GT5 2.0 Disappointment Thread

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There is a very simple solution to your troubles and that includes the rest of you. Sell the game. Ever thought of that? Not only you get some money for it and avoid PD's 'incompetence' but you also gain low blood pressure and live a healthy life.

That's what i would do anyways

Face palm....do you bother actually reading comments and make the slightest effort to understand the reasoning behind the complaints?? Actually ignore that, I doubt you have the intelligence to do it.

Serious question to those folks who feels it applies to them.

Why do those who feel the need to defend PD and GT5 choose to voluntary come into threads clearly expressing disappointment towards this update, then talk down to everyone who wasn't exactly satisfied with it? Not to mention TWO exact opposites of this thread already exist.

I just don't understand it. If it bothers you so much to hear people talk negatively towards GT5, why come in here?

Reminds me too much of the "Is anyone else disappointed in GT5?" thread and people got blasted in the only place it was perfectly fine to express their dislikes about the game.

Spot on, they are clearly the lowest of the low on internet forums, arguing for the sake of it, not making any effort to understand the reasoning behind the complaints.

A-Spec progression was business as usual initially. Untill the payout for the Seasonals was raised due to consumer feedback.
What has that got to do with what I was saying? I was saying that Aspec (and seasonals) are crap because the racing experience is awful.

Part of the GT philosophie is to give you the means to make you a better driver. That includes setting benchmarks. It's an anachronism, sure, but you acn make this concept work for you on many layers. "Walk before you run", and such old fashioned nonsense.

I'm already a competent driver in the game, I've been playing Sims since the Microprose F1 games. Had wheels since Sports Car GT. I do not agree with artificial and contrived difficulty settings or difficult scenarios. I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the game, I'm saying that just because they are in the game doesn't make me want to play them over and over again. I do them a few times then move on.

There you go:
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You can have the most exciting white knuckle races, if you put a bit of good will and effort in it.

Again, it is an anachronism to make me cycle through line ups and all.

Yeah....do you actually read what I say....What part of "limited gaming time" do you not understand? so you post a link to a FOUR hour endurance.....hello earth calling it'shim. Also Why the hell should I have to spend ages trawling websites to find ways to make this game better? I never did that with the other 6 GT titles I've played in the past...so if I have to do that then it confirms the backwards step of GT5 does it not?

And maybe you prefer rubberbanded AI. Fair enough, Grid and Midnight Club 3 have done a very good job with it. I wouldn't mind having such an option at all.

However, have you ever done anything at all to contribute to the gaming experience?

Like actually posting some useful info in a thread like I just posted? No? How come?

Through a joint effort, we now know the laptimes of the AI in the 4 hours Nürburgring race. We found a grid where there are up to 6 cars putting in similar times, which should make the 4 hours fly by in no time. Done by just a few people.

But I guess that's asking too much from people busy all day long reassuring themselves, that GT5 is crap. Well, I hold strong views of how much value they add to the parts of the community I appreciate.

Are you even listening to me? Why on earth do you spout the rubber band Ai crap?? You clearly have NO idea where I am coming from. I HATE rubber band Ai, I WANT the AI to be able to give me a FAIR and competitive race, effing hell WHY is that such a hard thing for you to comprehend?

Your last comments are the usual dismissive crap I'm reading more and more on GTP. Why on earth should I be expected to post useful info in a thread...is that the criteria for getting a good experience out of Aspec??? If it is then it just proves how crap Aspec is.
 
It is fixed I don't know what Dev is talking about.

I thought they fixed the 2 player arcade replay a few updates ago. Maybe I am imagining it. Not having at release is odd.

What it is? This is one point I will be very happy to be wrong about... I just played 2 player battle last night and didn't see it but maybe I just wasn't looking?

I will still agree that it shouldn't have launched without this feature.
 
We got to admit that Forza 4 is the new king of Racing simulation, whether we like it or not. I love GT and I'm a fan of Gt always, I love GT5 but Forza 4 made a big stride. Receive allot of great reviews and allot of new features. Hopefully Gt6 will be better. It kinda sucks that again we don't see European cars and American( especially the muscle cars ) that much in the update. My goodness another GTR. Does Nissan pay Polyphony?

Because it's a better game?

rFactor and other computer games are the king. Altrough they suck.
 
@ robbo im totally understanding you about the AI, but I think they changed it in spec2.
Do me a favor go to seasonals Supercars, use a roadcar like RUF RGT or similar 550 pp with sports hard tires and tell me what you think. I can still win with this combo (if theres no R390 in the race), but I think the AI is giving me a good run for the money. 👍
 
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Your last comments are the usual dismissive crap I'm reading more and more on GTP. Why on earth should I be expected to post useful info in a thread...is that the criteria for getting a good experience out of Aspec??? If it is then it just proves how crap Aspec is.

Why would anyone visit a website just to bash a game? Seems to me you have chosen not to be part of the solution but rather the problem then.

I'm not going to address your rant in full, but let me point you to this:

Endurance races can be broken down into convenient parts through pitlane saves now. Once of the most requested features so far.

While you might not fancy running 4 hours on the Ring in several consecutive sessions, I'd like to tell you what you are missing. I just ran 45 minutes in the race with the N24 GT-R on SH tyres. Yes, the AI still needs a boost from better tyres. But they were never running so competitive and smooth than after the Spec2 update. I was under constant pressure from the AI for the better part of 40 minutes, switching positions and having good clean fights. I dare say that was the single best offline experience I had in GT so far.

Its your choice to miss out on all the fun. Don't blame it on the game especially after the Spec2 update Just because it doesn't cater to your personal and very specific tastes.

Maybe a little less anger and a little more curiosity would help.
 
I thought this was a thread for people who were disappointed by the new update, every other post is telling people to just be grateful. If you're not disappointed then please feel free to not post here
 
We got to admit that Forza 4 is the new king of Racing simulation, whether we like it or not. I love GT and I'm a fan of Gt always, I love GT5 but Forza 4 made a big stride. Receive allot of great reviews and allot of new features. Hopefully Gt6 will be better. It kinda sucks that again we don't see European cars and American( especially the muscle cars ) that much in the update. My goodness another GTR. Does Nissan pay Polyphony?

The grass is always greener on the other side. lol.

If GT6 comes out next November with 90 more premiums and 5 new tracks and takes 3 away from GT5. Obviously they will improve graphics, physics, sound and so on otherwise what is the point of making a new game ... and make changes to career mode, copy NFS auto log will you happy ? Will that really be a big stride ? Because that is what Forza4 has done from Forza3 ;)

GT5 already is superior with 2 24hr race, city tracks like Monaco, Tokyo, London, Madrid, Rome. Rally, F1, Nascar, course maker, go-karts, weather in some tracks, night track, 3D support.

Spec 2.0 is great I would think they will support GT5 for at least 6 more months ? As far as GT6 is concerned not sure what they are thinking :confused:
 
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While you might not fancy running 4 hours on the Ring in several consecutive sessions, I'd like to tell you what you are missing. I just ran 45 minutes in the race with the N24 GT-R on SH tyres. Yes, the AI still needs a boost from better tyres. But they were never running so competitive and smooth than after the Spec2 update. I was under constant pressure from the AI for the better part of 40 minutes, switching positions and having good clean fights. I dare say that was the single best offline experience I had in GT so far.

Its your choice to miss out on all the fun. Don't blame it on the game especially after the Spec2 update Just because it doesn't cater to your personal and very specific tastes.

Maybe a little less anger and a little more curiosity would help.

Yep, I agree, the AI is really very good now, also everyone can make it as difficult or easy as they wish, simply thru tire choice... Somehow I doubt that will stop the automatism crying for better AI though. lol.

Anyways there's issues with the update and the core game just like all GTs never seemed to be "perfect". Difference is now PD can change things and while I dont agree with everything they doing a decent job so far.

ronin85
I thought this was a thread for people who were disappointed by the new update, every other post is telling people to just be grateful. If you're not disappointed then please feel free to not post here

Also agree with this. 👍
 
I have played forza 4. Better game, worse simulator. It has a drag strip. You can change the grip dynamics of cars. Tuning is much more involved and there is a systematic process with real time data useful to addressing a tuning aspect - gt5 does not have this near the scale of forza.. The tire grip indicator released with the patch is a sad attempt to match the competition..

I'm hurt by this crap attempt by pd. Excuses aside, it is what it is.
 
I think the update is awesome with only 2 faults

1. Less credit rewards (but more B-Spec xp yay!)
2. A lot of cars still have inaccurate sounds
 
^^^ So glad that they added the credits multiplier for logging in consistently from day to day. If it weren't for that, I'd go on strike. Grinding would take wayyy too long if not for that.

No, it wasn't and still isn't. A-spec in its current state is like giving a banana to a monkey and get feces thrown back at you as a reward.

Seasonal events are labeled A-Spec. If you don't like new added events that pay off more money, then I might as well throw my feces at you.


SPLLLLAAAT!
 
Seasonal events are labeled A-Spec. If you don't like new added events that pay off more money, then I might as well throw my feces at you.


SPLLLLAAAT!

More brilliant logic. If you don't like the poor format of the seasonal events then you must be crazy. Nevermind the fact GT4 had 500 odd proper races compared to 100 odd in GT5. That's irrelevant of course.
 
Can one be disappointed by the amount of disappointed in a disappointed thread?
It's an ironic thread title. We were given so much that we asked for. Those disappointed are those that really can't be satisfied until they find what they're looking for. Something PD won't offer them because what they want isn't possible, at the moment. Simply because the world doesn't revolve around their sacks. Some people think they have magical sacks, but the only person that does have one is, Gene Simmons. (bad "logic")

More brilliant logic. If you don't like the poor format of the seasonal events then you must be crazy. Nevermind the fact GT4 had 500 odd proper races compared to 100 odd in GT5. That's irrelevant of course.
By that, I mean, take what you're given and run with it. Seasonal events aren't very different at all (except I like them better than A-Spec).

GT4 had manufacturer races (500 races? GT4 was the 2nd GT game on PS2, GT5 has quadruple the amount of content that GT3 had, your logic is sad).

My previous post didn't need logic. It's called rationality. We were given an update at the start of GT5, that was a better addition to A-Spec (IMO = rationality). Credits, exp., VARIETY. How is it not better than A-Spec? Endurance races?

Whatever's whatever. Go ahead and think I'm not right about this. Not trying to sound like a know it all, but are you really going to ignore Seasonal Events and not credit PD for doing that much for us as early as they did (+600mb update about a month, maybe less after release)?

Also, it's not ALL of my generation. The good ones are just not as visible. I am not a good one, by the way. I haven't shown much, but it's not like I think school is gay because it's boring. The teachers suck 99.9% of the time.
 
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More brilliant logic. If you don't like the poor format of the seasonal events then you must be crazy. Nevermind the fact GT4 had 500 odd proper races compared to 100 odd in GT5. That's irrelevant of course.

The fact is, they are giving us more events, completely free.
 
By that, I mean, take what you're given and run with it. Seasonal events aren't very different at all (except I like them better than A-Spec).

So basically I should just accept what im given simply because i am given it? Seasonals are very different to a spec and you know it. That is very nice you like them but don't bash people that do not share your view.

GT4 had manufacturer races (500 races? GT4 was the 2nd GT game on PS2, GT5 has quadruple the amount of content that GT3 had, your logic is sad).

How is my logic sad? GT3 was released 18 months after GT2 on hardware just a year old so could be excused for being shorter. GT5 was released 6 years after GT4 on 4 year old hardware using many assets from GT4. So yes, in that time I expected at least as many race events as GT4.

My previous post didn't need logic. It's called rationality. We were given an update at the start of GT5, that was a better addition to A-Spec (IMO = rationality). Credits, exp., VARIETY. How is it not better than A-Spec? Endurance races?

I never said seasonals were a bad addition, I said they did not make up for the huge lack of races compared to GT4.

Whatever's whatever. Go ahead and think I'm not right about this. Not trying to sound like a know it all, but are you really going to ignore Seasonal Events and not credit PD for doing
As above. But thanks for allowing me to disagree with your opinion.

The fact is, they are giving us more events, completely free.

You say that like they're doing us a favour by not charging us for them. Yes they have given us more events but they are not in a traditional race format, they all follow the same format and whatever you think of them It is still my opinion that its not enough.
 
Since the new payout bonus system makes them more financially appealing, I went back and played the original A-spec, and it's a much better race experience than the Seasonal Events.
 
They should really add a filter for tyres to the online lobby. There is an over abundance of rooms where people drive using Racing Soft's and there are simply too many of them.

/rant
 
@ robbo im totally understanding you about the AI, but I think they changed it in spec2.
Do me a favor go to seasonals Supercars, use a roadcar like RUF RGT or similar 550 pp with sports hard tires and tell me what you think. I can still win with this combo (if theres no R390 in the race), but I think the AI is giving me a good run for the money. 👍

I understand what you mean, but that's self handicapping to hide the Ai's shortcomings, is that really impressive for a triple A title such as GT5. Spec 2.0 has made a difference, sadly not enough for me. But I'm slowly changing my driving style to make the game appear better. As you say tyre choice is critical. But it been a huge shift for me as I've always preferred a sweet handling car with high corner speed over HP and acceleration (brains rather than brawn so to speak) that doesn't work with GT5s Ai, So I'm finding that I have to comprimise corner speed (dropping to Ai skill) and then tweaking other areas drivetrain etc, to get better acceleration out of corners. But again I stress that I don't find it impressive that I ahve to do that to overcome the Ai's shortcomings.

Why would anyone visit a website just to bash a game? Seems to me you have chosen not to be part of the solution but rather the problem then.

I'm not going to address your rant in full, but let me point you to this:

Endurance races can be broken down into convenient parts through pitlane saves now. Once of the most requested features so far.

While you might not fancy running 4 hours on the Ring in several consecutive sessions, I'd like to tell you what you are missing. I just ran 45 minutes in the race with the N24 GT-R on SH tyres. Yes, the AI still needs a boost from better tyres. But they were never running so competitive and smooth than after the Spec2 update. I was under constant pressure from the AI for the better part of 40 minutes, switching positions and having good clean fights. I dare say that was the single best offline experience I had in GT so far.

Its your choice to miss out on all the fun. Don't blame it on the game especially after the Spec2 update Just because it doesn't cater to your personal and very specific tastes.

Maybe a little less anger and a little more curiosity would help.

I joined this forum back in 2005 and lurked as a guest before that, I have loved the GT series from the earliest days on the PS1. I have appreciated EVERY game up to GT4 (altho GT4 did irritate me with the dropping of qualifying and introducing rolling starts). But GT5 is the FIRST GT game that I ahev not been able to fully enjoy. I DO enjoy it, but nowhere near as much as the other games.....surely you see that is wrong? Games should get BETTER not worse or at best stagnate. Yes I appreciate the GT5 has brought online play into the mix, but that's something that's never really interested me much at all. But it seems to me that PD have literally forgotten about offline players with GT5, it's really poor. I've tried Arcade mode and it IS indeed better than Aspec, but again that is WRONG....Arcade mode SHOULD be the quick pick up and play mode. The REAL meat of the game should be the Aspec career, yet it pales in comparison to Arcade mode, tell me you don't think that is the right way round?

I'm NOT part of the problem, the problems are there in the game. Why should I have to drastically change the way I've ALWAYS played the GT games JUST to accommodate a supposedly superior games foibles?? I've always preferred high corner speed setups in my cars and used that to defeat faster cars, but at least in previous GTs the Ai didn't slow down too much mid corner or back off the throttle if I was too close. So I am finding that I have to adjust the way I play the game to extract enjoyment from it....but is that acceptable for a triple A game? It seems it is for you, but I have very high standards in everything and what doesn't measure up I complain about.

Regarding the endurance saves, it was high on my list of wants, but I've read several threads that it's quite buggy it seems. I'm wary of attempting one myself now. But again I must reiterate that without proper differences between tyre wear rates I find endurances a disappointment in GT5. With GT3 and GT4 I spent many an hour in the endurances testing cars and tyre compound combinations to see what was best. That's all more or less irrelevant in GT5....softs last just as long as hards. I'm NOT just bashing GT5 for the hell of it, I WAS a long term fan of the series and PD work. I'm SO disappointed that GT5 has failed to live up to the standards of the previous games. Maybe it is my own fault that I expected GT5 to be better than it actually turned out to be, but I couldn't and can't just drop a game series I have loved since day one and a game I DO enjoy, just not as much as the previous games.
 
It's an ironic thread title. We were given so much that we asked for. Those disappointed are those that really can't be satisfied until they find what they're looking for. Something PD won't offer them because what they want isn't possible, at the moment. Simply because the world doesn't revolve around their sacks. Some people think they have magical sacks, but the only person that does have one is, Gene Simmons. (bad "logic")

It's not an ironic thread title at all....what IS ironic is people like you being disappointed that people are disappointed with GT5 and Spec 2.0.

Given so much?
Endurance saves....granted...but seems buggy - NOT impressive
Standard car interiors....granted....but some are awesome some are less so why the disparity?
Ai change?.....granted.....in arcade mode and still not as good as the Ai was originally. I want rid of the low corner speed and "backing off" issue.
new movie......yeah I read the pages and pages of people clamouring for that....NOT
Avatars in photo mode.....ditto above
NASCAR pit scene in photo mode.....ditto above
MORE NASCARS........ditto above

So what I want isn't possible:

Qualifying isn't possible?
standing starts isn't possible?...we HAD it...PD took it away for some bizarre bloody reason. I don't remember reading pages and pages of people HATING standing starts do YOU?
Reverse selectable via shifting and activated via SHOCK the accelerator pedal....HOW RADICAL IS THAT, is something that's not in every car is it?....oh wait YES IT IS!! This legacy thing of pressing a button to reverse even with a wheel setup is PATHETIC....and what's worse if I go into Hshift mode on my G25, reverse gear works perfectly correctly...so it's THERE, just not for sequential shift and I REFUSE to use Hshift on cars that DO NOT HAVE IT IN REALITY.
 
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