clutter, confusion and missing
#2 Online ......... It's busted/ no matchmaking, takes too much effort
#3 B-Spec ..... It's busted/ no depth or options
#4 DLC..... It's busted/ Delivery sucks and you can't use it offline or gift

You can argue with me, but your wrong IMO....and I can prove it.
Anyone care to defend these aspects of GT5? Or offer up your own opinion on something else that might be busted.

The above was pasted from a thread I tried to start earlier and it got shut down. This thread about the 2.0 update dissapointment is the one my opinion is allowed in. So there it is. Probably out of context now and not really about the 2.0, but at least it's not completely wasted.
My intent was to have some discussion here about real issues with the game. Not just whine about which Standard conversions were done.
Mostly about how no one here talks about the real meat and potatoes of the game. The stuff that effects everyday gameplay is not that great. I will concede that the A spec offering is a lot of meat and offers much value for your gaming dollar. But in the main ingrediants, GT5 falls flat on it's face mostly.
Any one agree or disagree?