GT5 BTCC/WTCC league

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I am planning on starting a touring car championship league on GT5 and i need a few people who could join, the cars will be 3+door ff/fr cars with 315 hp and weigh 1190+ kg, anyone want to join?

GT5 WTCC Regulations:

The cars must be FF or FR, there is NO 4WD, RR or MR allowed at all
The cars must have three (3) or more doors (a hatch is a door)
The cars must not be a RM or TC
There are no superchargers allowed
The cars must have no more than 315 horsepower
The Cars will be no lighter than 1190 kg, with the penalties adding
The PP is 480

Room Settings:

The number of laps in the race will be based on the pole position time to equal 20 minutes
The grid will be set to "Grid start with false start check"
The starting will be based on the fastest car
Visual damage will be on
Mechanical damage will be set to "weak"
Boost will be "off"
Slipstreams will be set to "Strong"
Tire wear will be "on"
Track grip will be set to "real"
Sport Soft Tires will be used

ALL DRIVING AIDS WILL BE OFF

Over chicanes and corners, the rumble pad is part of the track, and at least 2 tires must be on the track.

Venues:

*all races will be at 3:00pm pacific every second Wednesday (eg. 26th, 10th, 24th)*

Round 1 Monza
Round 2 Daytona Road
Round 3 SSR5
Round 4 London
Round 5 Fuji Speedway GT
Round 6 Laguna Seca
Round 7 Tsukuba
Round 8 Suzuka East
Round 9 Madrid
Round 10 Nurburgring GP/D
Round 11 Rome
Round 12 Indy Road
Round 13 Grand Valley East
Round 14 Cape Ring Inside

Date of each race will be on a Wednesday at 22:00 Pacific

Small bumps are allowed, but anything big will cause you a penalty of your position, and/or a race suspension. Too many hard hits will get you KICKED out of the league

Add "Sixflags48" on Playstation Network if you want to race in this series.

In the next season, there may be more than one team allowed to use a manufacturer

Teams and Drivers:

Honda
car: Honda Civic Type R '08
Drivers: Sixflags48 & jammy_rex
Test/Reserve:

BMW
car: BMW 330i
Drivers: MrMelancholy15 &

Volvo
car: Volvo R30 T-5 R-Design
Drivers: mitaches &

Ford
car: Ford Focus ST
Drivers :Fuelmyfire &

Volkswagen
car: Volkswagen Scirocco R
Drivers: raceorama1234321 &

Alfa Romeo
car: Alfa Romeo 147 TI 2.0 Twin Spark
Drivers: LanDelta9 &

Mazda
car: Mazda Atenza Sport 25Z
Drivers: MidtownMadness &

Citroen
car: Citroen C4 2.0VTS Still may change
Drivers


Points per race:
1st-20pts
2nd-17pts
3rd-15pts
4th-13pts
5th-11pts
6th-10pts
7th-9pts
8th-8pts
9th-7pts
10th-6pts
11th-5pts
12th-4pts
13th-3pts
14th-2pts
15th-1pt
1 pt for most laps led
1 pt for pole
1 pt for fastest lap
total of 22 points can be scored

Weight penalties:
1st-45kgs
2nd-36kgs
3rd-27kgs
4th-18kgs
5th-9kgs

There will be three (roughly) 15 minute races, the qualifying session will be about 10-15 minutes with rules set to "weak" and tire wear "on". The third race will be reverse the first result

Each car has been tested for equality
There are no pit stops as the tires will last the distance when not abused

The prize for winning the championship will be any $15 or less game.
 
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Sound very interesting. Any other other restrictions? Or are plans being made as this forms?
 
no assists at all, i never used no abs too many times before, but i will start, i am thinking of making it no race cars, only tuned, but the bmw 320i is an ideal touring car
 
Sixflags48
no assists at all, i never used no abs too many times before, but i will start, i am thinking of making it no race cars, only tuned, but the bmw 320i is an ideal touring car
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So no race mods or touring cars with the exception of the 320i? Ooh, no abs sounds very interesting. I've raced online with no abs allowed a few times and enjoyed it a lot. Demands for precise braking techniques instead of just mashing brakes. No thoughts of penalties?
 
Nurburgring gp/d will be in there, and i know how many people like to cut the chicane, so maybe i will set the penalties to low, and i can add race suspensions to those who smash up, there are points for the top 6 positions, track grip will be set to real, of course there will be false start checks, and about 15 laps per race, so players can experience the front tires on ff cars drop off
 
lintels123
So no race mods or touring cars with the exception of the 320i? Ooh, no abs sounds very interesting. I've raced online with no abs allowed a few times and enjoyed it a lot. Demands for precise braking techniques instead of just mashing brakes. No thoughts of penalties?
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i will be trying to make it as close to s2000 or ngtc rules as i can
 
I'm am very much interested in this. If more people are on board for this it would be great!
 
lintels123
I'm am very much interested in this. If more people are on board for this it would be great!
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i dont know too many people personally who play gt5, but if you could ask friends or so that would be great
 
Sixflags48
i dont know too many people personally who play gt5, but if you could ask friends or so that would be great
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I have some cousins that I race with a lot but I'm not sure if they would go for something like this. I know of atleast 1 person that would though. I'll see if he would like to. He might know others that would be interested also
 
That was a pretty good pre-season session, hopefully all of us will have full regulation cars next time, the ford focus is very good in these sorts of races
 
Sixflags48
That was a pretty good pre-season session, hopefully all of us will have full regulation cars next time, the ford focus is very good in these sorts of races
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Very good racing, I'm going to get a larger selection of cars to tune and play with. If we can find more racers it would be perfect
 
lintels123
I have, shall some cars be replaced with others since not all makes are in gt5?
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I have put in cars from the New dealer (aside from the BMW) so they shouldnt be too hard to get, let me know what car you like, and i will add you to a team, as soon as you have a team-mate then you two will get to pick a team name, the team member with the most points gets to decide what the future of the other team-mate will be after the season, so get comfortable with one car, and use it well
 
Sixflags48
Slipstreams will be set to "Strong"

Volvo
car: Volvo R30 T-5 R-Design
Drivers:
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Why slipstream to "Strong"? With ABS off that will make a huge impact on the driving.

I want to join the Volvo Team but you reside in Canada. What time will the League be set?
 
f1webberfan
Why slipstream to "Strong"? With ABS off that will make a huge impact on the driving.

I want to join the Volvo Team but you reside in Canada. What time will the League be set?
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the time is not set yet, what is your time zone? and what times work for you?

the cars do not quite go fast enough for the slipstream to do too much
 
Maybe you have a point on the slipstream vs hp. Maybe it will depend on the track. :) My idea is that if you have a better corner exit you will be aided by the normal slipstream (even if poorly modeled in the game). But even so if are the chased car you still can defend. Sometimes slipstream set to strong can be overkill - difference of 40 km even for a short straight - no chance to defend.

Well ... my timezone is +2h GMT. Maybe like 23:00h GMT is the time I'm aiming for. I'm not sure what is that in your timezone.
 
f1webberfan
Well ... my timezone is +2h GMT. Maybe like 23:00h GMT is the time I'm aiming for. I'm not sure what is that in your timezone.
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If you can race at 23:00 there, it should work here, cause it would be 14:00 here, which is my ideal time i guess
 
f1webberfan
Well ... my timezone is +2h GMT. Maybe like 23:00h GMT is the time I'm aiming for. I'm not sure what is that in your timezone.
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During some meeting, bring a tuned volvo and we can test the slipstreaming at the x course, how much it does at speed, after one of the meetings i could put you into #1 volvo
 
Very interested in this, been thinking about doing a BTCC/WTCC league for a few years... How will you penalise cars with a turbo compared to those without? And will you enforce the ballast penalties for winners a kin to 1st = 45kgs; 2nd = 36kgs; 3rd = 27kgs; 4th = 18kgs; 5th = 9kgs (http://www.btcc.net/html/regulations.php).

Also how does tuning work? I assume you don't want people to fully mod a car and then power limit it down to the BHP cap.
 
Fuelmyfire
Very interested in this, been thinking about doing a BTCC/WTCC league for a few years... How will you penalise cars with a turbo compared to those without? And will you enforce the ballast penalties for winners a kin to 1st = 45kgs; 2nd = 36kgs; 3rd = 27kgs; 4th = 18kgs; 5th = 9kgs (http://www.btcc.net/html/regulations.php).

Also how does tuning work? I assume you don't want people to fully mod a car and then power limit it down to the BHP cap.
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I was wondering myself about how to go about ballast penalties, if everyone would follow it because i cant see the specs they use, and the cars can be tuned however, because of the weight/hp cap, the turbo is most likely going to be used by everyone, and there are 3 to chose from, so i think it would be ok for people to tune the cars all the way, because of the regulations. I wont have 3 rounds of each race like BTCC, so would the ballast carry on throughout the season?
 
So full tune and then power limit them down to the BHP cap?

Also won't the BMW touring car have front downforce? Which none of the others have and it'll be a huge advantage. Maybe the 2litre 1 series cars would be more in line with the others? Especially seeing as they have similar levels of Power and Weight. And there is the choice between the torquey Diesel and the lighter/more powerful top end Petrol.

(Basically I really fancy the Diesel 1 series in this thing and the TC edition 3 series seems over powered ^^)

Done some scouting about the the WTCC imposes a weight penalty on rear-wheeled drive cars to the tune of 30kg. You could replicate this by imposing that you take the car to its minimum weight and then add 30kgs of ballast.

http://www.fiawtcc.com/uploads/regulation/technical-regulations.pdf Here's the pdf of all the technical rules/regs.
 
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Fuelmyfire
So full tune and then power limit them down to the BHP cap?

Also won't the BMW touring car have front downforce? Which none of the others have and it'll be a huge advantage. Maybe the 2litre 1 series cars would be more in line with the others? Especially seeing as they have similar levels of Power and Weight. And there is the choice between the torquey Diesel and the lighter/more powerful top end Petrol.

(Basically I really fancy the Diesel 1 series in this thing and the TC edition 3 series seems over powered ^^)

Done some scouting about the the WTCC imposes a weight penalty on rear-wheeled drive cars to the tune of 30kg. You could replicate this by imposing that you take the car to its minimum weight and then add 30kgs of ballast.

http://www.fiawtcc.com/uploads/regulation/technical-regulations.pdf Here's the pdf of all the technical rules/regs.
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I was wondering for quite a while of what to do with bmw as well, and the 320i touring has only 5 gears, i think all the other choices had 6, i was wondering about the premium BMW cars, but they didnt quite fit something. If people co-operate with the weight penalties, then i will use them, the 320i TC has a min weight of 1140 already, so if i can get people to up it to 1170 kg then great, but as far as i know, and in the testing sessions, my civic has been competitive against supras and rx-8's of the same weight/hp setting
 
This will be a league taking a bit of BTCC and WTCC ideas, and I dont know how well people listen when given the possibility to cheat without me knowing, if a specific team is very strong, i will probably give them wight restrictions, but i dont know if they will follow up, as i cant see what they do to their car
 
Fuelmyfire
So full tune and then power limit them down to the BHP cap?

Also won't the BMW touring car have front downforce? Which none of the others have and it'll be a huge advantage. Maybe the 2litre 1 series cars would be more in line with the others? Especially seeing as they have similar levels of Power and Weight. And there is the choice between the torquey Diesel and the lighter/more powerful top end Petrol.
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yes, and tomorrow i can do some testing with the premium BMW cars to see how they are in performance, i still do think that because the older 320i has just 5 gears and slower shifts, that it could run as is, it was a little faster than my civic, but i will see how the cars turn out

seeing that in the BTCC the base cars are sorta low priced, i might try to buy a little 320i some day :P
 
Racing little eco-boxes in race trim is always a good time. You've got ok regulations going, but I'd recommend you keep penalties off, otherwise lapped cars will turn to ghosts. And if it's on only because of the worry of track cutting, there are much bigger things to be concerned with.

Might I suggest you guys take the thread here to join us in the bustling GT5 online racing series dedicated forum area:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=258

And especially here, at the "Interest Checks & Competition Discussions" section, perfect place:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=258
 
Tips/hints:


  • the 320i Touring Car is WAY too fast for the Alfas etc.
  • Double posts are looked down upon
  • Join series, before organizing series, just so you know what you're getting into
  • Test the cars as much as possible for equivalency
  • Give more info:
  • Tires? Which ones?
  • What sort of kerb usage is okay?

I don't want to be a jerk, but, if you're only waiting 22 minutes, then posting something new, why don't you just hit "Edit" beside where it says "quote" in your previous post? The mods REALLY dislike double posts.



As for everything else, update the OP, with pictures for the chicane rules, and rules for concrete patches (at Grand Valley East, for example,) information about which tires you're allowed to use, and, should you choose to run 20 minute races with FF cars, pit rules.


Then, if the 320i touring car's too fast, may I recommend the 330i? The 330i is a great car, and is much more similar to the other cars, than the 320i Touring Car.


Anyways, this post isn't entirely a rant. I'd consider joining, should I see noticeable improvement in how the series is laid out/organized. Surely, you understand, that after creating an entire "Motorsports Association," I'd like, very much, to find organized, clean, and honest racing.


Oh, one last thing: your 1140 kg. weight rule is incorrect: the lowest weight possible on a majority of the cars you're using (excluding the Alfa Romeo & BMW 320i TC) are way above 1140 kg.

Focus ST: 1169, for example.

The Volvo, Ford, Volkswagen and Mazda, I'm sure, can't go to 1140 kg.
 
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